Talk to me about Standard Poodles please!

On my other thread I asked which dogs might be suitable for me. You guys were excellent at coming up with suggestions, and I got a lot of suggestions for a standard poodle. While I’m not 100% sure that I want this breed (or cross), they do seem to hit pretty much everything I want!

*smart and trainable
*high energy but not completely nuts
*low shedding
*protective
*people oriented
*big
*able to go off leash

So I think I’ve found my match!

But now I’d like to know more about the breed, specifically things like, are they big eaters? Health concerns? Negative breed traits to watch out for?

I did some research on my own and I found out that Poodles tend to have a fair amount of health issues such as eye and digestive issues. They have an average to long lifespan for a large dog (12-15 years), and are very playful, bouncy, and fun. They are water retrievers and very smart/trainable, however some seem to be hyperactive or neurotic.

So anyone care to share their experiences with standard poodles?

Also, PLEASE mention any good rescues that they know of. I think most rescues (even breed specific which are apparently very hard to adopt from) would have a hard time turning me down (I hope!). I have a fenced in yard, time to spare, experience with the breed (limited though), and large breed experience. I’m located in SE PA. I’ve looked on Petfinder and haven’t come up with many results.

I’m looking for:
*less than 2 years of age (might go up a year or 2 for the “perfect” dog)
*MALE ONLY
*preferably dark colored
*no preexisting health concerns

Thanks everyone!

no direct experience here but my mom had one growing up and she was a lovely smart sweet dog but unfortunately as she got older she developed so extremely neurotic behavior and had to be put down, my grandma thinks that it was the sire that passed that trait as another family member had a poodle from the same sire different dam and had to put theirs down as well

however they loved that dog and putting her down tore up the whole family

I do know someone that has a min poodle and man those guys are a trip they are sweet and funny, I also know someone with a toy and she is also very sweet

There use to be a steward for Arabian shows that would bring her standard poodle to shows with her and he would just hang around and mind his own business and not bother anyone, he was a cool dog

if it wasn’t for the constant haircuts I would look into one they are smart and sweet and love their people

private message sent :slight_smile:

We have 3 standard poodles. We do have MPS (Multiple Poodle Syndrom!).

They are AMAZING dogs. Mine are so smart and great with everyone and every animal. They dont shed!!!

The BIGGEST thing with a poodle is burning energy. They arnt as bad as something like an Australian Shepard but they do have energy. I dont walk my dogs ever but they play outside for a good hour a day in the winter and a MIN of 3 hours during the summer. Mine are couch dwellers all the rest of the time hahahah

LOVE THEM!!

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On my other thread I asked which dogs might be suitable for me. You guys were excellent at coming up with suggestions, and I got a lot of suggestions for a standard poodle. While I’m not 100% sure that I want this breed (or cross), they do seem to hit pretty much everything I want!

*smart and trainable
*high energy but not completely nuts
*low shedding
*protective
*people oriented
*big
*able to go off leash

So I think I’ve found my match!

But now I’d like to know more about the breed, specifically things like, are they big eaters? Health concerns? Negative breed traits to watch out for?

I did some research on my own and I found out that Poodles tend to have a fair amount of health issues such as eye and digestive issues. They have an average to long lifespan for a large dog (12-15 years), and are very playful, bouncy, and fun. They are water retrievers and very smart/trainable, however some seem to be hyperactive or neurotic.

So anyone care to share their experiences with standard poodles?

Also, PLEASE mention any good rescues that they know of. I think most rescues (even breed specific which are apparently very hard to adopt from) would have a hard time turning me down (I hope!). I have a fenced in yard, time to spare, experience with the breed (limited though), and large breed experience. I’m located in SE PA. I’ve looked on Petfinder and haven’t come up with many results.

I’m looking for:
*less than 2 years of age (might go up a year or 2 for the “perfect” dog)
*MALE ONLY
*preferably dark colored
*no preexisting health concerns

Thanks everyone![/QUOTE]

Contact every poodle breeder in your area!! Most responsible breeders have ‘free’ returns on dogs they have bred OR they know of ones that need good homes. The great thing is with poodles is I find they carry less ‘baggage’ as other breds. If you treat your 1st day with them and the beggining of their new life they are happy to play along!! All 5 of the poodles we have had were rescues. There call back is easy to teach so dont worry about getting one with NO training. They are EASY to train with love :slight_smile:

I covet them!
Only input I have :stuck_out_tongue:

We rarely see poodles here for orthopedic surgery; but they do tend to have ophthalmic issues it seems. Are they tempermented like labs in that color has a stereotype? I am just making a GENERAL observation that the blacks have had the best temperaments out of the ones I’ve interacted with.

