Stubben tree question

Last night I had the Stubben rep out. She is also an independent saddle fitter and does reflocking for any saddle. I was overall a little underwhelmed. I expected her to behave more as an independent saddle, fitter less as a Stubben rep but obviously she would like the commission so I don’t blame her and I do think it’s an option. However, she said some things that had me scratching my head a little bit, the main thing she pointed out is that it doesn’t matter if a Steuben saddle is bridging because they have a flexible tree. It was severe, maybe an inch or more of open air. Does anyone have any information or educated opinion on this comment?

Cross posted from HJ. I ride jumpers but I know Stubben are more popular in tue eventing world.

It depends how much it’s bridging. There was a post about this in a Facebook group but the bridging was severe, you could fit your whole arm under the saddle!

If it’s very minor I wouldn’t worry. Otherwise, I would have some questions.

It was at least an inch. Certainly not a whole arm, but you didn’t have to feel it you could just see daylight.

This is a common shtick with the Stubben reps and no, bridging like that is not good. Nothing against the saddles themselves, but the brand seems to use the “flexible tree” as a Get Out Of Jail Free card for any fitting issue.

There’s a thread going with a poster going through the wringer trying to get her custom Stubben to fit - it’s pretty atrocious what the brand and fitter are saying will “break in”. Personally, I would not trust a fitter associated with Stubben, though I would certainly buy a used Stubben through an independent fitter.

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I saw that thread and boy do I feel for her. If I’m going to just pile a mountain of wool trying to force a saddle to fit it better not be a brand new “custom”

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Yeah, no. That’s a schtick they trot out and it’s BS. I’ve also heard them claim it’s so the horse has room to lift his back. Nonsense.

Sure there may be some horses who didn’t read the book and prefer a slight bridge or what have you–that’s fine. That is not the goal to which we should aspire.

I would absolutely own a Stubben if I found a used one that fit but I would never work with a Stubben rep.

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You have to check with weight in the saddle. Hands down, I can flex a stubben enough to remove a1/2" of bridging just by hand. I’m sure my own weight would have even more flex. The more you ride in it, the tree does break in and for every brand new stubben that has shown up and would bridge at first look, a month or so later it doesn’t bridge at all. As someone who has seen 15+ brand new custom stubbens break in, almost every one had a slight bridge when it arrived and it was gone in a matter of weeks as everything broke in. Never had an unhappy horse with it either.

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Agree with Hawks Nest, a little bridging in a brand new Stubben will probably be ok with break in. I wouldn’t be comfortable with an inch. If you like the saddle, second hand is the way to go. Already broken in, less money and lots on the market.

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Saddle nerd and stubben user here but not affiliated with any brand and not a professional fitter. Yes stubbens are designed to bridge, slightly, it’s in their tree construction you can see their “naked” trees and the saddles flex in hand without undue effort, it is not just fancy marketing it is Avery valid and valuable design that many horses love, however, I have less faith that every fitter will respect the design and not use it as an excuse to ignore bridging issues. You should see a little bit of air when you put the saddle on, girthed up and with a rider, a correctly flocked/fitted stubben will no longer show bridging. Over an inch sounds like your fitter is relying on that design aspect too much as a bit of an excuse. It should be slight bridging, not over an inch like you are describing. When you have the saddle girthed up, do you still see air through it? Are you using any half pad? Also the spring tree is not the same as a standard flexible tree, the construction is different and materials used as well. If the flocking is new and hasn’t compressed (takes 20hrs saddle time to compress new wool panels for stubbens) it is another aspect of whether or not the saddle fits/will fit appropriately.

If she said it doesn’t matter how much the saddle bridges just because its a stubben and has a spring tree, that is wrong, if it bridges a lot, you will over flex the spring tree, compromising its integrity and more than likely create a sore back with use. It sounds like what you are describing is excessive and I would hesitate to use the saddle personally without a flocking adjustment to minimize the bridging to an appropriate amount if the rest of the saddle works. I do not know how foam panels on a stubben work with their spring tree, I have experience only with wool panels which change and foam won’t, I would imagine if the panels are foam you would want even less/if any bridging than what is acceptable in a wool panel saddle. I hope this helps and you get your question answered!

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This inch plus was before girthing up. It was a demo saddle so probably broken in but certainly not flocked specifically for my horse. I am only looking at wool because he clearly needs some more customization. My biggest concern with the comment is more like “do I trust this woman to fit a brand new custom saddle for me?”. I do believe we could make a Stubben that would fit him, but I’m feeling quite suspicious of this fitter

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If you do decided to order a custom saddle through her, document every recommendation for every fit related detail, confirming via a text so you have it to show people if needed and it is a great way to get that without coming across as a wierdo. just be like oh before I confirm the purchase I just want to understand we will be going with… and list all the details/specs on the saddle order and get her to confirm that back with a yes or whatever before you go ahead. you can say after the fitting that you just want to think about it for a day and get back to her. As far as I know, but you should confirm what the warranty policy on a custom saddle fit is with Stubbens customer service not your rep, Stubben will cover any necessary adjustments or fitting changes after the fact if you can show the decision to chose X was from the fitter if she is a certified Stubben fitter, which I assume she is. You can also go to the Facebook groups and look at Stubben’s used inventory, they come with a 10 day trial I think. It’s ok to say, you are really only looking for a used saddle right now after consideration and can she help you find one that will be the best fit. If she isn’t willing to help you fid a used saddle or isn’t ok with confirming specs on an order, do not proceed with her. There are resources out there for trying used saddles, Liberty Saddles comes to mind also, and with Stubben if you know your horses tree size and ideal model, it’s pretty simple. Ultimately it is up to you, check out what you have for support if the fit goes totally wrong on a custom so you don’t throw away money