[QUOTE=LauraKY;7131064]
Pork:
http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=745917a4-0b04-481c-9bb5-5d9d684bc7f0
and[/QUOTE]
Of course, the HSUS started those lawsuits before their own mess with the IRS questions came up.
I wonder if they would have gone there after that came out.:eek:
Of course, some think that a good offense is the best defense.:rolleyes:
The HSUS doesn’t have a mess with the IRS. They have an independent lobbying arm that is a 501©4. Donations are not tax deductible, nor are they funded by the government. Funny, looks like the Beef and Pork Councils were doing what you accused HSUS of doing. But now I guess it’s OK, at least in your mind.
I asked a question and got told to google it - allrighty then…???
I can’t help it if you weren’t done.
[QUOTE=Bluey;7131054]
I was not thru editing for content, there is a bit more than you quoted.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=LauraKY;7131074]
The HSUS doesn’t have a mess with the IRS.[/QUOTE]
I am referring to the many that questioned the HSUS non-profit status to the IRS over the years and their questions were dustbined.
Some of those were Senators.
Now, it seems that one of the own HSUS Board of Directors was high up in the IRS::eek:
http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/16/irs-lois-lerner-humane-society/
[QUOTE=JGHIRETIRE;7131081]
I asked a question and got told to google it - allrighty then…???
I can’t help it if you weren’t done.[/QUOTE]
I know, was just directing you to more there.:yes:
As I said before, animal rights extremist have their fingers in many pies, trying to further their ultimate agenda where and how they can, that is to eventually eliminate all animal use, as I already presented that link with their own words a time or ten recently.
The push to BAN horse slaughter is just one more, lets say, “profit center” for them.
Both sides need to be kept honest.
[QUOTE=LauraKY;7131074]
The HSUS doesn’t have a mess with the IRS. They have an independent lobbying arm that is a 501©4. Donations are not tax deductible, nor are they funded by the government. Funny, looks like the Beef and Pork Councils were doing what you accused HSUS of doing. But now I guess it’s OK, at least in your mind.[/QUOTE]
We need to keep Independent producer’s …
“NCBA has essentially taken all of our own money ”” that we have been forced to pay in to the checkoff by law ”" and used it to lobby Congress for an agricultural system, an industrialized cattle system that is contrary to the independent cattle producer’s interest," Mike Callicrate, a Kansas cattle feeder and OCM vice president, told the Associated Press on Friday.
[QUOTE=Bluey;7131083]
I am referring to the many that questioned the HSUS non-profit status to the IRS over the years and their questions were dustbined.
Some of those were Senators.
Now, it seems that one of the own HSUS Board of Directors was high up in the IRS::eek:
http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/16/irs-lois-lerner-humane-society/[/QUOTE]
The Daily Caller? Really?
So now you want a handful of politicians dictating to the IRS who they should investigate? That would be very worrisome indeed.
[QUOTE=LauraKY;7131112]
The Daily Caller? Really?
So now you want some politicians dictating to the IRS who they should investigate? That would be very worrisome indeed.[/QUOTE]
Yes, Senators and Congress members. That is part of their job to look into the affairs of governmental institutions.
You want them to interfere with free trade.
Oh, and no…it’s likely not a far fetched claim…after all, they DID interfere with not-for-profit groups.
But I guess it’s all fine with you…since supposedly the conservatives are pro-slaughter as well…screw them, right! :lol:
[QUOTE=LauraKY;7131112]
The Daily Caller? Really?
So now you want a handful of politicians dictating to the IRS who they should investigate? That would be very worrisome indeed.[/QUOTE]
That is the first that comes up when you google that topic, but all say about the same, take your pick.
Not that you should already know about that, it was in the national news for a few weeks, on and off.
[QUOTE=JGHIRETIRE;7131108]
We need to keep Independent producer’s …
“NCBA has essentially taken all of our own money ”” that we have been forced to pay in to the checkoff by law ”" and used it to lobby Congress for an agricultural system, an industrialized cattle system that is contrary to the independent cattle producer’s interest," Mike Callicrate, a Kansas cattle feeder and OCM vice president, told the Associated Press on Friday.[/QUOTE]
I have not said anything about that, other than the HSUS is suing them, one more finger in their big pie.