Someone on my FB recently acquired a standard black female and I so desperately want to squeeze it to death.

I have never had one, but all the ones I’ve met have been WONDERFUL dogs! They are so friendly, and apparently very smart. Very happy! I think they need a job - they are retrieving dogs, I believe? I have no use for the psychotic miniature ones, but I love the big standards.

I love Standard Poodles so I warn you in advance this response may be heavily prejudiced in their favor LOL! I currently have a 4 year old dark blue Standard Poodle bitch. She is the 3rd one I’ve owned over the years. I’m very into performance and we do all kinds of things - obedience, rally, agility, lure coursing, we’ve got our herding instinct certificate, etc. I hope to get into tracking at some point in the future as well. I don’t do any water work with my girl, she loves to romp at the beach and through ponds, etc. but is not big on swimming, chest deep is where she stops haha! However, there are a number of people that do title their poodles in hunt/trial work. Standards do tend to have a fairly long life span, my prior girls lived to 13 1/2 and 16 and I know many who have lived into their teens. They are bouncy and fun for the most part, and quite people oriented, at least most of the ones I’ve known. The Standards can tend to sometimes be kind of silly/goofy too which is fine with me, but if you like a more serious dog you may not like that aspect of their personalities. I’ve not known too many Standards to be hyperactive or neurotic, have seen that more with the smaller poodles. I find them fairly active/high energy dogs, though as pointed out, not border collie active. Most breeders do some kind of temperament testing and other evaluations on their litters and if you wanted one of the quieter pups you could make that known. I worked with my breeder to get one of the highest drive pups in the litter since I was looking for a performance dog. We have various training classes at night during the week. I take mine on a nice walk early in the morning before I leave for work and I have a dog walker that comes in every day around lunch to take her on another walk (when she was younger I had the dog walker in 2x daily). I have a small yard by many people’s standards on this board, but it’s fenced and big enough for her to run around in a bit, chase her ball, etc. Most weekends we go on long runs in the fields by me and often some other friends from dog training classes get together at one or another’s houses and have “doggie play dates” where all the dogs can run.

Health issues - Like all breeds, spoos have certain health problems. Bloat can be an issue, you would want to check with the breeder to see if there have been dogs in the line who have had incidences of it. And if you plan to spay/neuter as you should if the dog is not going to prove itself in either the breed or performance ring and then pass all health tests, many breeders recommend a prophylactic gastropexy be done at that time. It will not prevent bloat, but should prevent torsion and buy extra time in getting to the vet.

Most responsible breeders test for hips (OFA or Pennhip), many do elbows as well, eyes (CERF), SA, vWB, cardio, and often thyroid panels and/or other blood tests and DNA for NE. Some also for JRD. You can go to the PCA (Poodle Club of America) web site and look at the section on health issues. Looks like a lot of things, but don’t let it scare you off, just a listing of all possible health issues that have been seen in the breed at some point - you could go to any breed national club website and find just as long and varied a list for issues in that particular breed.

Very low shedding, but you have higher grooming requirements. I used to groom professionally at one time and do my own dog. You could certainly learn to do a basic groom on your dog, but if you are not willing to do so, you will need to pay for grooming which can get pricy.

Sorry for the novel, just trying to give you a thorough picture from my experiences.

Cheers,

Diane and Fallon
ARCHX, RL1X, RL2X Calisun Night Flight, CDX, RE, NA, NF, OAJ, CD-C, RL3, CL1,
CL2-F, CL2-S, CL3-F, HIC, CGC, VCX

That is our family dog I grew up with!

They are so smart, loving, great family dogs. So easy to housebreak, I used to make her jump over all sorts of things (dreams of agility, at age 12 lol). She is protective but extremely warm to everyone as well, she lets you know someone is coming but I would never have counted on her to actually go after someone for entering the house, honestly.

I would classify them as active more so than high energy. I don’t see them as hyper or destructive, but they will go all day if you’d let them. I absolutely love the breed and since my SO is allergic to dogs… I am desperately trying to convert him! Get one, you won’t regret it!

Well I was one who weighed in the other thread.

I have a fair amount of experience with standard poodles, since I was born we have almost always had one in our family. Also my family owned a grooming shop so we groomed lots of poodles of all sizes. I will say I have rarely met a standard that didn’t have a good temperament-not saying they aren’t out there but rare to find.

