[QUOTE=Guilherme;7122177]
The FACT that people are abandoning animals in large numbers is a BIG HINT that commercial slaughter is desperately needed.
G.[/QUOTE]
Um, sending your horses to slaughter is still an option in the country; at the exact same auctions, with the exact same buyers, the exact same trucks and trailers and all that jive.
Why do you all use this ridiculous, completely false statement over and over again? Are you drinking Sue Wallis’ Kool Aid?
Except the movement to ban slaughter will also ban the transport to slaughter. Who is going to buy the horses at the auctions?
[QUOTE=luvmytbs;7122386]
Um, sending your horses to slaughter is still an option in the country; at the exact same auctions, with the exact same buyers, the exact same trucks and trailers and all that jive.
Why do you all use this ridiculous, completely false statement over and over again? Are you drinking Sue Wallis’ Kool Aid?[/QUOTE]
Really?
Here, since the plants closed in 2007, many horse sales closed, there are very few left and people that want to sell a horse have to go several hundred miles somewhere else to get it sold.
Seems that closing the plants disrupted the horse trade greatly and concentrated the traders and horses in a few hands and places.
Many of those traders would make a circle from sale to sale, trade horses, most went for riding horses and eventually fill a load with those that they could not sell to take to the plants.
All that business is gone, the only horse trade left is the high end horses or the very low backyard ones and those are the ones that, without sales to trade them, are at times found in less than good conditions, the owners not having anywhere to go with them and little resources to feed them.
Changing the horse industry at that entry level was an intended consequence, part of the disruption animal rights extremists intend so as to eventually making having horses too hard to handle.
That is part of what this BAN horse slaughter drive by those groups is, just more, anything, to disrupt all we do with any and all animals.
[QUOTE=Guilherme;7122177]
Of course it doesn’t!!! No one with half a brain claims otherwise.
What the slaughter option does is permit people who can no longer keep a horse (for what ever reason) the opportunity to remove it from the current population at no cost to them (and perhaps even a modest gain). Face the fact that some horse owners face hard times and coming up with several hundred dollars for professional euthanasia and carcass disposal is a non-starter.
This will not deal with “hoarders,” but they are likely a minority (and a small one at that; folks tend to hoard cats or dogs, not horses). Indeed, the slaughter option would give rescues a viable channel to take care of their surplus animals.
The FACT that people are abandoning animals in large numbers is a BIG HINT that commercial slaughter is desperately needed.
G.[/QUOTE]
The people that are abandoning horses currently have slaughter as an option. It’s an auction away for them RIGHT NOW.
Next…
[QUOTE=sunridge1;7122446]
The people that are abandoning horses currently have slaughter as an option. It’s an auction away for them RIGHT NOW.
Next…[/QUOTE]
Wrong, there are areas like ours where there are no traders to take them to slaughter and you can’t give a horse away.
Multiply that by many such places and you will find that there are many horses out there in less than ideal conditions.
The now three year old drought in the SW is not helping any.
You really think that you can disrupt a market as the closing of the plants did and not have any consequences?:no:
A slaughter BAN will only add another 100,000+ to those horses, every year, for some years to come.
[QUOTE=Guilherme;7122177]
Of course it doesn’t!!! No one with half a brain claims otherwise.
What the slaughter option does is permit people who can no longer keep a horse (for what ever reason) the opportunity to remove it from the current population at no cost to them (and perhaps even a modest gain). Face the fact that some horse owners face hard times and coming up with several hundred dollars for professional euthanasia and carcass disposal is a non-starter.
This will not deal with “hoarders,” but they are likely a minority (and a small one at that; folks tend to hoard cats or dogs, not horses). Indeed, the slaughter option would give rescues a viable channel to take care of their surplus animals.
The FACT that people are abandoning animals in large numbers is a BIG HINT that commercial slaughter is desperately needed.
G.[/QUOTE]
I keep hearing about all these “abandoned” horses, but frankly can’t think of a single instance east of the Mississippi where it has happened and made the news.
