Tell Congress to Pass the SAFE Act Banning Horse Slaughter (different petition)

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=JGHIRETIRE;7130175]
That’s a whole other issue - the mustangs…yes I’m sure they are drug free but talk about a hot button issue.
As far as the horses going to slaughter…
Vet care is not at the top of the list for horses going to slaughter?? Have you forgotten thoroughbreds off the track?? The joke is “stable to table in 4 days or less”…[/QUOTE]

That is where management and testing protocols come in.:yes:

No need to keep pushing animal rights extremist agendas to BAN this and that, here horse slaughter, to further the ultimate goal of eliminating all animal use.:no:

[Lady_Eboshi]

[QUOTE=Angela Freda;7130171]
And yet it hasn’t happened, leaving a big fat black mark on the industry you want to protect.[/QUOTE]

For those with difficulty seeing the forest for the trees, the problem is that barely anyone GIVES a sh*t!! The horses are considered, and treated as, “garbage on the hoof.” If they WERE in fact raised for food, IOW someone had conceived, foaled, lavished care on, and carefully finished them in prime market condition as if they were Angus beef, we wouldn’t be seeing the shipping conditions and poorly-designed SH procedures we do!

The problems that exist, and the fact that the laws are not enforced nor the fines collected, are a huge red-flag symptom that the KB/SH equine business is SO MARGINAL and VESTIGIAL that the problem is considered miniscule and not worth any officials’ time; also, the operators make so little that most of the time if they WERE dragged into court, they’d turn their pockets inside out and the fine would not be collectible. Don’t think for one minute they’re not running their rigs registered under dummy corporations for exactly this reason!

The USDA is not going to fund inspectors, because the product is not consumed in the USA. In times of tight budgets, it’s an absolute non-starter, especially after 7 years with no plants operating. They’re not going to resurrect this with a jump start (like Frankenstein’s Monster) for 2 operators, one of whom is of very dubious repute and his plant unwanted in his own TOWN. Fuggeddaboutit!

Nobody’s going to bring back the Friendly Neigh-bore-hood Abbatoir, either; those are all long gone for the simple reason they are not economically viable. Because ordinary horse owners DO NOT use slaughter for disposal, there is insufficient demand for such a business to be viable even for pet/wildlife food.

Demand for the product for human consumption is also dropping off in Europe.

The supposedly flooded market of excess horses, plus the Great Recession and the drought, have run their course now and breeding numbers are way, WAY down. There will still be the CL asshats because there always HAVE been–go read some vintage children’s horse stories from the 40’s and 50’s for proof.

We are looking at the last gasp of a vestigial industry on it’s way out. Mercifully!

Worried about “where they’ll all go?” Stop breeding Garbage on the Hoof!

[Angela_Freda]

[QUOTE=Bluey;7130202]
That is where management and testing protocols come in.:yes:

No need to keep pushing animal rights extremist agendas to BAN this and that, here horse slaughter, to further the ultimate goal of eliminating all animal use.:no:[/QUOTE]

And I showed you that the testing protocols are craptastic at best.
:yes:

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=Angela Freda;7130241]
And I showed you that the testing protocols are craptastic at best.
:yes:[/QUOTE]

If you think so, work to make them better if that is so important to you.

No need to push animal rights extremist agendas to BAN horse slaughter because you don’t like their testing protocols.

Oh, of course, this nit picking is just talk.
This it is not about improving what we do, but eliminating any we do with animals, eventually.

[Angela_Freda]

[QUOTE=JGHIRETIRE;7130169]
Then why do these fines go uncollected???[/QUOTE]

IT certainly isn’t because the CArpers are short on Funds. Their ‘rescue’ biz is humming along nicely. They HAVE the money, just ain’t no one askin’ for it! Why?

Yup… because no one cares about the rules or enforcement… or the living, breathing animals that are the ‘meat’ of the industry. So a few got frozen sitting on the side of the road, so that’s against a few laws… it’s not like we CARE about those laws or collecting the fines.

[Angela_Freda]

[QUOTE=Bluey;7130244]
If you think so, work to make them better if that is so important to you.

No need to push animal rights extremist agendas to BAN horse slaughter because you don’t like their testing protocols.

Oh, of course, this nit picking is just talk.
This it is not about improving what we do, but eliminating any we do with animals, eventually.:([/QUOTE]

You’re the one fighting to keep this industry going in the US, you’re the one saying it CAN be better… you work to make it better. Prove it!
Or don’t, but then don’t act shocked when people fight against it.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=Angela Freda;7130250]
You’re the one fighting to keep this industry going in the US, you’re the one saying it CAN be better… you work to make it better. Prove it!
Or don’t, but then don’t act shocked when people fight against it.[/QUOTE]

I am not doing any such, you got that wrong.
This is the only forum I am participating in.
If I was pushing any such, I would be in other places also, as others do pushing animal rights extremist agendas here and in other places.