Why?
Other than they openly declared war on animal agriculture, all of it, because their intent is to have a vegan world, you will have to ask them.:lol:
That Mr Callicrate named there is the one that invented and sells a better castrating tool, not exactly who you expect the HSUS to line up with.
Seriously, there is plenty of grass roots animosity against the beef board, for several reasons.
Some of that you read is propaganda from one or the other side.
For any one cattleman to align themselves with animal rights extremist because they want to fight the beef board, that is like a jewish person to align themselves with Hitler because at that time they both may have been against black people.:eek:
Kind of hard to figure some times where people come from, is it.:no:
[QUOTE=Alagirl;7131121]
Yes, Senators and Congress members. That is part of their job to look into the affairs of governmental institutions.
You want them to interfere with free trade.
Oh, and no…it’s likely not a far fetched claim…after all, they DID interfere with not-for-profit groups.
But I guess it’s all fine with you…since supposedly the conservatives are pro-slaughter as well…screw them, right! :lol:[/QUOTE]
What are you babbling about? Who interfered with not for profits? The IRS? Are That’s their job, to make sure that they’re following the rules. There was no scandal…it was a typical Issa looking for a scandal. If there had been anything to it…you’d still be hearing about it.
Are you trying to claim that elected officials interfered with the IRS? Who, when and links and facts please.
[QUOTE=LauraKY;7131140]
What are you babbling about? Who interfered with not for profits? The IRS? Are That’s their job, to make sure that they’re following the rules. There was no scandal…it was a typical Issa looking for a scandal. If there had been anything to it…you’d still be hearing about it.
Are you trying to claim that elected officials interfered with the IRS? Who, when and links and facts please.[/QUOTE]
You question my memory and you yourself has already conveniently forgotten all that very recent, still ongoing news about the IRS and what may have been and did go on in there?:no:
People are just now starting to connect the dots and that the complaints against the HSUS were ignored for years is part of that.
May pan out it was something to it, or not, but it is questionable and right that such be investigated.
It sounds like the independent cattle producers do not want to go along with an industrialized system - that has nothing to do with animal rights/welfare or veganism. Sounds like they are trying to not get lost in the huge industrial machine.
[QUOTE=Bluey;7131131]
I have not said anything about that, other than the HSUS is suing them, one more finger in their big pie.
Why?
Other than they openly declared war on animal agriculture, all of it, because their intent is to have a vegan world, you will have to ask them.:lol:
That Mr Callicrate named there is the one that invented and sells a better castrating tool, not exactly who you expect the HSUS to line up with.
Seriously, there is plenty of grass roots animosity against the beef board, for several reasons.
Some of that you read is propaganda from one or the other side.
For any one cattleman to align themselves with animal rights extremist because they want to fight the beef board, that is like a jewish person to align themselves with Hitler because at that time they both may have been against black people.:eek:
Kind of hard to figure some times where people come from, is it.:no:[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bluey;7131161]
You question my memory and you yourself has already conveniently forgotten all that very recent, still ongoing news about the IRS and what may have been and did go on in there?:no:
People are just now starting to connect the dots and that the complaints against the HSUS were ignored for years is part of that.
May pan out it was something to it, or not, but it is questionable and right that such be investigated.[/QUOTE]
Oh,I remember…lots of blame and name calling, trying to blame the White House. And then there was…nothing.
[QUOTE=JGHIRETIRE;7131176]
It sounds like the independent cattle producers do not want to go along with an industrialized system - that has nothing to do with animal rights/welfare or veganism. Sounds like they are trying to not get lost in the huge industrial machine.[/QUOTE]
Nope, that is what some would like to have you believe, but there is no base for that, the cattle industry is not about any “huge industrial machine” OR any “independent producers”.:lol:
There are always some rebels without a cause, no matter what we do.