Currently I have a male standard and my sister has 2 standards both males, all neutered. They obviously vary in temperament but in general

Pros
-love people, other dogs, kids, cats, good with horses
-tend to be less dominant with other dogs so in my poodle’s case he tends to get bullied a bit
-good off lead, obedient (but all have had training, classes, etc)
-they all have happy, go lucky attitudes, kinda goofy, sometimes my guy acts spacey but when I am training he is very quick to pick up on things
-versatile-ours have been or are currently used for grooming competitions, rally, obedience, agility, conformation, etc
-high energy, will go hiking, swimming, etc but they have an off button (unlike my belgian shepards!)

Cons
-they can be mouthy. I solve this by giving my guy a tennis ball (obsessed!) but this can be an issue around kids
-they can have health problems (covered well above)
-don’t shed but need regular grooming. I tend to clip my guy down to 1/2" to 1" so he is low maintanence at the barn, etc

Definitely contact breeders to see if they have a dog that been rehomed. Check craigslist, rescues, etc.

We have had standard poodles my entire life. I’d recommend buying from breeders who test for hips, usually show breeders.

Some of the litter will be ‘show’ quality, some ‘pet’ quality. But either way, the hips of both parents/grandparents/ggparents/etc. have been certified as good or excellent if they are show dogs. The ‘pet’ quality dogs are about half the price of the shows but you won’t get the hip problems other breeders may throw.

About 40% of Standard Poodles have hip displasia by age 2 so can’t jump up on your bed, climb stairs, etc. w/o pain. Make sure the papers have the hips certified ‘good’ or ‘excellent’ for all bloodlines & generations.

Great dogs and if I didn’t have kids, I’d have a housefull of standard poodles!

The breeder I buy from is very perticular about who they sell to: 1) must have owned a St Poo before and know the hair/grooming upkeep, and 2) must have at least one adult home at all times…the dogs will get depressed and may pick up bad habits if left alone for long periods of time.

I would also add not to board them at a dog kennel. They are too smart and emotional and don’t sleep or rest well at kennels; it’s better to have a person call on them at home during vacations.

The sizes vary too depending on your location, the East and West coast Std Poos can be 60-90 lbs, the ones in the south and mid-west are 40-60 lbs. I favor the lighter ones from 45-55 lbs. They are just right.

You will love them, they are super dogs.

Poodles are awesome!

The health problems are typically PRA (progressive retinal atrophy) and some joint issues. The bigger ones seem to actually have fewer joint (knees in particular) issues than the smaller ones. They also tend to get ear infections quite easily. Combat this by keeping the ears clean and dry - though some individuals just seem to get terrible ones no matter what their owners do.

They probably eat an average amount for a dog that size/activity level. My mini eats nearly twice as much as my parents’ mini, but you have the difference between a 1.5yo farm dog and a 7yo city dog.

Negative breed traits? They’re smart dogs and can get bored easily. However, if you set clear rules and give the dog something to do, they’re great. They have quite a bit of energy, but as long as they get some exercise, they are usually content to hang out and chill in the house.

I’d contact breeders in your area. Go on the Poodle Club of America’s website and click on your state. There should also be a link to poodle rescue in your state. I know a LOT of breeders will show and finish males, but don’t always want to keep them long term. My boy’s breeder does that frequently. She wants females to keep and ultimately breed, but she’ll keep particularly nice males to show too. Once they’re finished, she’ll place the boys in pet homes. She often just gives them away or charges very little. You might look into something like that. Even if you don’t want a retired show dog, a lot of poodle breeders are at least in some way connected to rescues. Some do it kind of on an unofficial basis, where they’ll just take in a dog and find it a better home.

I don’t know if you can convince the folks here in Indianapolis to work with you or not (they require home visits, but you may be able to get a rescue group local to you to do the home visit), but they have a darling 6mo red boy right now.

My family has had poodles for years. I finally had my very own after I was married and home with the kids. We had to put her down in Sept. and I miss her every day.

A standard poodle is the best dog you can have. They are protective and loyal. Will walk for hours with you or keep you company in bed all day if you are sick.

They are so smart and very protective of “their” children. I never had to put Snuggles (my DD was 3 and insisted on that name) on a leash and she was invited into stores all the time. She would always rather ride along in the car and wait rather than be left at home.

I’m also in SE PA and can give you the name of a good poodle rescue worker. I’m still mourning my girl or I would be calling her myself. I’m just not quite ready.

Yes, the ears have hair in them and need to be pulled every so often. Just ask your groomer to show you how. The groomers will do it but occasionally, you need to check and do it too if needed.

It’s not hard to do but if you don’t do it, they can get a yeast infection in their ear; it has a particular smell and is gone as soon as the excess hair/wax/etc is out of there. Buy ear powder and only use it to remove the hair (either by hand or blunt tweezers).