I am just explaining why we should, as we here are supposedly those that agree that taking animals off human’s hands is absurd, since this is a horse forum, that we should not let animal rights extremist keep pushing their agendas to eliminate all animal uses, here with this BAN horse slaughter drive, one more handy place for them to do so with their myths and out of context propaganda.
I think that should not go uncontested.

Yep, one more inconvenient voice, but just that, nothing else.:yes:

[Fairfax]

[QUOTE=Angela Freda;7130248]
IT certainly isn’t because the CArpers are short on Funds. Their ‘rescue’ biz is humming along nicely. They HAVE the money, just ain’t no one askin’ for it! Why?

Yup… because no one cares about the rules or enforcement… or the living, breathing animals that are the ‘meat’ of the industry. So a few got frozen sitting on the side of the road, so that’s against a few laws… it’s not like we CARE about those laws or collecting the fines.[/QUOTE]

Angela…you have never come across as a person lacking in education but your insistence that “someone” collect fines is what I would expect from a 14 year old

That SOMEONE is THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM.

Unless they went bankrupt and plea bargained their fines into it…they are still on the hook.

That has NOTHING to do with the industry and everything to do with the county or state.
I think there is more to the story…with the shortage of money for all county’s and schools it would only take one call to connect the dots. If you are not doing it…and no one else is…there is a reason.

[jetsmom]

[QUOTE=Bluey;7130202]
That is where management and testing protocols come in.:yes:

No need to keep pushing animal rights extremist agendas to BAN this and that, here horse slaughter, to further the ultimate goal of eliminating all animal use.:no:[/QUOTE]

And no need to keep calling people that are against commercial horse slaughter Animal Rights extremists. You apparently are unable to comprehend that people on a horse forum that own horses and other pets, ride/show/etc are against a practice that is fraught with animal cruelty and neglect can be against a certain act yet have the courage to speak out against it. You can’t name ONE poster on here that wants to see animals be given actual RIGHTS, or that wants to do away with horse or other pet ownership. But you also are unable to have the guts to speak up about supporting any abusive animal act. I’d love for you to prove me wrong and actually have the guts to say you supported banning horse tripping/dog fighting/cockfighting, but you won’t. Instead you’ll go off on an evasive tangent, saying that you are being called names, saying you answered it somewhere (you haven’t…link it if you have…you can’t, because you haven’t!), and then going on about RARA’s eliminating ownership, and a link to a Richard Berman site…

[Angela_Freda]

[QUOTE=Fairfax;7130316]
Angela…you have never come across as a person lacking in education but your insistence that “someone” collect fines is what I would expect from a 14 year old

That SOMEONE is THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM.

Unless they went bankrupt and plea bargained their fines into it…they are still on the hook.

That has NOTHING to do with the industry and everything to do with the county or state.
I think there is more to the story…with the shortage of money for all county’s and schools it would only take one call to connect the dots. If you are not doing it…and no one else is…there is a reason.[/QUOTE]

And yet your answer to the ‘problems’ in the insdutry is to fine and enforce laws.
And yet you argue that there’s no money in the counties to do so.

And you call ME the 14 year old lacking in education?
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=jetsmom;7130324]
And no need to keep calling people that are against commercial horse slaughter Animal Rights extremists. You apparently are unable to comprehend that people on a horse forum that own horses and other pets, ride/show/etc are against a practice that is fraught with animal cruelty and neglect can be against a certain act yet have the courage to speak out against it. You can’t name ONE poster on here that wants to see animals be given actual RIGHTS, or that wants to do away with horse or other pet ownership. But you also are unable to have the guts to speak up about supporting any abusive animal act. I’d love for you to prove me wrong and actually have the guts to say you supported banning horse tripping/dog fighting/cockfighting, but you won’t. Instead you’ll go off on an evasive tangent, saying that you are being called names, saying you answered it somewhere (you haven’t…link it if you have…you can’t, because you haven’t!), and then going on about RARA’s eliminating ownership, and a link to a Richard Berman site…[/QUOTE]

You are not making any sense there, sorry.:eek:

All those baseless accusations and all garbled, no way to respond to any of that, if it even was worth it.

I would suggest you quit making this about shooting the messenger when you can’t defend the animal rights extremist agenda driven BAN horse slaughter directly, that is being shown so clearly as absurd on so many levels, as we have already explained a time or ten.:no:

Psst, you again forgot to say I eat roasted puppies for breakfast.:rolleyes:

[Fairfax]

Lets say you are successful in blocking slaughter AND all transportation of horses out of the country bound for slaughter.
What is you solution to take care of them?

You say.,.make the people responsible

Right now they can put the horses through an auction. If it becomes illegal to ship horses to slaughter…it will basically close 90% of all auctions for horses.

Lets just say IF…all of a sudden…people have no out…so they just turn the horses loose…or start to use them for target practice…just injuring them…but not killing them outright…here in Alberta they have not yet found WHO shot and wounded…resulting in long painful deaths…of about 20 feral horses in the Sundre area over the past five years…so if fine collection isn’t a priority I am sure hunting down Billy Bob and Joey Bob ain’t gonna be high on the list either

What do you suggest?

Create more rescues? How would they be funded?
Large tracts of land taken from ranchers…who would pay for their feed and make sure they have water 12 months of the year and how would you get them there.?

[Fairfax]

[QUOTE=Angela Freda;7130325]
And yet your answer to the ‘problems’ in the insdutry is to fine and enforce laws.
And yet you argue that there’s no money in the counties to do so.

And you call ME the 14 year old lacking in education?
:lol: :lol: :lol:[/QUOTE]

Oh my…comprehension time

When there is a shortage of money for projects…then the county’s will start to collect the money. They send Three letters and if no action they SELL the account to a collection agency. California does it all the time and they are near bankruptcy…but last year they did collect in the millions at no cost to the state.

You put up a road block as they do now…for transport trucks…and they have a list of things they look for…and they write tickets on the spot and take a credit card payment. ALL commercial truckers will tell you they get hit all of the time and it is the cost of doing business.

[jetsmom]

[QUOTE=Bluey;7130388]
You are not making any sense there, sorry.:eek:

All those baseless accusations and all garbled, no way to respond to any of that, if it even was worth it.

I would suggest you quit making this about shooting the messenger when you can’t defend the animal rights extremist agenda driven BAN horse slaughter directly, that is being shown so clearly as absurd on so many levels, as we have already explained a time or ten.:no:

Psst, you again forgot to say I eat roasted puppies for breakfast.:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Bingo! And Evasive wins…
And no, I don’t think you eat puppies or abuse animals. I even think you are probably a pretty good horseperson, based on photos you’ve posted and comments on other threads. I just think you are paranoid, condescending and refuse to have the guts to take a stance on an issue, or publicly admit support/non support of something. And I personally think you probably oppose those things I listed, but you would never publicly support banning them due to your paranoia about supporting an issue that the HSUS supports. That’s why I keep trying to get you to say whether you support it.
Because the fact is, you would not support banning ANYTHING that the HSUS supports banning, no matter how abusive, due to your paranoia. Not because you are abusive. It’s sad really.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=jetsmom;7130472]
Bingo! And Evasive wins…
And no, I don’t think you eat puppies or abuse animals. I even think you are probably a pretty good horseperson, based on photos you’ve posted and comments on other threads. I just think you are paranoid, condescending and refuse to have the guts to take a stance on an issue, or publicly admit support/non support of something. And I personally think you probably oppose those things I listed, but you would never publicly support banning them due to your paranoia about supporting an issue that the HSUS supports. That’s why I keep trying to get you to say whether you support it.
Because the fact is, you would not support banning ANYTHING that the HSUS supports banning, no matter how abusive, due to your paranoia. Not because you are abusive. It’s sad really.[/QUOTE]

You know, every so often you go on a diatribe and accuse me of all kinds of things out of the blue.

I think there is a problem here, but it is not mine, just sayin’.

Wait, is the moon full yet?:lol:

[Alagirl]

[QUOTE=Bluey;7130485]

Wait, is the moon full yet?:lol:[/QUOTE]

In three days…

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=Alagirl;7130486]
In three days…[/QUOTE]

Thank you.

[Alagirl]

[QUOTE=Bluey;7130488]
Thank you.:)[/QUOTE]
It 'splains a lot…

[Fairfax]

[QUOTE=Angela Freda;7130171]
And yet it hasn’t happened, leaving a big fat black mark on the industry you want to protect.[/QUOTE]

That has NOTHING to do with the industry. Again…this is a judicial matter. A police matter. A collection matter.

I is not for a slaughter house to collect…same as a person who owes a vet money will not be harrassed by his dentist.

They are both Dr.s but totally removed.

As much as you try and place the non collection blame on an industry that isn’t even up and running…demonstrates to readers who know anything about finances…that your side has not thought ANYTHING out

Many TBs just go for rendering. Anything that has been on the track .

As for the 75000 FERAL horses…they are NOT wild mustangs tracing back to anything. Most are by Quarter Horses and paints and have just been allowed to run over the native reserves and land allotments.

[JGHIRETIRE]

Yes it does doesn’t it…

[QUOTE=Alagirl;7130490]
It 'splains a lot…[/QUOTE]