Tell Congress to Pass the SAFE Act Banning Horse Slaughter (different petition)

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=sunridge1;7122713]
Have you been sleeping through the financial crisis? To blame the glut in the horse industry on lack of slaughter in the US is specious at best.[/QUOTE]

Wrong, while there are many factors to any that happens, that the plants were closed was not without significance and definitively not “specious at best”.

Of course, those that saw their big victory closing the plants be such a failure would not want to admit to it, never have, never will.
Worse, here they go again, lets try for this BAN horse slaughter agenda again, surely this time we can win, at any cost.

[Fairfax]

My concern is the manner with which they are trying to sneak in TRANSPORTATION of horses…They will say…we had nothing to do wi8th contractors going out of rodeo business (the small ones) That is just unfortunate…but that is the point…eliminate the right to use.

Stick horses for rodeo’s yahoo

When SHARK is behind the new anti transportation bill you gotta know there is more to it. All of the extremists are starting to feel empowered but they still are not honest as to who they are because if they are successful and the whole thing tanks in their face…they will NEVER even say whoops…they will crawl back in their holes and look for their next victims.

[sunridge1]

[QUOTE=Bluey;7122724]
Wrong, while there are many factors to any that happens, that the plants were closed was not without significance and definitively not “specious at best”.

Of course, those that saw their big victory closing the plants be such a failure would not want to admit to it, never have, never will.
Worse, here they go again, lets try for this BAN horse slaughter agenda again, surely this time we can win, at any cost.[/QUOTE]

You most certainly can’t blame lost jobs/homes on slaughter closure. That loss is the single biggest reason for the glut in the horse market, as slaughter is still available. I’d say that your argument is indeed specious or disingenuous.

[jetsmom]

[QUOTE=Alagirl;7122720]
Oh contrary…
Bluey has been one of the few vocal ones back then before the plants closed, telling how it would turn out.
Now, be so kind…do not blame the economy for it.
Yes, it was an aggravating factor…but - drum roll please - had the market not already been interrupted, things would have looked a little less bleak.

Aren’t you glad the economy tanked?!
It’s getting you so much closer to a horseless society so much quicker![/QUOTE]

The same number of horses from the US are being slaughtered as when the SH’s were open in the US.

[ThreeFigs]

[QUOTE=LauraKY;7121623]
You can’t send dogs and cats to slaughter. They’re property.[/QUOTE]

OK, maybe I’m just too tired to make sense of this statement – but HORSES are property and THEY can be sent to slaughter, right? Just not in this country. They have to be sent across the border to be slaughtered – in the most inhumane way.

[wonderhorseguy]

What is the Plan?

[QUOTE=jetsmom;7122814]
The same number of horses from the US are being slaughtered as when the SH’s were open in the US.[/QUOTE]Laws like this would ban the transport of these horses to slaughter. What will happen to these horses at that point? There is no plan in place that I am aware of to take care of these horses once they can no longer be sent for processing. The cry stop breeding will have no effect as these horses already are on the ground. As has been asked many times, what is the plan?

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=wonderhorseguy;7122940]
Laws like this would ban the transport of these horses to slaughter. What will happen to these horses at that point? There is no plan in place that I am aware of to take care of these horses once they can no longer be sent for processing. The cry stop breeding will have no effect as these horses already are on the ground. As has been asked many times, what is the plan?[/QUOTE]

Of course, those horses are not animal rights extremist problems, they consider them, have stated so, “incidental casualties”.

One animal rights extremist poster wrote right on COTH it would be ok with her if humans disappeared off the face of the earth, so no one would be left to abuse animals.:eek:
What kind of crazy does it take to say that?

With that kind of mentality, why do you expect those animal rights extremists pushing for this ban to CARE what happens to the animals, those horses?
The horses are mere props here, could be the use of any other animals they are fighting, “collateral damage” is expected in their quest for their goal, as we were told in 2007 when the plants closed and are told now.

THERE IS NO PLAN, this is not about the real world and real horses.
Animal rights extremists are following an ideology that is pushed on all: “No more animal slaves and none too soon for me!” is their cry.:no:

You can see some are still insisting the closing of the plants didn’t disrupt the horse world, because horses are still sent to slaughter.
They don’t understand what “disruption” means, that so many places stopped sales, that traders didn’t come around trading any more, that they constricted that part of the industry into the hands of a few, that then they blame for handling those slaughter bound horses wholesale, horses that before were handled by many traders a few at the time.
Unintended consequences came to bite, but they will never admit that, they don’t care about any such, is beneath them, their lofty goals are bigger, don’t bother them with details.

