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[ERC]

Cold Laser Therapy

Cold Laser or LLLT is one of the best kept secrets in the equine industry. We use it on a daily basis for a myriad of conditions.
My FEI horse pulled a suspensory last Jan, we used laser and stall rest as protocol, instead of 6 months off , Ultrasound found him 100% at 3 months, back to work no issues. ( may I also say he’s 19 and going strong)
Laser is amazing for sore back SI and hip issues.
unrelated to horses, I myself suffer from speratic mouth ulcers. Dr say there is nothing I can do just let them run the course of 10 days. They are so pain full that a person can not eat or speak while they are active. I had heard that cats were being treated with LLLT for a similar problem. I went to my dentist and asked him about laser treatments for myself. He did the first treatment on 4 ulcers and within a day they were gone.
Since then I use my laser at the first sign of an out break, because lasers stimulate cell regeneration, it actually fast forwards the healing cycle. No more problems.
We have many case studies that we have documented on horses about LLLT. While not scientific they are anecdotal, but for myself and the horses owners that I have worked on that seems to be enough.
We here at M.A.E.R.C . use the Grady P 3000 medical vet laser.
Please feel free to PM, if you would like web site link and further information on treatments and protocols.

As far as cost the range can be $2500 to $25000. Its not about price but the amount of joules and the mW. You should be able to get a good laser somewhere in the price range of 2-4K, and be very happy with results.

[tollertwins]

Cold lasers are FDA approved for use in humans for tennis elbow and a couple other things, I think.

I have the terraquant solo I use on me - currently for a nerve issue related to a hip replacement. Nerve starts getting zingy -laser shuts it up.

[Arelle]

Used this one on my horse to attempt to speed healing on a quarter crack, loved it!

http://laserstim.net/

I definitely can see use of alternative therapies in medicine, cold lasers are no exception.

[Lieslot]

But again the treatment areas are so tiny with those examples, I just wouldn’t have the time to go over all the areas I’d need to address.

Say you have a known suspensory or tendon lesion and you know exactly where it is located, it makes a lot of sense to target that specificially and those $3K lasers most likely will do a perfect job at that.
But I need the entire hindend done in a couple of goes.
Chiro did 10mins left side of hindend and then same for right side. You could see the beam covering his body from top to bottom.

[cyberbay]

OP… I’ve used the cold laser in past 6 weeks or so on my horse, and I think I’ve seen a real difference. So, given the # of good posts, vs. “I used it and saw 0 diff.” posts… Honestly, if not so $$, I’d buy one in a flash.

D’wave- I mean, we all know you are a person of science, but did it ever just maybe occur to you, just maybe, that science and medicine are simply, badly lagging on all the topics that don’t yet have studies to show? I mean, sometimes you sound so superstitious. Just b/c it hasn’t been ‘scientifically studied and proven’ it can’t be real, right?

I mean, when your older, arthritic patients come in and are complain how the change in weather (a phenomenon science has yet to be able to understand) is aggravating their arthritis, do you poo-poo and tell them to look at that cartoon page of yours?

I’m going to start using this cold-laser doohicky on myself, 'cause my elbow bugs me these days.

[foggybok]

[QUOTE=Lieslot;6181465]
Yes, that’s what I concluded in the end. I can’t afford the $13k one, so a $26k one is sure out of my range :lol:.

Horse is over 18hh & the chiro used hers to address his entire pelvic area, she managed to do so with her device in one go, the smaller $3k devices only seem able to deal with small areas. I could use a smaller device on his suspensories, but it’s not what I want.
So for now I stopped the search, because in that pricerange it’s a no-no :(.[/QUOTE]

yeah, for personal use, you are better off paying her to come out when needed…

[Plumcreek]

So now I am confused. My horse was treated tonight and it was an Electromagnetic Pulsed Therapy, P3 machine. Equi Pulse. She said it was about $20K. to buy. Really made the muscles jump, and the horses reacted to the problem spots I knew, and seemed to like it. My neighbor works for a human Chiro, and she says they use a P4 and called it a ‘Cold Laser’. How do these two treatments differ?

[ERC]

Difference between P3 and P4

Its my understanding that the P3 electro magnetic machine is totally different from a cold laser. The P3 works on energy field and muscle stimulation something like TENS.
The P4 laser you were talking about is a cold laser two totally different modalitites.
Cold laser can have many different classifications from 1 to 3b is considered cold. Once you get into class 4 lasers they become hot ( or a t least have the ability to heat tissues) you really need to know what you are doing when using a Class 4 laser.

Hope this helps.

www.midatlanticequinerehabcenter.com

Laser is the best kept secret in the equine industry.

[retrofit]

How are the cold lasers referenced above different from this cheap-o model?
http://www.lightrelief.com/

[Snoball_1]

Not to change topics, but can any of you comment on MagnaWave PEMF therapy ?? A practitioner in my area is really impressed with the results and wants me to give it a try on my horse.

Sounds a lot like Equipulse P3 ?? Any one using it feel it worth or not worth trying ?? General muscle stiffness is what we’d be treating, and this therapist didn’t feel actual massage was needed, but something “deeper” at a cellular level ?
Don’t want to throw away $100 on a worthless modality, but I’m open minded too.

This practitioner also offers cold laser, but in my past experience with CL, I never saw any dramatic improvements…

[ERC]

retrofit: The difference in the class 1 to 3b lasers and the liter relief you are talking about is the amount of energy expounded by the laser.
The lite relief is more for just superficial stimulation, ( nothing wrong with that)
The other lasers are intended for more specific depth penetration depending on
what issues you are trying to address.

www.midatlanticequinerehabcenter.com

[StrawberryFrosted]

Still confused!

After reading all the posts in this tread, I’m still confused on the difference between Cold Laser, Low level laser therapy, photonic light therapy and red light therapy.

I have read up on the McLaren Photonic Light, Revitavet’s website and I am still confused!

[clt209]

Cold laser therapy for vets: https://theralase.com/companionanimal/

[cavecreek]

I’ve had some experience with laser therapy for soft tissue injuries, and I wanted to mention the HEALIX Questrian Horse Laser . It’s honestly been a game-changer for me—it’s way more affordable than the $7,500 clinic lasers but still offers 11 custom vet-designed programs that target injuries really effectively.

What I love is that it’s portable, so I can use it at home without needing to book tons of clinic visits. It’s been great for reducing inflammation and speeding up healing for my horse. If anyone is considering laser therapy, I’d definitely recommend checking it out—here’s the link to learn more It’s been worth every penny for us!