Tell Congress to Pass the SAFE Act Banning Horse Slaughter (different petition)

[QUOTE=Bluey;7131604]
Well, I did get the chores done, horses fed and groomed a bit, the yard and around the barn mowed, got it all ready for the concrete crew coming tomorrow, if they make it this week, the house cleaned, laundry washed and put away and, you know, did ok for one more multitasking day in my little world.:wink:

You may not realize it, but some posters here do more than post on COTH, they are in several other web sites, spreading the good word also.
Talk about spending time, COTH is all I have time for and that without really paying that much attention at times.[/QUOTE]:winkgrin:
Well MAybe so, but to look at the times of all ya’lls posts it looks like that is all one does.
Just seems a waste of time. But then I gave up on putting my opinions on these threads a while ago.:winkgrin:

[QUOTE=LauraKY;7131414]
Why not? They’re fighting the lobbyists who are trying to convince Congress and state governments that gestation crates are AOK. Not to mention Ag Gag laws.

Bet you can’t resist responding either, Bluey…I’ve noticed a pattern. I’m giving it 30 minutes.[/QUOTE]
Uh Check your posts times… Neither can you! LOL

[QUOTE=jetsmom;7131830]
LOL. You and Alagirl have some of the highest post counts on here! And you are commenting on how much someone posts on a BB???:eek:[/QUOTE]
No I was!

[QUOTE=Sannois;7131852]
:winkgrin:
Well MAybe so, but to look at the times of all ya’lls posts it looks like that is all one does.
Just seems a waste of time. But then I gave up on putting my opinions on these threads a while ago.:winkgrin:[/QUOTE]

I don’t think “it is a waste of time”, when some thank you for explaining there is more to this than some propaganda would like for all to know and for staying with it.:slight_smile:

You may not think so, but really ALL our rights to have animals do hang in the balance here.

Just spend a bit of all that time you save not posting here to go read the comments in the NYC carriage protesters.
The crazy there is right down scary, when you contemplate those are the people that will vote if we get to have animals.:eek:

It is the same all over the internet.:no:

[QUOTE=Sannois;7131852]
:winkgrin:
Well MAybe so, but to look at the times of all ya’lls posts it looks like that is all one does.
Just seems a waste of time. But then I gave up on putting my opinions on these threads a while ago.:winkgrin:[/QUOTE]

All part of the game plan to make sensible people go away.
Then it sounds like the majority really is for all that kokolores…

[QUOTE=Fairfax;7131425]
The gestation crates SAVE little porkers. The ones who roam free…are usually eaten by other sows the minute mama gets up for a look see.

The mortality rate is very high. Olds Agricultural College which is an educational board and school has done extensive study’s on the crates. Used properly and with a shortened time frame…it can reduce the rateof death by over 95%

This is a very accredited school and HSUS has printed many of their educational findings over the years. However Olds is in no way aligned with them as they do see the damage they have done, are doing and will in the future.[/QUOTE]

Dr. Rollin is a Distinguished Professor of Animal Sciences at Colorado State University and is well known internationally for his over 30 years of work in animal welfare. He was a major architect of federal laws protecting laboratory animals, and has written two books on farmed-animal welfare. He serves on the Pew Commission on Industrial Farm Animal Production and is an expert witness on animal welfare issues in the U.S. and abroad.

"Having visited, and extensively studied, examples of all contemporary systems utilized in confinement agriculture”"be it poultry, veal, cattle, or swine”“I can unhesitatingly affirm that sow stalls, or gestation crates, are the most egregious example of the application of industrial methods to animal production. While all of these systems are violative of animals’ physical and psychological nature… gestation crates come to the forefront as the worst of a bad lot. I have personally witnessed ordinary people’s response to their first experience of these crates, and have seen eminent academics emerge from a sow barn unabashedly in tears.”

Just a sample. Temple Gradin equates a gestation crate to living your entire life in an airline seat We’re taking gestation crates, not farrowing crates. A gestation crate is 19"-26" wide and 7’ long.

And study info. http://www.depts.ttu.edu/animalwelfare/Research/SowHousing/The%20Crate.pdf

As for what I do in my spare time, in the last week and a half, I’ve picked up a stray kitten from the Dollar Store and had it vetted, pulled two dogs from a shelter, taking one to the groomer today and I’m transporting them to their foster homes on Thursday. What have you done?

[QUOTE=LauraKY;7131947]
Just a sample. Temple Gradin equates a gestation crate to living your entire life in an airline seat We’re taking gestation crates, not farrowing crates. A gestation crate is 19"-26" wide and 7’ long.

And study info. http://www.depts.ttu.edu/animalwelfare/Research/SowHousing/The%20Crate.pdf

As for what I do in my spare time, in the last week and a half, I’ve picked up a stray kitten from the Dollar Store and had it vetted, pulled two dogs from a shelter, taking one to the groomer today and I’m transporting them to their foster homes on Thursday. What have you done?[/QUOTE]

YOu are correcrt I was commenting on farrowing crates

What have I done

Well, as a kennel operator with a reduced number of indoor suites…20 and that can easily handle 25 I have the following problem

Three years ago I received a call at 7 am…very cold that morning…The caller from a blocked number told me I might want to get down to my kennel immediately. I did…and there was a 3 month old Dach. puppy. Simon has now been here since then. Same with Tammy Bay Faker…a small mixed designer type puppy saved from a hoarder on New Years Morning after the lady called me and told me she could not stand this "p ss’’'g puppy any more and it was outside…it was over 30 below

Or how about the customer who had been with me for a couple of years deserting FIVE PREGNANT CATS…I didn’t know until kitties started to arrive. I found homes at dairies and private residences but I have had seven indoors since then…or how about Greystoke or Rusty…both dumped during the winter…both skin and bones when they discovered the kennel. Greystoke lost his ears…They have been in the kennel for 4 years.

The Alberta SPCA came for an inspection and visit. I asked her if they could help with the cats and she said they have no facilities…but I couold have their rep pick them up…they gas them. For anyone who has watched the 10 minutes it takes for them to die…well…if you can live with that…slaughter is not near the trauma.

On average, like almost every kennel owner/operator…I find homes for dogs that the owners have boarded…and they have died, become ill…OR I receive calls …can I help out…when a local wonderful lady suddenly died…she had two ten year old great Pyranese…one mixed breed and six cats with an assortment of problems requiring medications.

She had made provisions but I looked after them until the will was probated…for free…

I am pleased you do so much but do not assume that the rest of us aren’t involved on a regular basis.

I no longer board overnight horses however I do have an agreement with the local rodeo facility that emergency care can be provided there. As there are accidents where individuals are injured the livestock (or family pets which come to my kennel) have to be looked after

We had a major flood in southen Alberta. I provided five suites at reduced rates 50% off for two months while owners tried to relocate or rebuild. I have had the dogs now for three months.

I haven’t volunteered at the Fort now for quite a while as my only day away is Wednesday…for 6 hours while I go to the city one hour away and do banking, supplies…grain…shavings…

Of course this is my choice and I do not demand others do the same.

I could take the cats and toss them out at the barn with the 6 that have migrated there (of course they get food and water available–heated during the winter). No vets will give me a break on euthanization, shots etc so I have contacts for shots and do my own when I can.

One thousand dollars to euthanize them is not going to happen. The indoor cats, when taken to the barn…well…the owls got one the first day…so I took the rest back to their kennel homes where they have resided.

Next question?

[QUOTE=jetsmom;7130324]
And no need to keep calling people that are against commercial horse slaughter Animal Rights extremists. You apparently are unable to comprehend that people on a horse forum that own horses and other pets, ride/show/etc are against a practice that is fraught with animal cruelty and neglect can be against a certain act yet have the courage to speak out against it. You can’t name ONE poster on here that wants to see animals be given actual RIGHTS, or that wants to do away with horse or other pet ownership. But you also are unable to have the guts to speak up about supporting any abusive animal act. I’d love for you to prove me wrong and actually have the guts to say you supported banning horse tripping/dog fighting/cockfighting, but you won’t. Instead you’ll go off on an evasive tangent, saying that you are being called names, saying you answered it somewhere (you haven’t…link it if you have…you can’t, because you haven’t!), and then going on about RARA’s eliminating ownership, and a link to a Richard Berman site…[/QUOTE]

It is so vey odd and abnormal that she keeps responding to EVERY point made by using the animal rights activists responses. Bluey is the ONLY one who pushes that the ban slaughter issue is only from RARA’s. Her responses don’t even correlate to the points brought up by other posters.

It’s sad, really. I like to read what other people “in the know” have to write. But her responses are so far out of the ballpark , it’s comical. Too bad she can’t respond to the issues directly instead of circling back to RARA’s.

If I answered every question posed to me at my job with the same answer, I would be considered to be impaired & to have severe cognitive issues. I wouldn’t keep my job very long…

Actually her posts are: articulate and to the point

If there are problems…FIX THE PROBLEM…like the Japanese say…Stop the Blame and FIX THE PROBLEM

Typical comment from an anti". The facilities are not up to par. They are only built for cattle. They are not safe. The horses will slip and fall down. AND the new owners will never build a good facility because it is too expensive

WOW…talk about projection…like those Valley comments that they only painted the chute to make it look larger. There was never anything like that going on. The USDA did an inspection and found the height to be correct and same with the size. The USDA was LOOKING for any reason to stop the process so they could remove themselves from the volatile kickback from the rara’s.

IF the chutes are wrong… don’t blame…FIX THEM

Mats for flooring in the chute line is about $1000. That is it. The chutes to make them taller and horse friendly is about $2500

The anti side have had no comment about why haven’t they done anything.

They have had since 2007 AND the increased problem of unwanted horses and yet…only a couple of euthanization or castration clinics have been established in the U.S. I think there are maybe THREE…

Why have the anti crowd done NOTHING?
They have not spent any money nor have they established a state by state opportunity.

Their claim…why should we have to provide that service even those we are demand a ban to slaughter? We should not have to spend our own money because we didn’t breed the horse.

Alagirl had the best analogy I have read. Many who should never have owned a horse acquired one for $25.00 and then discovered hay cost more per bale. Those horses have been neglected.

John Holland, claiming he is the data guru and Sue make up her data…forgot his most blundering lie. At the debate in 2008 he CLEARLY stated there were enough homes to absorb ALL the horses.

Then the recession, draught etc and he still claims the same…but his rescue buddies are dumping horses right left and dead center at auctions with meat buyers.

This group does not fix the problem…however remember Jemn an active anti member wanted to know what I was going to do to take care of the horses WHEN slaughter and transportation was outlawed. She therefore KNOWS this is going to create a major problem.

Enter the Indians…in Canada…there was a political crisis and I have to admit…the native representative tossed his vote with the government blocking Quebecs rights to withdfraw AND demand Canada still give them currency

Strange…this is almost the same. Ban all slaughter then demand everyone else pay.

Slaughter can be regulated and fixed.

We have seen the transportation groups FIX the problem especially as they had trucks seized, turned backed and or were fined/

The pro slaughter refuse to collect the fines. That is correct. We alsop don’t collect fines from the anti groups who acquired DUI’s, refuse to pay child support, or acquire speeding tickets.

BUT I KNOW for a FACT that collection agencies would love to get these unpaid bills into their system… On another forum one lady (this is why I know this is all preplaned as red herrings) stated…Why should a country who is FORCED to have horse slaughter LOSE the money the collection agency charges as their percentage…usually 50% AND were the anti crowd going to make up the difference?

HUH?

The more petitions, the more anti slaughter threads on forums and the more absurd statements coming from them shows desperation

P.S. Even the self proclaimed gld like John Holland calls others names like Shedrow. I think their house of cards is collapsing

[QUOTE=Dispatcher;7131988]
It is so vey odd and abnormal that she keeps responding to EVERY point made by using the animal rights activists responses. Bluey is the ONLY one who pushes that the ban slaughter issue is only from RARA’s. Her responses don’t even correlate to the points brought up by other posters.

It’s sad, really. I like to read what other people “in the know” have to write. But her responses are so far out of the ballpark , it’s comical. Too bad she can’t respond to the issues directly instead of circling back to RARA’s.

If I answered every question posed to me at my job with the same answer, I would be considered to be impaired & to have severe cognitive issues. I wouldn’t keep my job very long…[/QUOTE]

I think that maybe it is “abnormal”, as you say, that some are reading with biased glasses on, because what I respond to, well, it is a response to, guess what, the same, same, same animal rights extremist propaganda points, again and again.:no:

Why are you surprised that my response then is, well, the same?:lol:
Remember, you seem to have missed that I am RESPONDING to the same propaganda points some keep bringing up here.
Why would my SAME response be questionable, but not the original, also many times repeated propaganda points I respond to?:confused:

I do it because there are new people reading here for the first time all along and they then get to hear BOTH sides, even if for those that have already heard it it seems “the same, how tiresome.”

There is a choice there for those that “get tired of the same, same”.
No need to click, it is going to be “the same, same” … from BOTH sides.:yes:

Most computers, if you highlight a word, phrase or paragraph and right click, one choice will be “search with Google”.

If you do so to ANY of all that animal rights extremist propaganda brought here time and again, try it on the title of this thread “SAFE Act Banning Horse Slaughter”, Google will bring you pages of animal rights extremist web sites with that propaganda, much of it exactly as it is copied and pasted over in here by some posters.