Is this one of those “urban myths” that everyone believes but no one can provide evidence for? Seems to me the primary DOCUMENTED cases of “abandonment” are the KB’s dumping them at the border when they’re rejected by the plants!
I think this is just another really overplayed “card.”
The loyal opposition be getting shrill, methinks . . .
Wrong!
Sent to slaughter in Mexico via Presidio, TX:
July 1st, 2013:
O’Dwyer, Nocona, TX - 32 horses - $ 12,304.40
B&D Livestock, Chico, TX - 32 horses - $ 12,107.60
July 3rd, 2013:
O’Dwyer, Nocona, TX - 38 horses - $ 10,629.36
Bill Richardson, Whitesboro, TX - 32 horses - $ 14,227.20
McDaniel & Son, Brookston, TX - 34 horses - $ 7,732.50
Bill Richardson, Whitesboro, TX - 32 horses - $ 15,655.50
J&R Horses, Forney, TX - 37 horses - $ 10,349.64
July 8th, 2013:
McDaniel & Son, Brookston, TX - 34 horses - $ 8,356.50
O’Dwyer, Nocona, TX - 38 horses - $ 10,642.32
July 9th, 2013:
Jimmy Fowler, Mabank, TX - 40 horses - $ 8,448.00
O’Dwyer, Nocona, TX - 31 horses - $ 11,670.75
O’Dwyer, Nocona, TX - 33 horses - $ 11,417.83
McDaniel & Son, Brookston, TX - 33 horses - $ 8,787.15
Bill Richardson, Whitesboro, TX - 32 horses - $ 15,138.55
And it goes on and on and on…
[QUOTE=luvmytbs;7122619]
Wrong!
Sent to slaughter in Mexico via Presidio, TX:
July 1st, 2013:
O’Dwyer, Nocona, TX - 32 horses - $ 12,304.40
B&D Livestock, Chico, TX - 32 horses - $ 12,107.60
July 3rd, 2013:
O’Dwyer, Nocona, TX - 38 horses - $ 10,629.36
Bill Richardson, Whitesboro, TX - 32 horses - $ 14,227.20
McDaniel & Son, Brookston, TX - 34 horses - $ 7,732.50
Bill Richardson, Whitesboro, TX - 32 horses - $ 15,655.50
J&R Horses, Forney, TX - 37 horses - $ 10,349.64
July 8th, 2013:
McDaniel & Son, Brookston, TX - 34 horses - $ 8,356.50
O’Dwyer, Nocona, TX - 38 horses - $ 10,642.32
July 9th, 2013:
Jimmy Fowler, Mabank, TX - 40 horses - $ 8,448.00
O’Dwyer, Nocona, TX - 31 horses - $ 11,670.75
O’Dwyer, Nocona, TX - 33 horses - $ 11,417.83
McDaniel & Son, Brookston, TX - 33 horses - $ 8,787.15
Bill Richardson, Whitesboro, TX - 32 horses - $ 15,138.55
And it goes on and on and on…[/QUOTE]
Don’t know what you think you prove with that, since none are even close to our area by several hundred miles and many hours of driving.:no:
[QUOTE=Guilherme;7122177]
Of course it doesn’t!!! No one with half a brain claims otherwise.
What the slaughter option does is permit people who can no longer keep a horse (for what ever reason) the opportunity to remove it from the current population at no cost to them (and perhaps even a modest gain). Face the fact that some horse owners face hard times and coming up with several hundred dollars for professional euthanasia and carcass disposal is a non-starter.
This will not deal with “hoarders,” but they are likely a minority (and a small one at that; folks tend to hoard cats or dogs, not horses). Indeed, the slaughter option would give rescues a viable channel to take care of their surplus animals.
The FACT that people are abandoning animals in large numbers is a BIG HINT that commercial slaughter is desperately needed.
G.[/QUOTE]
There AREN"T people abandoning horses in large numbers, because of no slaughter. Slaughter is available now…Bluey…we get horses shipped from WI to Mex thru here all of the time. You are closer than WI. If people wanted their horses to go to slaughter/auction, those options are avail now.