Well, here we are, back with the animal rights extremist push to eliminate all we do, starting with BAN horse slaughter, the easy pickings, what else is new.:rolleyes:

Remember, the same animal rights extremists here are those that have spent decades now harassing the circus, as per the judge that ruled in the lawsuit:

Re ASPCA v. Feld “… this court concludes this case was groundless and unreasonable from its inception.”
"… the court finds that this lawsuit was, from the beginning, frivolous and vexatious.”
US District Court Judge, Washington DC

I wish someone would take them to court in the name of all in the horse world.:yes:

[wildlifer]

Whew, I’m getting dizzy from watching all these circles! Someone needs some courses in logic.

Poor Bluey, you need to work on your humour – it WOULD be awesome if people disappeared from the planet!! But seriously, how could anyone take such a suggestion as anything else but a wistful joke?? It’s not like one could actually achieve such a goal. We all have our fantasies.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=wildlifer;7123262]
Whew, I’m getting dizzy from watching all these circles! Someone needs some courses in logic.

Poor Bluey, you need to work on your humour – it WOULD be awesome if people disappeared from the planet!! But seriously, how could anyone take such a suggestion as anything else but a wistful joke?? It’s not like one could actually achieve such a goal. We all have our fantasies.[/QUOTE]

That is the sad part, it was not a joke, but stated very seriously, right after she came back from an HSUS convention.

[jenm]

[QUOTE=jetsmom;7122814]
The same number of horses from the US are being slaughtered as when the SH’s were open in the US.[/QUOTE]

We have all been posting this tidbit on pretty much every thread about slaughter. I have yet to see it be acknowledged…

I guess some people only comprehend something they feel they can argue about. There’s no arguing that can be done with this one so it’s left lone.

[Fairfax]

[QUOTE=wildlifer;7123262]
Whew, I’m getting dizzy from watching all these circles! Someone needs some courses in logic.

Poor Bluey, you need to work on your humour – it WOULD be awesome if people disappeared from the planet!! But seriously, how could anyone take such a suggestion as anything else but a wistful joke?? It’s not like one could actually achieve such a goal. We all have our fantasies.[/QUOTE]

I am curious…why would it be awesome?

I am receiving emails from HSUS CRYING for more money…this is our last stand…get the word out…all of our supporters…go to your favourite forums and post…

That is why we have the same individuals creating new threads trying desperately to rally any possible troops

[Fairfax]

[QUOTE=jenm;7123316]
We have all been posting this tidbit on pretty much every thread about slaughter. I have yet to see it be acknowledged…

I guess some people only comprehend something they feel they can argue about. There’s no arguing that can be done with this one so it’s left lone.[/QUOTE]

Look no further…the same number have been sent to slaughter DESPITE the alleged downturn in equine meat consumption in the E.U. France is down around 70%…only Belgium increased…so that means that despite the downturn…either those consuming are purchasing more OR other markets are creating a demand. Asia for one.

There is another factor. There are only so many that can be slaughtered without having to expand the plants to process more.

The Canadian plants seem to be happy with their niche and their amounts.

I do not know what is happening in Mexico as per expansion of existing plants or creating new ones.

I think many are waiting to see what happens in the U.S.

The documentation required to transport horses will be a nightmare and that is what the actrivists want. The Toronto Royal has trainers arrive with 10-15 head of horses…from the U.S…possible they will just eliminate going to foreign shows…but this will also impact ALL Olympic contenders who must go to foreign shows…it is more work and money for the paper trail

They will deny it is to stop horse ownership but the more barriers they can produce will create a negative thought about horse ownership and they will turn to tennis, skiing etc.

[Fairfax]

With their chances for a legislative victory slipping as the deadline approaches, HSUS has turned to the federal courts to block horse slaughter. On June 28th, FSIS issued a grant of inspection to Valley Meat Co., a Roswell, NM-based equine packing plant. FSIS also issued a grant of inspection to Responsible Transportation, LLC, a Sigourney, IA-based horse slaughter plant. Within five days, HSUS had filed suit in a San Francisco federal court to block FSIS from proceeding with its plans to allow horse slaughter to re-commence in the United States. The case, Front Range Equine Rescue v. Vilsack (No. 1:13-cv-00639-MCA-RHS), has since been transferred to the federal court in Albuquerque, NM.

