It sounded to me that they (the boards) were taking money for a certain purpose (advertising)yet not using it FOR that purpose. Hmmm…sounds familiar doesn’t it. Kinda like the pot got to meet the kettle.
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It sounded to me that they (the boards) were taking money for a certain purpose (advertising)yet not using it FOR that purpose. Hmmm…sounds familiar doesn’t it. Kinda like the pot got to meet the kettle.[/QUOTE]
For what has been reported, there have been several audits conducted all along and nothing was found that was not as the laws demand, the money was spent where it was supposed to be spent.
Some were saying, “creative bookkeeping”, but you know, the government bean counters are good at sniffing any and all that is not up to par.
If they are giving them a pass, the grumblers will just have to keep trying to find something else to hang them by, or finally go away and find some other to grumble about.
The controversy when that law was passed was that it was railroaded thru with questionable voting and that the board has kept any more voting if to continue with the beef board or not from happening over all those years.
That doesn’t set well with many, with good reason and that of course fuels the grumblers on.
You will find some like this every place, every industry or association.
That seems to be how the game is played in any group by those that like those games.:no:
It still doesn’t make sense that the HSUS is involved at all in this?
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It still doesn’t make sense that the HSUS is involved at all in this?[/QUOTE]
Why not? They’re fighting the lobbyists who are trying to convince Congress and state governments that gestation crates are AOK. Not to mention Ag Gag laws.
Bet you can’t resist responding either, Bluey…I’ve noticed a pattern. I’m giving it 30 minutes.
The gestation crates SAVE little porkers. The ones who roam free…are usually eaten by other sows the minute mama gets up for a look see.
The mortality rate is very high. Olds Agricultural College which is an educational board and school has done extensive study’s on the crates. Used properly and with a shortened time frame…it can reduce the rateof death by over 95%
This is a very accredited school and HSUS has printed many of their educational findings over the years. However Olds is in no way aligned with them as they do see the damage they have done, are doing and will in the future.
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Why not? They’re fighting the lobbyists who are trying to convince Congress and state governments that gestation crates are AOK. Not to mention Ag Gag laws.
Bet you can’t resist responding either, Bluey…I’ve noticed a pattern. I’m giving it 30 minutes.[/QUOTE]
I have a guess or two, one, why would the HSUS bankroll any one suing the beef and pork boards?
As the HSUS itself said last spring, to disrupt and make those associations use their money to defend themselves, not to do what they are mandated by law to do, help promote beef and pork.
Another, it gives them free publicity and keeps their name out there.
One more, as we have seen now in several places, the thread about the BL one of those, other where the HSUS was involved with some rescue effort that had national media exposure, the HSUS is working to get different government entities to consider them for a supervisory role.:eek:
Yes, the fox guarding the henhouse, animal rights extremist bringing forth regulations and enforcing those regulations handling animal husbandry, when their stated intent is to work for a vegan world and eventually no animal uses, at all.:lol:
Yes, that one makes so much sense, but I would not be surprised if they get that done, some kind of government made up department just for them, in this administration, that has their ear.:rolleyes:
The other, well, is too long to explain again and this really is a horse USING forum, where animal rights extremist agendas, like this push to BAN horse slaughter, are decidedly worth getting picked on to respond to.:yes:
Now, see, I didn’t make any of this personal, as the rules demand.
I don’t need to do so to present the ideas I want to bring here.
And Congressman Luetkemeyer agrees. This morning he sent a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder and Treasury Department Secretary Jacob Lew and a second letter to J. Russell George, Inspector General for Tax Administration. He writes:
Given that IRS officials have now admitted that the agency, including Ms. Lerner’s office, targeted conservative non-profit organizations and has been improperly involved in politics, I have serious doubts about the extent to which my requests for an investigation of HSUS’ tax-exempt status, a left-leaning non-profit organization, were given due consideration. Adding to my skepticism, I recently became aware that Ms. Lerner is herself, an active member of HSUS and has spoken at HSUS events.While it is disconcerting to think that Ms. Lerner, who oversees tax-exempt organizations for the IRS, may have disregarded my request for an investigation due to her own political beliefs or those of her staff, in light of the recent revelations about the activities of Ms. Lerner’s office and in the absence of any other explanation from the IRS, many Americans will arrive at this very conclusion.
I encourage others to read the link below. It is very revealing
http://www.memoryofchaucer.com/lew.htm
Here it is significant to note that:
· [B]The September 9, 2011 Letter (Tab 3) included a CD Voice Recording of Mr. Pacelle, the President and CEO of the HSUS, who stated in his own voice in April of 2011 that “We have passed 1,000 laws in the last decade.”
