Teaching an adult dog to leave cats alone?

A friend of mine recently took in an Australian Shepard that was in a less than ideal situation. The dog is about 3 years old, very sweet and of course very smart. He gets along great with her senior lab.

She has two cats who are terrified of the new family member, and it’s apparent he did not live with cats as he finds them fascinating and of course wants to chase or try to herd them.

Is this a situation that requires a good trainer to assist with or are there things she can do on her own to help the dog be better with cats?

If there is already a thread on this topic, please let me know.

Thank you!

I’m going through this with my chihuahua - he chases any cat that will run. He gets along great with my 2 male cats, and plays with them, but will chase if they run. He and the 2 female cats hate eachother, but he doesn’t try to hurt them, but it is not good. Now I have 2 semi-feral kittens in the house and he is obsessed with them.

I think what I need to do is leash him for a bit and correct him, and then just let him drag the leash so I can grab it as needed. I am also using a squirt gun on him…

Will be interested in hearing other people’s ideas as well!

I am about to introduce a adult male dog to a cat on Sat. My plan is to keep him in his gentle leader and leash when in the shared areas. My bedroom will be his room for now and kept closed so he can be loose in there.

He is going to be crated when I am not home and not sure if I should crate him and leave the door to my room open so the cat can come in and they can get to know each other that way or not…

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He is going to be crated when I am not home and not sure if I should crate him and leave the door to my room open so the cat can come in and they can get to know each other that way or not…[/QUOTE]

From my own personal, sad experience. please crate your dog- regardless of how well behaved the dog seems with cats. You would hate for something to happen to your cat. :cry:

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From my own personal, sad experience. please crate your dog- regardless of how well behaved the dog seems with cats. You would hate for something to happen to your cat. :cry:[/QUOTE]

O no no, I am never going to leave him uncrated when I am not home. Just wondering if I should leave the door to the room where he will be crated open when I am not there so he can see the cat while he is crated and she can come interact with him as she pleases.

I don’t suggest leaving the door open. Might lend itself to Kitty teasing Pup through the crate - causing lots of irritation and a reason for Fluffy to EAT THAT DARN CAT as soon as the door is open.

Especially with an Aussie you have a bigger chance for a high prey drive. Teaching a firm “leave it” will be essential. Basic obediance, in general, will be essential so your friend knows that Fluffy will listen even when not listening would yield “funner” results. Aka - listening to Mom is required, not just an option, even though I really want to chase that cat.

It is possible that this is an issue your friend could handle by herself. However, it can also be a very big issue. I would suggest she tries for a week or two - and if no significant progress is made, your friend should get professional help.

From someone who used to have a dog that killed a cat. She was brillant and well trained - but her personal prey drive was too strong and the habit had been positively reinforced in her life prior to me.

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Just wondering if I should leave the door to the room where he will be crated open when I am not there so he can see the cat while he is crated and she can come interact with him as she pleases.[/QUOTE]

No. You control the dog’s interactions with the cat. Even those interactions that exist only in his tiny canine mind.:slight_smile: It’s the same reason working collies aren’t allowed to look at sheep unless they are being worked on the sheep.

OP - as said above, you must be present during all dog/cat interactions. The second dog does anything you don’t like, you take the dog calmly and put him in the crate and ignore him. After a few minutes, you let him back out.

Rinse repeat as often as necessary.

Which in my drive-y collie bitch’s case, was about a half-dozen times a night for several months. But she’s dead trustworthy now!:smiley:

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No. You control the dog’s interactions with the cat. Even those interactions that exist only in his tiny canine mind.:)[/QUOTE]

Right, make sense! Its what I was thinking. Just making sure I was on the right track!

Luckily, my boy has no front teeth, hence his name Gummy, and has no prey drive from what I have seen. I am hoping the introduction goes well. I will not be allowing him off leash around the cat for at least two weeks.

I am a cat person before a dog person, so I have the cats best interest at heart!