I typically remove all hair on the underside of the ear and around the canal, just so the air can keep it fresh and from forming ear yeast infections.

They have so much hair on the outside of the ear ‘leathers’ that they really don’t need much on the underside of the ear unless you are in a very cold area where they will be turned out in snow/cold.

Because they do have long hair in their paws, they were used in the Iditarod Dog Sled Races for a period of time:
http://thepoodleanddogblog.typepad.com/the_poodle_and_dog_blog/2008/02/poodles-in-the.html

http://home.gci.net/~poodlesleddog/

But Std Poos have webbed paws which are not good for sled racing so are now banned from the sport.

I do know a friend who’s Std Poo is his bear hunting dog and loves his job and loves the snow!

My impression is that poodles as a breed are actually quite healthy compared to a lot of large dog breeds. Here’s a link which should give you a starting place: http://www.poodle-place.com/poodlehealth.htm

My pair are between 55 and 60 pounds each right now. The smaller one maintains his weight on roughly 3 to 3 1/2 cups of high quality kibble per day; the other one is a little more active and needs 3 1/2 to 4. We adjust the amounts depending on activity and snacks. One of my friends has a very active poodle which needs 4+ cups per day to keep weight on. I spread the food out over two meals per day. I’ve heard that overly large meals increase the chances of bloat, so I try not to give more than two cups of food per meal. (Dunno if this helps, but I figure it can’t hurt.)

Regarding behavioral quirks, my guys and their best buddy poodle friend all like to hold your hand. They will walk up to you, gently take your hand in their mouth, and walk next to you still holding your hand if you leave. I try to discourage this hand holding behavior, as people who don’t know them get scared when the dog “bites” their hand. The poodles also like to playfully peck other animals with their snouts, like a chicken pecking another bird. My guys will sometimes substitute a poke with a paw instead of a peck with the snout. Smaller dogs can find this pecking and poking rather frightening.

My guys have developed a fairly intimidating bark and charge routine at the door. My husband wishes they would tone it down a bit. As I’m not a particularly intimidating person myself, I don’t mind if the dogs do Cujo imitations when strangers walk up to the house.

One of my guys has always been a little wussy around strange dogs. As a puppy he would scream, tuck tail, and run. Now that he’s an adult he gets very yappy with strangers; he seems to think the best defense is a good offence. I’ve had good results with holding back the wussy dog while the braver one sniffs butts and makes introductions. Once the brave one is satisfied the situation is ok, the wussy one calms down.

The poodles I’ve known have all been really interested in interacting with their people. This trait is both good and bad. My guys really care what I think and want to do the Right Thing. For instance, they know the boundaries of my front yard and know it is a Bad Thing to leave the yard. The other day one of them let a ball roll down the driveway and across the street. I told them to stay and then walked over to get the ball. They wanted to be with me, and they wanted the ball, but they also wanted to do the Right Thing. They stayed at the edge of the yard watching me until I brought the ball back.

The bad side of their sociability is that they NEED to be part of the family and NEED attention. The current American trend of sticking the dog in a crate for 22 hours a day while the family does other things is not going to work with a poodle. I suspect my wussy dog would have developed some separation anxiety issues if he had been an only dog living with a family too busy to give him attention. Fortunately, he’s always got the companionship of our other dog or one of his humans.

I never wanted a poodle. Silly-looking dogs. A co-worker wanted to get a dog, her first-ever pet. Something for security since her husband worked out of town. I tried to get her to get a doberman (my favorite breed), but no - our Chief Financial Officer had two standard poodles, so that’s all she’d do.

I went with her one Friday afternoon to the breeder’s to pick up a 4 month old puppy. This pup had been returned by her first home because she was too rambunctious for their two year old.m You think??? My co-worker was a little intimidated at first, but that was the sweetest puppy ever. She came back to the office and laid down in the corner of my coworker’s cubicle and was perfect. Not a peep, not an accident. The CFO came over and fell in love. I went home with my coworker to set up the crate I’d loaned her and get the puppy settled in.

The next day my friend called me (7:00 on a Saturday morning!) “The dog has to go! She’s following me everywhere!” I said, "You’re all she has in this world now. Your everything to her. “Well she’s got to go. I can’t have this dog trailing after constantly. Will you take her back for me?” I told her she needed to take the dog back to the breeder, not me. The CFO heard about it and called the breeder twice to try to buy the puppy, but the breeder refused to sell, saying she’d flunked out of two homes, she’d probably just keep her as a kennel dog. Meanwhile, I couldn’t get that darling dog out of my mind. Finally, a week later I called her. She said “I’ve been waiting for your call.” The breeder gave her to me, she said she knew from the minute I walked into her house she was my dog.