HSUS argues that the decision to re-commence horse slaughter in the United States constitutes a major federal action and, as such, FSIS was required to conduct an environmental review under the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA). Without question, this is a desperate attempt to delay USDA from providing inspectors to the point that the financially-strained horse slaughter plants are forced to shutter. However, HSUS has gotten traction on this argument in the past (see HSUS v. Johanns, 2007 WL 1120404 (D.D.C.)). If HSUS succeeds on this matter, then FSIS will be forced to conduct an environmental assessment (EA) and possibly put together an environmental impact statement (EIS) prior to inspecting horses for slaughter. After FSIS has delivered its EA or EIS, HSUS will have an opportunity to litigate the validity of those documents too. This can draw out the NEPA process to 2 to 5 years.

However, USDA has issued press releases acknowledging that it would prefer to not commence horse slaughter. Secretary Vilsack has opined that he desires an alternative, such as adopting out the annual 150,000-plus supply of unwanted horses to veterans suffering from PTSD. Based on these statements, I believe USDA would hardly be disappointed if a federal court tied its hands on the horse slaughter matter. And it’s hardly out of the question that a “sweetheart settlement” is in the works in light of what we saw between the EPA and environmental groups in the 2008 CAFO Rule and the Chesapeake Bay TMDL.

Two essential things are missing from this fight: the broader animal ag industry and financial resources. Animal agriculture stands to lose much by remaining on the sidelines in this case. An unfavorable decision on the NEPA matter could mean that HSUS and its allies could burden the next slaughter plant with NEPA-borne bureaucratic red tape that could hinder the industry’s ability to promptly respond to changes in the marketplace

Former Congressman Charlie Stenholm

Shedrow which is anti slaughter is going on full steam

They are trying to discredit ALL natives who agree that 75,000 horses are damaging the environment by quoting ONE CHIEFwho claims they never ate horse meat. History discredits that claim

Here is another gem from Shedrow…truly demonstrates a desperatation

Moving right along to the pair of ankles that are normally dangling out of Slaughterhouse Suey’s expansive ass; let’s touch base with Douchebag Duquette. He hasn’t had a lot to say for himself this week either. I suspect it’s because Puppymill Patterson has been too busy to ghost write for him, so he has mostly stuck to posting up action alerts and links.

I guess that getting personal is the only way to go when you are losing.

Page after page after page…GOA study discredited by John Holland…Slaughter plants will torture horses if reopened…

But NO SOLUTIONS other than the market is starting to pick up and therefore homes can be found…HUH???

This is where our little band of posting troopers is getting their enlightened information from

http://shedrowconfessions.wordpress.com/2013/07/

Sounds good and even plausible until one truly reads the blog and then they realize NO SOLUTIONS…sure give a vetran a horse will save…ah…TEN…or maybe even TWENTY and THAT WOULD BE GREAT…

But it totally ignores all of the rest…149,980 …

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=jenm;7123316]
We have all been posting this tidbit on pretty much every thread about slaughter. I have yet to see it be acknowledged…

I guess some people only comprehend something they feel they can argue about. There’s no arguing that can be done with this one so it’s left lone.[/QUOTE]

Oh, but you are wrong there, it is your side that has never acknowledged that, while we know that is so, that is immaterial to the problems at hand of all that closing the plants disrupted in the horse industry as it was before the closing.

To ignore the real consequences of the closing of the plants just gives those an excuse to say what you state there, “but they are still slaughtering many”, so anything else doesn’t matter.
Well, it does matter, sorry to break the news to you.

The reality here is that animal rights extremists did get the plants closed in 2007 and disrupted the horse industry very much, as they intended, as that is what they want, to eventually eliminate any use of horses.

Now here we are, another animal rights extremist drive to try to BAN something, horse slaughter this time, then on to the next, carriage horses, eventing, whatever they want to pick next.
The world is their oyster, as long as the gullible public, still thinking they are donating to those groups to “help” animals keep doing so, not realizing they are donating to hep lobby to eliminate that we may have animals at all.:no:

[whiskey]

[QUOTE=Guilherme;7120722]
Or, in the alternative, remove your rose colored glasses and observe the horrid results of previous bans.

Like Prohibition, the end of equine slaughter promises a brave, new world but in reality will likely mean agony for tens of thousands of horses wasting away in back yards and obscure pastures.

There are things worse than death.

G.[/QUOTE]

Amen. And I’ve seen them.

[ThreeFigs]

Bluey and Fairfax are correct. The RARA’s and Anti-slaughter crowd are misanthropes. Strangely, however, they don’t seem to want what’s best for the animals they claim to care about.

What would happen to our pets if somehow pet ownership were outlawed? If animal ownership equates with “animal slavery”, what happens when we “free” all the animals?