Those following Mr Callicrate are few and just that, grumblers.
When he associated himself with the HSUS last spring, he lost much of the little support he had going for him, that was not that much anyway.
The beef board wants to, but doesn’t really represent much, the state boards are the ones that do the real work with all kinds of producers, that are not aligned in any one way.
Many are both, small producers in some ways, larger in others, having diversified operations.
The beef board was pushed on all by the government and so many just don’t like it representing them, but definitely would not go suing them, much less take the HSUS money and support to do so, what a thought, when the HSUS is on record as wanting to eliminate ALL of animal agriculture.:rolleyes:
I don’t have the foggiest idea what the pork board is.
All this is not horse related, better get back to horses and the animal rights extremist push to further their agenda of eliminating all uses of animals, one step at the time, here by the drive to BAN horse slaughter.:no:
Wait…Bluey brings up HSUS suing the beef and pork industry, then someone digs up the real reason for the suit but according to Bluey it’s a grumbler with no industry support and now we must get back to the regularly scheduled circular dumb-a$$ bu!!sh!t because someone proved her wrong. Priceless!
[QUOTE=LauraKY;7131140]
What are you babbling about? Who interfered with not for profits? The IRS? Are That’s their job, to make sure that they’re following the rules. There was no scandal…it was a typical Issa looking for a scandal. If there had been anything to it…you’d still be hearing about it.
Are you trying to claim that elected officials interfered with the IRS? Who, when and links and facts please.[/QUOTE]
You slept through the scandal, right! :lol:
Yes, they are supposed to check on them, not harass them and deny them their status because they don’t feel like it.
You know, groups with conservative values in their names, like patriot, or constitution, etc…you really don’t pay attention, do you! What makes you think they didn’t abuse their powers in other ways? One more won’t matter, they raked up a substantial list…a little bit of the HSUS evil bidding…all in a morning’s work.
[QUOTE=sunridge1;7131215]
Wait…Bluey brings up HSUS suing the beef and pork industry, then someone digs up the real reason for the suit but according to Bluey it’s a grumbler with no industry support and now we must get back to the regularly scheduled circular dumb-a$$ bu!!sh!t because someone proved her wrong. Priceless![/QUOTE]
No, that is not what happened, here, let me help you.
I posted about the HSUS suing the beef and pork associations as an example of all the places that, surprise, the HSUS is interfering with all we do with animals.
That example was for those here that still think they can convince others that the HSUS is only pushing for this BAN horse slaughter, but have not, perish the thought, other in their sights.:lol:
The Beef board is the equivalent as if the American Medical Association now is mandated by the government, by law, to have a “Medical Board” run by who the government designates and every doctor out there has to send that Medical Board, say, $25 for every patient it sees, every time it sees them.:eek:
Now, that Board is supposed to take all that money and spend it in promoting doctors, putting ads on TV about how good they are for you, etc.
As you can see, cattlemen by law being forced to pay someone every time cattle changed hands and all the paperwork that required, being fined even jailed if not doing so, well, that didn’t go over very well.
That Board was made law way back in 1985, if I remember right.
It didn’t only not go over well, since then, there are some that don’t like “guvernment” anyway and they have been fighting that tooth and nail.
Those the HSUS has latched onto as one more way to disrupt some we do with animals, any that will put their name out there.
No, that is not about any “big and small” producers, it is about government mandated programs and the discontent that caused and those that are still grumbling all these years later.
Those still furious about the government telling them who to pay to put out PR for them and those that are part of that Board, each one will fight for their position, if to keep the board or if it should be discontinued.
The rest of the industry goes :rolleyes: about it, will go along with whatever happens, be it play by the rules as they are mandated or good riddance if it is time for them to go, whatever.
The HSUS doesn’t has any earthly reason to be involved on that, other than whatever reasons they choose to invent.
That is one more place your donations to the HSUS for that cute, sad little kitten in the cage in the envelope asking for donations goes to, to help fight the beef board.:lol:
Oh Brother. :sigh:
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