Sorry OP for somewhat high jacking the thread!

Beethoven it sounds like you’re on the right path…but just as an aside - It’s not the teeth that are the issue - if Gummy (love the name! so cute) can pick up a cat, hold it in his mouth, and shake his head the right way Kitty’s spine will break. My dog killed a cat without causing a scratch. If your dog has any interest in chasing cats, that is a manifestation of prey drive. For example - narcotics dogs are often picked because they have a very high prey drive. When the dogs hunt for the chemical scent, they are not “looking” for the drug - they are looking for the ball/toy with which they are trained. In their minds - “Whenever I smell Scent X I find a ball. Hey. There is scent X. SCENT X MEANS BALL. SCENT X! BALL! BALL BALL THERE! I GOTS the BALL wheeeeee”

You have to be on that dog every minute, it’s not when he’s actively following/chasing, it’s the eye movement and head down/lock on, it’s the look in the eye… and the cats know that so they are scared and the whole thing just folds up on itself. Very difficult.

Get him wanting your approval first and then put that up against his want to chase/herd. Keep the cats safe until his natural Aussie tendencies make him WANT to make his people happy.

I’ve had an Aussie that rolled cats. He would sleep by the fire with all the housecats piled on top of him but if he caught one of the barn cats out in the open he would chase and roll them and it will break a cat’s back. He was suspected of breaking one of their backs, it was horrible. I couldn’t stop him-had to rehome him.

going thru this here

I also have loved cats for many years before I got dogs. Right now, I have an 18 year old cat who was raised her whole life here with dogs. She hates them but doesn’t fear them at all. She would NEVER run from a dog in the house and she doesn’t go out much. Now this last summer I got Snickers, the wonder dog, a Border Aussie mix who may have never seen a cat before. His reaction when he first saw her was, OMG WHAT IS THAT! He has never tried to harm her, and she spends most of her time in the cat room, sectioned off with a baby gate. He watches her as she walks by, and will sometimes leave what he is doing to follow. I do have a crate as he is a perpetual motion machine, drives Toffee crazy. I would have thought by now he would have lost interest.
What I am really concerned about is getting a new cat when she passes. I know he needs a job. and a lot more exercise.:uhoh: I can call him off her, but his recall is not so good, and outside, it is non existant. I guess eternal vigilence is the price I pay for my cat to be not afraid.

Just another vote for “never alone without supervision ever” from an owner of a stumpy tailed cat.

Doesn’t matter how good they eventually become (all of my dogs loove my cat, play with him, sleep with him etc) one really good dash through the house can prove too tempting for some dogs.

Coming home to find the skin stripped off my cat’s bony tail was a terrifying one, to say the least.

You live, you pay the very expensive vet bill and you learn :slight_smile: Now when I leave kitties and culprit doggie have no access to one another.

One of my Cattledogs has a cat fetish. My old orange cat, who use to be the barn cat, is her key obsession. I have had this dog since she was a puppy and have worked,worked,worked with her about leaving the cat alone. All the grabbing her,putting her in the crate, ignoring her or treating her EVERY TIME the cat was around,clicker training her to watch me, never have worked on this young girl. She is hard wired to work and if that means going after the cat or chasing the squirrels, then consequences be damned! I finally had to resort to an electric collar. She needed to learn that the cat had a very strong force field around her. Even with that it took a lot of reinforcment. Now when she sees the cat, she still wants to chase her but a light “no” immediately stops her. She is the kind of dog who will NEVER be alone with the cats. All my other Cattledogs hardly ever even look at the cats.
Good luck with the new pooch and hope it all works out

Not sure if it was the police school dropout…

But when my mom inherited my sisters dogs, one the afore mentioned, a malinois, and the confirmed cat chasing (and killing) Jack Russel, we were extremely worried. We tried to rehome that guy, but good homes were not found. We did have a few come-to Jesus meetings with him…the Malinois has the odd compulsion to keep the peace around her…eventually the Jacky got it. But Big Moma was always there to nip him if he looked crosswise at the cats…now he even naps with the kittens…I have the pictures to prove it, too! :slight_smile: He with a look on his face like ‘Don’t tell my buddies’ or ‘Save me from these cats!!!’

Good thing he gave it up, because he was my sister’s heart dog…

I actually have an associated problem. Had two cats with my geriatric Rottie. Cats were fine with him and had been with him since before he was geriatric.

Fast forward 9 months. Got a new dog, and he had lived with a small dog before, but not a cat. Took about a week for one cat to venture upstairs (fully finished basement had stairs with a baby gate high enough for the cats to get under, but too low for the dog to get under.

9 months later, still can’t convince the cat that lived with previous dog longest to come upstairs. Try bringing her up and carrying, she just panics, which peaks the dog’s interest even more.

Any suggestions for this situation would be great!

(Sorry for the derail, OP)

this is just my own experience FWIW…

I have an 8 year old female corgi who has been an only child for 4 years. We brought home 2 8 week old kittens about 3 months ago. Bella being a herding dog is a bit more high strung and “driven” than other dogs, much as im sure your aussie is. Bella has basic commands and is pretty obiediant. When she would get too amped up about the kittens I would give her a command and MAKE her follow it. I am pack leader and I rule the roost. She did fairly well with this but I still felt she was getting way too excited about the situation. Bella has had panic attacks in the past and used to be on daily clomicalm. I eventually had to take her back to the vet to be put back on Clomicalm for about 2 weeks while she adjusted more to the kittens.

Now she could care less what they do and plays very appropriately with them…by om nom noming on their necks. Sounds brutal, but the kittens dont scratch her or run away so they must be ok with it. They are certified BAMF’s anyway.

Here’s a trick I learned when I adopted from shelter an older Doberman who wasn’t too fond of kitties. Put some coins in a tin can (like a large dog food can). When dog seems too interested in kitties, shake can loudly near dog and give the “no” command. They hate the sound. It takes some repetition. Dear Etta (now long departed) was never a great lover of cats, but did learn to tolerate them.

I, too, have an Aussie mix (with Border Collie) and he used to be terrible with the cats. Second he saw them, he wanted to bolt after them. This was when he was an outdoor dog, so when we’d bring him in, the cats would be shut away in a room, until Jake went back outside.

When I got tired of that and decided to try teaching him to be calm around the cats (that’s all I wanted: they didn’t have to snuggle, but I wanted Jake to be peaceful and not lose his marbles when he’d see a cat). I borrowed an idea from the herding world, in that when a Border Collie is herding sheep, when he stops and hangs back, he either stands still or lies down (I think it’s a preference of the dog). So I started schooling Jake when I’d take the cats out in the front yard. The cats have always felt safer around Jake with so much open space around them, and Jake’s calmer if the cats are calm. So I started teaching him that when he’d see a cat, he had to lay down. He could stare at them to his heart’s content, but he had to have his belly on the ground. It seemed to teach him focus, help him to restrain his energy. All herding dogs need to be TAUGHT how to herd, and in a way, Jake was being taught HOW to behave around cats. All I did was tell him to lay down while staring at the cats, but Jake is a dog that learns off of “lightbulb” moments, and one of his lightbulb moments was when he realized that by laying down, the cats would hang around for longer (if he chased them, they’d disappear somewhere and he’d get frustrated and have no outlet for his frustration). He even learned that sometimes, the cat would feel bold and actually wander closer to him. That’s something he’d never experienced before.

Now, Jake didn’t learn how to co-exist with cats quickly. It was a long process, over the span of a couple years. All I wanted was for him to be calm (seriously, I can’t stress that enough. I wasn’t expecting too much from him). But over time, he got used to the routine of laying down or sitting when he saw a cat. It was never automatic: I had to tell him to lay down. And always, ALWAYS, his interactions with cats were done on leash, indoors or out. Jake’s biggest lightbulb moment, the breaking point, was the day after he sliced open a pad during a walk. He was indoors and he was off-leash, cats were roaming around, but it was okay. Jake was just hanging out by himself under a table, nursing his paw. He didn’t care about anything going around him except for nursing that paw. The cats, already getting used to having the dog around, would tentatively come closer, curious about what he was doing. Jake completely ignored them. Since he didn’t produce any reaction, they came yet closer. And Jake started to understand the point of my teachings. By doing nothing, the objects of his fascination would come closer, which was what he wanted. I have a couple of pictures from that day, of Buffy sitting on the table above Jake and Jake’s just looking absentmindedly in the other direction. Another one of Jake on his side, a cat toy in his mouth (there’s one rubber cat toy that Jake LOVED to chomp on, as it made a disgusting squooshing sound from the saliva slathered all over it), and Willow sitting not even 3 feet away. She looks worried, but Jake’s not paying her any attention.

Then we got Molly, who after her first couple of days, figured out how harmless Jake was (all noise and no bite; even when he’d chase a cat and bowl her over, he’d never nip her. He’d just nip the air NEXT to her, trying to herd her like he would a sheep). Jake was delighted that, for the first time in in a few years, a cat would actually allow him to touch her. Jake could do anything: he could lick her, nudge her, body-slam her, lift her butt up in his attempts to sniff, and even a couple of times, he got overstimulated, over-eager and made like he was going to hump her (I put a stop to that, as part of my goal of cat-lessons was to make him understand he was at the bottom of the totem pole. Cats always rank higher than him, and we rank higher than the cats). Anyway, it’s been almost 10 years (about 4-5 since Jake “got it”) and Jake is perfectly safe around the cats. Sometimes, he understands that he’s starting to get overwhelmed by the feline activity and he squeals, runs in a circle, then heads to a corner to lay down and stare at the cats from a distance. One of our cats, Buffy, loves to instigate trouble. She’s pretty comfortable around Jake now, and when she’s howling indignantly about how close Jake’s following her or hovering over her, we may tell Jake to back off, go lay down. He’ll obey, run to his corner to lay down and stare from a distance, and meanwhile, Buffy gets a kind of confused, bewildered look on her face. Then she, oh so subtlety, meanders her way towards Jake, arches her back and rubs against a couch, then she “notices” Jake right there and wails like a helpless damsel in distress again. Honestly, we think it’s hilarious, and we always put blame where blame is due. Buffy is perfectly capable of getting Jake all riled up again, and we all know it. Sometimes she goes too far and Jake touches her tail with his nose and spooks her (she jolts with a squeaky hiss), but we tell her it’s her own fault. Though, to be fair, we tell Jake to back up a bit, give Buffy back some personal space.

Now that Jake can actually co-exist with the cats, he’s gotten bored. When he was young, cats were a fascinating enigma, something strange that was meant to be explored. Now he knows what cats are all about and he’s not so fascinated anymore. He gets riled up when they’re getting in trouble, but he will actually play with a toy or fall asleep with 3 cats in the same room. Once upon a time, the image of a peaceful Jake being unleashed, unrestrained in the same room as 3 peaceful cats, it was just a dream. Once in a while, I remember how unlikely that image was, and I just thank my stars we got to this point. Sometimes I’m not sure HOW (a lot of it was luck and just good fate), but I like to think that if it was possible for Jake, it’s possible for any dog. You just have to understand how said dog behaves, how his brain is wired, and train him accordingly.

Thanks everyone for such great and detailed suggestions. I told her about this thread, so hopefully she will chime in herself.

I really like this blog post from Patricia McConnell, PhD, a well known certified animal behavior consultant and author. She has sheep, dogs, cats, and very effective techniques in this “Chase This, Not That” blog post. Lots of the comments are very interesting too.

http://www.theotherendoftheleash.com/chase-this-not-that#comments