I do believe this is the ultimate goal of these animal activists. I consider them the enemies of animals, not their advocates.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=ThreeFigs;7123516]
Bluey and Fairfax are correct. The RARA’s and Anti-slaughter crowd are misanthropes. Strangely, however, they don’t seem to want what’s best for the animals they claim to care about.

What would happen to our pets if somehow pet ownership were outlawed? If animal ownership equates with “animal slavery”, what happens when we “free” all the animals?

I do believe this is the ultimate goal of these animal activists. I consider them the enemies of animals, not their advocates.[/QUOTE]

That’s it, in a nutshell.

Yes, yes, they are hurrying to try to put their pretty “we are for the welfare of animals” face, but scratch the surface and animal rights extremist, out to make all animals off limits to humans, is what you find.

[jenm]

[QUOTE=ThreeFigs;7123516]
Bluey and Fairfax are correct. The RARA’s and Anti-slaughter crowd are misanthropes. Strangely, however, they don’t seem to want what’s best for the animals they claim to care about.

What would happen to our pets if somehow pet ownership were outlawed? If animal ownership equates with “animal slavery”, what happens when we “free” all the animals?

I do believe this is the ultimate goal of these animal activists. I consider them the enemies of animals, not their advocates.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bluey;7123680]That’s it, in a nutshell.

Yes, yes, they are hurrying to try to put their pretty “we are for the welfare of animals” face, but scratch the surface and animal rights extremist, out to make all animals off limits to humans, is what you find.[/QUOTE]

For the millionth time, not everyone opposed to slaughter is an animal rights extremist. NONE of the regular posters against slaughter belong to or support RARA groups. As a matter of fact, we all agree on what the ultimate agenda is. What Bluey has yet to prove is how closing the plants a few years ago got them closer to realizing their goal and why not allowing it to return gets them any closer to that goal. The reason why she can’t prove it, is because it did nothing to prove they had any sort of power at all, and never will.

Despite what you all believe, unless RARA’s are the only humans allowed to procreate and the take over the U.S., There will never be enough RARA’s around to see that goal to fruition.

Being against slaughter does not automatically mean someone is a RARA, despite what Bluey wants to believe.

I’m pretty sure there are more animal WELFARE groups opposed to slaughter than there are animal extremist groups.

Why the pro slaughter folks on these threads are unable to separate the two, baffles me.

:sigh:

[Lynnwood]

So if Jen there is a clear line in the sand then how do those non RaRa’s and welfare groups plan to oppose slaughter while protecting horse use and ownership.

Someone brought up the murky way things were written about horse transportation.

Do those groups have a plan to defend the horses against what we all know the radical groups agendas are especially considering that those groups clearly have a front seat and an active pen in the legislation being written.

If there is a plan for the surplus horses and IF there is a plan to prevent these groups from writing dangerous legislation that we all agree is their agenda PLEASE fill me in.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=jenm;7123903]
For the millionth time, not everyone opposed to slaughter is an animal rights extremist. NONE of the regular posters against slaughter belong to or support RARA groups. As a matter of fact, we all agree on what the ultimate agenda is. What Bluey has yet to prove is how closing the plants a few years ago got them closer to realizing their goal and why not allowing it to return gets them any closer to that goal. The reason why she can’t prove it, is because it did nothing to prove they had any sort of power at all, and never will.

Despite what you all believe, unless RARA’s are the only humans allowed to procreate and the take over the U.S., There will never be enough RARA’s around to see that goal to fruition.

Being against slaughter does not automatically mean someone is a RARA, despite what Bluey wants to believe.

I’m pretty sure there are more animal WELFARE groups opposed to slaughter than there are animal extremist groups.

Why the pro slaughter folks on these threads is unable to separate the two, baffles me.

:sigh:[/QUOTE]

Again, to make this as clear as possible:

Animal rights extremists are all for BAN horse slaughter.
They are the ones that are pushing for it, their money and other resources behind it
There are not any “animal welfare groups” pushing for the BAN horse slaughter drive that are not fronts for animal rights extremist, when you look closely at them.

Animal welfare is doing whatever we do, including slaughter, the best we can do it, not banning and definitively not going at shotgun approaches to what we do with animals as this BAN horse slaughter is, the heck with any consequences.
That is not animal welfare, because it is definitely not going to help any horses it will leave stranded, as the 2007 closing of the plants did.

Sorry, animal rights extremist are pushing for a BAN of all we do with animals.
The BAN horse slaughter is just one more of many fronts where they are pushing.
That is is easy to see, if you look at all where they have their fingers in.

Read the links provided that have their own words there.

When someone tells you who they are, believe them.