· Lobbying in support of the passage of 1,000 laws involves a lot of Lobbying. [/B]
Allegation 3 of the September 9, 2011 Letter (Tab 3) made specific reference to letters received
from Members of Congress that were dated March 23, 2010 and April 18, 2011, which letters referenced “apparent improper activities” of the HSUS. What I believe is so telling is that representations were made to those Members of Congress that there was an on-going IRS examination of the Lobbying Activities of the HSUS at the same time that an IRS Official notified me in writing by letter dated May 5, 2011 that the IRS had closed the Complaint Case Files (Case File Numbers 29-92012 and 29-92013, respectively) involving the Humane Society of the U.S. (HSUS) and the Humane Society Legislative Fund. (HSLF) (Tab 7-A)
Since Congressman Luetkemeyer has specifically requested that you and Attorney General Holder conduct a “thorough and timely investigation,” I respectfully request that your investigation specifically address the following 15 Issues that relate to the 1,000s of violations of the U.S. Tax Code by the HSUS, that were substantiated by the more than 3,000 pages of documents that I submitted to the IRS and to Ms. Lois Lerner during the last 4 1/2 years:
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Really?
Don’t you say.
Fairfax, is that your source?
You know, all your hush-hush, I can’t talk about it, the HSUS is going down?
All those law suits against the HSUS that were in the works for 2013, per your claim?
Maybe your are not understanding a 501©4 designation:
a section 501©(4) social welfare organization may further its exempt purposes through lobbying as its primary activity without jeopardizing its exempt status.
and in addition to lobbying:
a section 501©(4) social welfare organization may engage in some political activities, so long as that is not its primary activity.
http://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Other-Non-Profits/Social-Welfare-Organizations
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Fairfax, is that your source?
You know, all your hush-hush, I can’t talk about it, the HSUS is going down?
All those law suits against the HSUS that were in the works for 2013, per your claim?
Maybe your are not understanding a 501©4 designation:
a section 501©(4) social welfare organization may further its exempt purposes through lobbying as its primary activity without jeopardizing its exempt status.
and in addition to lobbying:
a section 501©(4) social welfare organization may engage in some political activities, so long as that is not its primary activity.
http://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Other-Non-Profits/Social-Welfare-Organizations[/QUOTE]
You didn’t read your link all the way, because after what you copied and pasted there, you will find some modifiers to how any lobbying is acceptable.
Those are what the HSUS may have been skirting around.
The HSUS has been doing mostly lobbying, only 1% goes to help animals directly, as their advertising is taken to mean they do.
The income used for lobbying has to be listed in other than the regular non-profit standard sheet and taxes paid on that.
That is was I heard is one point that was in question:
—“Seeking legislation germane to the organization’s programs is a permissible means of attaining social welfare purposes. Thus, a section 501©(4) social welfare organization may further its exempt purposes through lobbying as its primary activity without jeopardizing its exempt status. An organization that has lost its section 501©(3) status due to substantial attempts to influence legislation may not thereafter qualify as a section 501©(4) organization. In addition, a section 501©(4) organization that engages in lobbying may be required to either provide notice to its members regarding the percentage of dues paid that are applicable to lobbying activities or pay a proxy tax. For more information, see Lobbying Issues .
The promotion of social welfare does not include direct or indirect participation or intervention in political campaigns on behalf of or in opposition to any candidate for public office. However, a section 501©(4) social welfare organization may engage in some political activities, so long as that is not its primary activity. However, any expenditure it makes for political activities may be subject to tax under section 527(f). For further information regarding political and lobbying activities of section 501© organizations, see Election Year Issues, Political Campaign and Lobbying Activities of IRC 501©(4), ©(5), and ©(6) Organizations, and Revenue Ruling 2004-6.”—
The HSUS is in a bind there, they are a non-profit and that is why so many give them their big donations, because those are part of the tax write-offs for the rich and famous and the publicity of giving to a supposedly good cause creates good PR for them.
The down side of being a non-profit, they have to operate under some restricting regulations they would rather ignore, one the reality that they are in fact a lobbying organization, not a real hands on one, although they are trying to put a better face there, now that the cat was let out of the bag, the information age so inconveniently doing that to all non-profits, showing clearly who is doing what and requesting a more tight accountability.
Guess that when you get millions in donations a year, it starts to add up in a hurry.