Rest my case.:slight_smile:

[QUOTE=Bluey;7132102]
I think that maybe it is “abnormal”, as you say, that some are reading with biased glasses on, because what I respond to, well, it is a response to, guess what, the same, same, same animal rights extremist propaganda points, again and again.:no:

Why are you surprised that my response then is, well, the same?:lol:
Remember, you seem to have missed that I am RESPONDING to the same propaganda points some keep bringing up here.
Why would my SAME response be questionable, but not the original, also many times repeated propaganda points I respond to?:confused:

I do it because there are new people reading here for the first time all along and they then get to hear BOTH sides, even if for those that have already heard it it seems “the same, how tiresome.”

There is a choice there for those that “get tired of the same, same”.
No need to click, it is going to be “the same, same” … from BOTH sides.:yes:

Most computers, if you highlight a word, phrase or paragraph and right click, one choice will be “search with Google”.

If you do so to ANY of all that animal rights extremist propaganda brought here time and again, try it on the title of this thread “SAFE Act Banning Horse Slaughter”, Google will bring you pages of animal rights extremist web sites with that propaganda, much of it exactly as it is copied and pasted over in here by some posters.

Rest my case.:)[/QUOTE]

yes, you are responding. But you do not respond to the issues presented in a cogent manner. Your responses are non-sequitors.

[QUOTE=Dispatcher;7132157]
yes, you are responding. But you do not respond to the issues presented in a cogent manner. Your responses are non-sequitors.[/QUOTE]

Bluey, I think she is calling you stupid…

A pig expert too? Of course you are…just another qualification to add to your impressive (albeit imaginary) resume… :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Alagirl;7132159]
Bluey, I think she is calling you stupid…[/QUOTE]

I most certainly am not. I like to read responses that are relevant to the issue. Not the same response to EVERY issue, no matter what the issue is.

Dispatcher, don’t you know that EVERYONE is biased unless you agree?

But one must get on the important work: SOMEONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERWEBZ!!!

[QUOTE=wildlifer;7132212]
Dispatcher, don’t you know that EVERYONE is biased unless you agree?

But one must get on the important work: SOMEONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERWEBZ!!![/QUOTE]

Wait! I thought it was that everyone is a RARA unless you agree. Silly me…

and happy Monday morning to you all too. ROFL

[QUOTE=wildlifer;7132212]
Dispatcher, don’t you know that EVERYONE is biased unless you agree?

But one must get on the important work: SOMEONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERWEBZ!!![/QUOTE]

Of course::slight_smile:

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[QUOTE=Dispatcher;7132157]
yes, you are responding. But you do not respond to the issues presented in a cogent manner. Your responses are non-sequitors.[/QUOTE]

Because we have answered at length before and guess what, the same propaganda is posted again, ignoring the responses.

So, a standard, general answer seems good enough.:yes:

Example?

I responded with how someone can check that I am right, that those here are just parroting animal rights extremist propaganda, right out of animal rights extremists web sites and what do I get for a response?
What I said ignored and back to personal attacks.:rolleyes:

Guess that the same will happen to this post.:stuck_out_tongue:

Why?

Because all some want is to keep parroting animal rights extremist propaganda, not debate the merits of it in any “cogent manner”.:lol:

[QUOTE=Abercrombie;7132169]
A pig expert too? Of course you are…just another qualification to add to your impressive (albeit imaginary) resume… :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Jea lousy is such a wasted emotion. Never been around the pigs however I have read a little. My neighbor at De Winton dun gon and had him self a hart attack…
and he feld into dat der pig pen…and da police…de only found part of him…dem pigs ate him up… dats when I tried to read a bit bout dem…sod the same ting no happen to me if I ever got me some

I figured I liked eaten dem…bacon and all but din not wanna live with them.

Dats why we have these heer forums.
My resume sure doesn’t need any help. Why…I have even been called a National Treasure by Susan Smart on Facebook.

I think I am rather fortunate.

I managed to get to University and master the unique card game Yuker and also Domino’s…

I grew up in fore in countries

Have had a lifetime with horses and dogs and have shown them

in many country’s (gosh.even have pic churs)

And. most impor tant…I has FRIENDS

ya know…people ya can count on even tho my spelin ain’t too good

But my friend ship book is filled up…so sorry…you will just have to wait until someone falls into a pig pen or dies of nachural causes.

Wantin to be my friend is da only reson I figur you only post tryin to make fun of me. Ya want my attention.