The stories in the paper about the huge increase in abandoned horses were debunked. The most publicized one, in KY were proven to have owners that turned them out yearly on an abandoned strip mine.
If those people are so hard up that they can’t afford to euth (a bullet is cheap), then they probably SHOULD kill and eat them themselves, as they probably could use a freezer full of meat. But I’m sure if you told them that, they’d be horrified. Because they either aren’t aware there are kill buyers at auction, they know the horse is full of drugs, or they don’t want to have to actually accept the horse will go to slaughter so they bury their head in the sand. Generally the people sending to slaughter have TV, cable, internet, and all of the niceties for themselves, and are just greedy and lazy, and don’t give a crap about the horse, but just want the 50.00. Or they are unethical KBers that go around picking up FTGH horses and lie to them about their intentions, so they can make a quick buck.
Rescues are not in the practice of sending to slaughter.
[QUOTE=Lady Eboshi;7122519]
I keep hearing about all these “abandoned” horses, but frankly can’t think of a single instance east of the Mississippi where it has happened and made the news.
Is this one of those “urban myths” that everyone believes but no one can provide evidence for? Seems to me the primary DOCUMENTED cases of “abandonment” are the KB’s dumping them at the border when they’re rejected by the plants!
I think this is just another really overplayed “card.”
The loyal opposition be getting shrill, methinks . . .[/QUOTE]
There is evidence that in certain rural areas the abandoned horses are used for target practice now…No one is going to report that…I hear that from Missouri, Tennessee, Kentucky, Wyoming, Colorado Montana to name a few
Auctions usually have security at their parking lots as people would bring horss and just dump them…or run them through and not have enough money to pay the fee’s Or not sell them and just leave them. Now…you arrive with a horse…you have to have a stamp to get your unit out of the lot.
That is what the dumping is all about
[QUOTE=jetsmom;7122650]
There AREN"T people abandoning horses in large numbers, because of no slaughter. Slaughter is available now…Bluey…we get horses shipped from WI to Mex thru here all of the time. You are closer than WI. If people wanted their horses to go to slaughter/auction, those options are avail now.
The stories in the paper about the huge increase in abandoned horses were debunked. The most publicized one, in KY were proven to have owners that turned them out yearly on an abandoned strip mine.
If those people are so hard up that they can’t afford to euth (a bullet is cheap), then they probably SHOULD kill and eat them themselves, as they probably could use a freezer full of meat. But I’m sure if you told them that, they’d be horrified. Because they either aren’t aware there are kill buyers at auction, they know the horse is full of drugs, or they don’t want to have to actually accept the horse will go to slaughter so they bury their head in the sand. Generally the people sending to slaughter have TV, cable, internet, and all of the niceties for themselves, and are just greedy and lazy, and don’t give a crap about the horse, but just want the 50.00. Or they are unethical KBers that go around picking up FTGH horses and lie to them about their intentions, so they can make a quick buck.
Rescues are not in the practice of sending to slaughter.[/QUOTE]
Gas…$35.-- and auction fees usually around $25.00 and up …at $50.00 they LOST money.
The greedy and lazy analogy has been disproven so many times (just ask the cable visions how many they shut off 2009-2010)…
Those are old old old stories.
[QUOTE=Fairfax;7122651]
There is evidence that in certain rural areas the abandoned horses are used for target practice now…No one is going to report that…I hear that from Missouri, Tennessee, Kentucky, Wyoming, Colorado Montana to name a few
Auctions usually have security at their parking lots as people would bring horss and just dump them…or run them through and not have enough money to pay the fee’s Or not sell them and just leave them. Now…you arrive with a horse…you have to have a stamp to get your unit out of the lot.
That is what the dumping is all about[/QUOTE]
Oh noooooo, not again!:rolleyes:
You better present that evidence and do it fast, so we can call all the authorities in KY - again - and have a good laugh with them - again. :lol:
More unsubstantiated statements. Kind of like the “RARAs threw firecrackers at horses at a SH, scaring them”. Then when questioned, it was, “Well, maybe it was kids…”, then when asked for some kind of newspaper report, or something, there was silence. Why don’t you post proof that that is happening in MO, TN, KY, WY, CO and MT? Surely one of your FB friend’s have sent you links to news articles about it…
Then there was the “Animal Angels” accusation that wasn’t true. Wrong name.
Then you say, auctions are overflowing because there are so many unwanted horses, and your buddy Bluey, says “with no slaughter, we no longer have an auction/KBers”.
[QUOTE=Bluey;7122646]
Don’t know what you think you prove with that, since none are even close to our area by several hundred miles and many hours of driving.:no:[/QUOTE]
Boohoo…Poor Baby.
Maybe you need to open your own slaughter plant then.
There were some abandoned NE of here, one caused a fatal wreck on the highway, a lady was killed when she hit one of the horses.
I know several places in AZ where horses were abandoned.
I know the people that rounded them up with the sheriff.
It doesn’t matter how far horses travel or don’t travel when hauled by traders.
If no one comes here to hold sales but rarely and trade horses, it doesn’t matter if we are closer or further from any other place.:no:
The horse trade was disrupted by the closing of the plants and no one can dispute that, but of course those that worked so hard for the closing before and are at that again now pushing the animal rights extremist agenda to BAN horse slaughter only want to hear what suits their propaganda.
[QUOTE=luvmytbs;7122669]
Boohoo…Poor Baby.
Maybe you need to open your own slaughter plant then.[/QUOTE]
Really?:no:
[QUOTE=Bluey;7122679]
Really?:no:[/QUOTE]
Yeah, really. You are the one complaining - see above.
And obviously - in your and others’ opinion - the plants are needed everywhere.
[QUOTE=Bluey;7122438]
Really?
Here, since the plants closed in 2007, many horse sales closed, there are very few left and people that want to sell a horse have to go several hundred miles somewhere else to get it sold.
Seems that closing the plants disrupted the horse trade greatly and concentrated the traders and horses in a few hands and places.
Many of those traders would make a circle from sale to sale, trade horses, most went for riding horses and eventually fill a load with those that they could not sell to take to the plants.
All that business is gone, the only horse trade left is the high end horses or the very low backyard ones and those are the ones that, without sales to trade them, are at times found in less than good conditions, the owners not having anywhere to go with them and little resources to feed them.
Changing the horse industry at that entry level was an intended consequence, part of the disruption animal rights extremists intend so as to eventually making having horses too hard to handle.
That is part of what this BAN horse slaughter drive by those groups is, just more, anything, to disrupt all we do with any and all animals.[/QUOTE]
Have you been sleeping through the financial crisis? To blame the glut in the horse industry on lack of slaughter in the US is specious at best.
[QUOTE=luvmytbs;7122687]
Yeah, really. You are the one complaining - see above.
And obviously - in your and others’ opinion - the plants are needed everywhere.[/QUOTE]
No, that was not my point at all.
This is not about the plants themselves.
This is about the animal rights extremist push to BAN, now horse slaughter, then keep disrupting any and all we do with animals, to eventually eliminate all we do with animals, so there are no more “enslaved” animals in human hands.
That is what the 2007 closing of the plants was part of, divide and conquer, disrupt and make harder to have any animals.
That is what this push for this BAN horse slaughter is.
[QUOTE=sunridge1;7122713]
Have you been sleeping through the financial crisis? To blame the glut in the horse industry on lack of slaughter in the US is specious at best.[/QUOTE]
Oh contrary…
Bluey has been one of the few vocal ones back then before the plants closed, telling how it would turn out.
Now, be so kind…do not blame the economy for it.
Yes, it was an aggravating factor…but - drum roll please - had the market not already been interrupted, things would have looked a little less bleak.
Aren’t you glad the economy tanked?!
It’s getting you so much closer to a horseless society so much quicker!
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