Maggie’s about 9 years old now. She’s still as sweet and athletic as she ever was. She’s endlessly enthusiastic. She’s a great, great dog.

I think an ideal dog would be a doberman/St poodle cross.

StG

I forgot to say — my Mini Poodle is a therapy dog! She rocks at it! She loves going on visits! I feel like there isn’t anything a poodle can’t do! No matter what size it is! :slight_smile:

I’d check out these guys. They breed RED poodles hunting poodles!!!
http://www.redhuntingpoodles.com/

We are currently on Standard Poodles #2 and 3. Our first was from Poodle Rescue. We adopted him when he was 6. Charlie was black ,and he was perfect, but he had two major health problems. A condition called masticatory myositis which caused him to have problems opening his jaws, and bladder stones which necessitated two surgeries. He finally died from cancer (not a treatable form) only 4.5 years after we adopted him. We were devastated.

We didn’t plan to get another dog, but within a month, we realized that our family was a bit empty without a poodle. Although none of Charlie’s issues were common for SPoo’s, we decided to get a puppy from a reputable breeder. We purchased a puppy whose dam and sire had been tested out the wazoo. Kobe is white and a wonderful dog. He is a bit shy, despite the fact that we socialized him a lot, but it mostly shows in that he takes bit to warm up to strangers. After a bit with new people, he is fine. The family joke is that he is a momma’s boy. He adores me, and I him. I have been playing at agility with him since he was a year old. He has an amazing hang-time jump. He is a bit nervous on the contacts, especially the teeter. He has a sensitive stomach, and we have to be careful with diet changes. He seems to have issues with allergies on certain foods. He did have a problem with his hips, but that seemed to be due to getting blind sided when playing roughly with poodle number 3. OTherwise, he seems very healthy. He is three now.

When my kids left for college, Kobe was only two, and he was lonely. We couldn’t get a puppy because rambunctious Kobe had way too much energy for a little one, and we wanted a dog old enough for him to play with. We contacted the women from whom we had gotten Charlie, and she found Mac for us. He was 10 months old when we adopted him. He is an apricot. He was a puppy that a widow with three kids bought from a pet store. He was from a puppy mill, had terrible manners (still can be a bit of a rogue at times), counter surfed, jumped on people, pulled on the leash, way too much dog for the family, but he was one of the sweetest dogs that I have ever met. He melts into you. Loves everyone. Being from a puppy mill, his tail was cropped too short. I call him Stubbins because his little stub is always wagging. He can eat anything–must be the puppy mill iron stomach. He does have a slightly crooked front leg. For that reason, I never planned to do agility with him. He had other plans. After doing two obedience classes and an intro agility class with my husband, we figured he was done with classes. He tried to sneak out with me and Kobe on class night. I finally signed him up for a class, and he was a natural. He is fast, fast, fast. He loves the contacts. It is too funny. My agility teacher says that he is channeling an advanced agility dog.

So how do we maintain them:

Have to do the ears. Especially Mac’s, need to pluck the ears monthly if not more often. Have to clean (with ear cleaning solution) them once - twice a week.

I clip them naked once a month. I have the Andis AGC super two speed and use a 7 blade everywhere but the top of the head. I have a cordless Moser Arco that I use for face, feet, and tail. If I keep the feet shaved close, the mud doesn’t get caught in them. We have a spray attachment that we attach to the shower head to bathe them. By doing it all at home, I save about $120 dollars a month across both dogs.

As for your questions:

*smart and trainable–oh yes, most deifnitely.

*high energy but not completely nuts-we talk about how our dogs can be couch potatoes in the house, but have tons of energy outside the house.

*low shedding-no shedding-I have asthma.

*protective- I am working on a more rapid "off"when strangers come to the door. As it is, the UPS and Fedex guys hate stopping here.

*people oriented- They LOVE people.

*big - Ours are about 54 pounds each. 24"-26" at the shoulder.

*able to go off leash-Charlie and Kobe yes, Mac not yet. Agility is helping to make the recalls better, but when he gets loose, he takes off. He does finally come to us once he had run through several neighbor’s yards. We joke that poodles understand what you are saying, they sometimes just choose not to listen to you.

I cannot recommend Poodles enough. IMHO, they are not like Golden Retrievers. The Goldens in my classes will turn themselves inside out to please their owners. Our poodles choose to work with us. And sometimes, they choose not to. My job is to motivate them and make it exciting enough to work with us. When I do a good job, they are right on board.

As though I didn’t write enough, I forgot to add, ours get 1-1/4 cups Acana Ranchlands AM and PM (2.5 cups total) and a scoop of wet AM and PM.