Swiss Federation bans draw reins at show jumping competitions

[QUOTE=MsRidiculous;8384356]
Somehow the eventers and dressage folks have managed to survive without being able to use draw reins at competitions, I’m sure the jumper riders will live through the experience as well.[/QUOTE]

This isn’t the point. The point is Switzerland caving to social media, driven by animal rights people (can’t tell me they aren’t behind this somewhere). Almost anything used around horses can be abusive in the wrong hands. In the wrong hands, grain can kill or cripple a horse - should that be banned? There is definitely a slippery slope issue at play here.

Lots of heads in the sand here. Explains why US jumper riders are supporting NYCLASS.

Hahaha I’ll be at an international show this coming week. I’ll make sure and tell those riders their fei horses need to “listen better”.

[QUOTE=BaroquePony;8383937]
Draw reins can make a mess of the horse if not used properly and normally that means early on in correcting a horse until they begin to work correct over the back.[/QUOTE]

This is true. I for one, cannot count the number of times a GP horse has been ruined by using draw reins in the VG.

[/sarcasm off] #eyeshurtagain

I find it so hilarious how these threads always come back to pros who can’t ride and who need to properly train their horses. I would love to see someone sit on the backs of some of these horses and show us all just how that is done.

I do get that there are undoubtedly issues around abuse and negligence in the sport. There are people who treat horses in a manner that breaks the rules, and that should most definitely be addressed. So I am not suggesting that people are not entitled to an opinion.

HOWEVER, many horses at the highest levels are fire breathing dragons on a good day. There is a reason they are being ridden by pros. They are hot, fractious, and opinionated. These are often the qualities that make them a competitive international show horse - but are not easy to manage. Often it is not about ‘holes’ but rather trying to manage an animal that most people could not even sit on.

So, basically , the Swiss are considered morons in this decision? I find that highly unlikely …

[QUOTE=toady123;8384521]
I find it so hilarious how these threads always come back to pros who can’t ride and who need to properly train their horses. I would love to see someone sit on the backs of some of these horses and show us all just how that is done.[/QUOTE]

Clearly, the problem is that the top professional riders haven’t read enough books by the Klassikal Masters! :winkgrin:

no, they just need to train their horses better!:lol:

[QUOTE=BaroquePony;8384538]
So, basically , the Swiss are considered morons in this decision? I find that highly unlikely …[/QUOTE]

Hey, nobody (even the omnipotent Swiss) is exempt from making decisions which suffered through the lens of hindsight, and a decision which does absolutely nothing for the overall welfare of the horse, but panders to public perception may be one such example. Lipstick on a pig is the thought that comes to my mind.

If they banned draw reins from the warm up, that would be one thing. I mean sure, there is still all that “abuse” happening at home, so no, they really aren’t changing it “for the better” for the horse (if one assumes draw reins are abuse), but at least they are eliminating any training with draw reins in a public venue. But by eliminating them from a place where the only purpose they serve is for the safety of the horse/rider… yeah, I’m going to go out on a ledge and say this could be perhaps a tiny bit more well thought out.

But hey, there’s always the substitute horse, like the one Kent is riding in today’s COTH photos, so I suppose no harm, no foul. But that still doesn’t make it the most well thought out decision handed down by a country federation, even the Swiss.

Are horses being ridden by the world’s best in draw reins suffering and abused? Probably not.

But this is a spectator sport. 99.99% of horse riders and owners are not capable of jumping around a GP track, or riding a GP horse. But hey, we’d all like to be. So let’s watch the pros really closely, and learn what we can. If they do it, it must be a good idea.

(Funny how everyone says that draw-reins (etc) are like razor-blades in the hands of monkeys, but no-one ever thinks that they’re the monkey).

Before we all jump on the band-wagon of “people outside the sport don’t know what they’re on about”, let’s remember why we do this. People who sore gaited horses tell us we don’t know what we’re on about, as do people who bleed western pleasure horses, drug show hunters, and so on.

I’m not sure that the ban is useful, but let’s take the opportunity to reconsider what we deem acceptable in this sport. It’s silly to say that top-level jumpers need to learn how to ride, or need to train their horses better. But it’s also silly to give them carte blanche simply because we could never hope to ride that well.

You do see draw reins used more like a standing martingale, loose until the horse’s head gets quite high. But you also see them used (by good riders and bad) to actively hold the head very low, with heavy flexion on the neck, and little opportunity for the horse to see in front of themselves. The first instance I am comfortable with not calling abusive. The second starts to blur the lines for me.

Posted by jhg140:

I just think its somewhat ironic that we tend to bemoan the state of American riding and hold up the Europeans as the epitome of what we should aspire to in sport, and now here we are saying good on the Swiss for telling (mostly) European riders no draw reins, since the Europeans can’t ride.

I may be going out on a limb here, but I would hazard a guess that if Steve Guerdat is using draw reins to warm up a horse, he has a reason for it.

The Europeans have their own problems … which stems from a different use of the seat in having a strong enough seat that they could essentially have the strength to pull a horse’s chin to his chest … I was in the RK is abuse camp.

Fyi at shows the warm up is something completely separate from schooling at the show. Warm up is directly before a class. Draw reins could still be used in public, just not by a competitor in the warm up going into a class. As I said earlier, it is not common to see horses in draws in the paddock at two shows. At all. National shoes you’ll see a few in the paddock, but not at all common at international shoes. Again please note there is a distinction between the paddock/warm up and any other riding in the show grounds ie schooling and hacking.

Fyi at shows the warm up is something completely separate from schooling at the show. Warm up is directly before a class. Draw reins could still be used in public, just not by a competitor in the warm up going into a class. As I said earlier, it is not common to see horses in draws in the paddock at fei shows. At all. National shows you’ll see a few in the paddock, but not at all common at international shows. Again please note there is a distinction between the paddock/warm up and any other riding on the show grounds ie schooling and hacking.

I’ve used draw reins on a few horses. The last one was an evil minded sob and I needed them for a while to stay alive. Always used in a way that when he was good, they were not affecting him. But I’ve also seen abuses, and I’ve wondered why people would jump with them, since I always thought a horse should be able to use his head over the top.

[QUOTE=Pennywell Bay;8384390]

No snark, just curious when the last time you had a VG, with a huge ribbon, flowing cooler and perhaps a rosette as you galloped around a stadium?[/QUOTE]

The Rolex competitors manage to do it. Image after image of horses in coolers and ribbons waving. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2F_Or682YY

[QUOTE=Pennywell Bay;8384390]

No snark, just curious when the last time you had a VG, with a huge ribbon, flowing cooler and perhaps a rosette as you galloped around a stadium?[/QUOTE]

August, and many times before that.

I read an interview with Laura Kraut that she rides Cedric in draw reins a lot because he’s really spooky and it help keep him a little bit more focused. Especially in victory gallops and the like.

I think it’s dumb to ban them. Then again, people think supershorty’s rubber mouth hackabit that she uses on her mare is cruel so…

[QUOTE=Small Change;8384268]
Yeah, that grey horse Milton was competing just a few years ago when he was wearing them for presentations. But then I think anyone would agree he was also an unschooled rogue being sat on by an incompetent rider. All the old school guys way back when never would have used them, it’s totally a new thing. ;)[/QUOTE]

He was notorious for rearing at presentations! I read somewhere that John Whitaker couldn’t take him into the ring for a presentation without them or Milton would go straight up on his hind legs. They were definitely warranted! I believe there are some pictures showing his antics in the biography about Milton. Still my all time favourite show jumper :love-struck:

I really don’t buy the “we need them because cooler and ribbons and crowds and stuff” argument. Those horses are able to focus on a super technical course amidst flag waving, screaming crowds. I think they should be able to handle a Victory gallop.

I see dressage riders and eventers do their gallops without draw reins. I think they have a purpose but don’t belong at shows. JMO.

If Milton reared then I’m guessing somewhere along the line someone let him … not saying it was Whitaker, but, really, that is considered a bad habit.

Bert DeNemethy rode almost every horse in draw reins (to the billets, not to the belly). The master himself.