No Bluey, the HSUS has a 501©4 in ADDITION to their 501©3.
The 501©4 is called the Humane Society Legislative Fund.
The 501©4 may engage in some political activities in ADDITION to their lobbying. Political activities may be subject to tax under section 527(f).
Got it?
[QUOTE=luvmytbs;7131584]
No Bluey, the HSUS has a 501©4 in ADDITION to their 501©3.
The 501©4 is called the Humane Society Legislative Fund.
The 501©4 may engage in some political activities in ADDITION to their lobbying. Political activities may be subject to tax under section 527(f).
Got it?[/QUOTE]
Yes, I get it, that is why they have a herd of lawyers, to keep all that straight.:lol:
[QUOTE=luvmytbs;7131584]
No Bluey, the HSUS has a 501©4 in ADDITION to their 501©3.
The 501©4 is called the Humane Society Legislative Fund.
The 501©4 may engage in some political activities in ADDITION to their lobbying. Political activities may be subject to tax under section 527(f).
Got it?[/QUOTE]
you bolded the wrong word: Some is the operative.
I think it has been established that our friends are only doing some work with animals amidst their political shenanigans…
I have come to a VERy interesting observation.
Bluey and Laura spend all day on the internet. You can tell by the times posted. Wow, So much life to live and stuck behind a computer all day grousing about things you cannot control. It was a gorgeous weekend in my next of the woods. Wall to wall sunshine, Trail riding, Trail clearing, Yard work. Festival.
You should get out and see the summer before it is all gone.
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you bolded the wrong word: Some is the operative.
I think it has been established that our friends are only doing some work with animals amidst their political shenanigans…[/QUOTE]
Apparently you didn’t get it.
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I have come to a VERy interesting observation.
Bluey and Laura spend all day on the internet. You can tell by the times posted. Wow, So much life to live and stuck behind a computer all day grousing about things you cannot control. It was a gorgeous weekend in my next of the woods. Wall to wall sunshine, Trail riding, Trail clearing, Yard work. Festival.
You should get out and see the summer before it is all gone.[/QUOTE]
LOL, speak for yourself, Missy! :lol:
it’s been cold and rainy here. I kid you not: It warmed up a lot today: Low 70s vs the mid 60s we had yesterday…and no sunlight…
But it is funny when one of them tells the other ‘I give you 30 minutes before you respond’ 
then responds much faster yet herself.
[QUOTE=luvmytbs;7131596]
Apparently you didn’t get it.[/QUOTE]
Get it? Got it? Goooood!
:lol:
yeah, I am getting it.
But you are not.
[QUOTE=Sannois;7131592]
I have come to a VERy interesting observation.
Bluey and Laura spend all day on the internet. You can tell by the times posted. Wow, So much life to live and stuck behind a computer all day grousing about things you cannot control. It was a gorgeous weekend in my next of the woods. Wall to wall sunshine, Trail riding, Trail clearing, Yard work. Festival.
You should get out and see the summer before it is all gone.[/QUOTE]
Well, I did get the chores done, horses fed and groomed a bit, the yard and around the barn mowed, got it all ready for the concrete crew coming tomorrow, if they make it this week, the house cleaned, laundry washed and put away and, you know, did ok for one more multitasking day in my little world.
You may not realize it, but some posters here do more than post on COTH, they are in several other web sites, spreading the good word also.
Talk about spending time, COTH is all I have time for and that without really paying that much attention at times.
[QUOTE=Bluey;7131604]
Well, I did get the chores done, horses fed and groomed a bit, the yard and around the barn mowed, got it all ready for the concrete crew coming tomorrow, if they make it this week, the house cleaned, laundry washed and put away and, you know, did ok for one more multitasking day in my little world.
You may not realize it, but some posters here do more than post on COTH, they are in several other web sites, spreading the good word also.
Talk about spending time, COTH is all I have time for and that without really paying that much attention at times.[/QUOTE]
LOL. You and Alagirl have some of the highest post counts on here! And you are commenting on how much someone posts on a BB???:eek:
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LOL. You and Alagirl have some of the highest post counts on here! And you are commenting on how much someone posts on a BB???:eek:[/QUOTE]
I did nothing of the sort, don’t even know how much anyone posts here.
I was talking about all those animal rights extremist web sites some seem to go to, where so many of their ideas, stories, links and like this one drive to BAN horse slaughter and so much of what they copy and paste here obviously comes from.
Then, when we have several posters ganging on one, then of course the one has more posts while defending itself.
Pure mathematics.:yes:
