Tell Congress to Pass the SAFE Act Banning Horse Slaughter (different petition)

[JGHIRETIRE]

The BS on this board means absolutely nothing in the scheme of things.
Instead of trying to fixing anything it just ends up being a bunch of insulting and shouting. A complete waste of time. It’s a bunch of bullying and shouting down people that think differently. No wonder it ends up just being a few people that dare say anything. They certainly don’t stay for long.

[QUOTE=Bluey;7127604]
I don’t know what you mean with “all this BS”, but if you mean that we don’t let animal rights extremist advance their agenda of eliminating all uses of animals, for us what matters on this forum is horses, I think that “yes, all this matters”.

Some may not like slaughter, or racing , or gaited horses, or eventing, or rescues, or … or … or … but it OUGHT to matter that we can have our say to explain what and why we do what we do.

It matters that not only animal rights extremist get to come push their agenda here, that other voices be heard, as many times as necessary.
If you have anything to do with or about horses, which is assumed we do, if posting here, on a horse forum, it SHOULD matter to you.:yes:[/QUOTE]

[Fairfax]

Would you prefer the quote came from me?

Having been involved with PETA and having watched HSUS I thought I saw a kinder face on HSUS

Until I watched them seize horses for a training exercise for their staff and I watched them encourage their rescue groupies to falsify pictures and I watched the documented lies they had a witness who they were secretly funneling money to through a legal firm and they now employ those two lawyers etc.

I realized they are liars with an agenda. When they tell us they have staff who love their horseys…they are not lying…they know the image they must project but they must also protect it.

That is why they encourage Shedrow and her groupies to stand firm…and post post post…but they also help susidize DEFHR and others to spread the word…make contacts both local and international and try and sneak horse care conditions into law using UDavis…Parisio versus UDavis

Wayne is very strong with his Vegan core especially in Hollywood where his wife hangs out and runs the LA office.

We have posted the pension he is going to receive…by why bother now because he is a very young man and ALL expenses are paid for by HSUS including his mortgage.

I find it ironic he has his minions condemn Humanwatch for soliciting funds from corporations and yet…ye…Wayne…milks the America public dry each and every day.

We understand the concept of good cop bad cop and that is the pETA versus HSUS involvement. They are wary of each other however BOTH want to restrict animal use

Peta wants to remove animals from human interaction but HSUS because it is not in your face is more sinister.

This anti slaughter thread is a common example

He will NOT try and remove horses from us…taking reins out of our dead fingers. He will remove piece by piece ownership rights. Many of you have no idea how close NAIS came into being…finally horse owners realized if they were just going to take their horse to the favourite trail, by trailer…they were going to have to pre plan AND file paperwork…same with a trip to the vet…to the stud farm.

Many horse owners said “the other side was over reacting” NO government could enforce it…Thankfully there were those who saw ALL of the problems and beat it.

Well…HSUS was pro NAIS. They kept a low profile however their mode is to create division…split the forces and then go after the weaker one. The felt that slaughter was the weaker one…they were and are wrong…

They quietly use those 52 lawyers (I posted an update that accounted for the extra) to look for loopholes. Look at the legislation for this current petition…STOP the transportation out of the country of any group of horses. That would include the Olynpic team going to Spruce Meadows…oh…they are not going to actually stop them…just have a bunch of paperwork to file…and maybe permits to purchase. But it will make owners reconsider whether or not to purchase a couple of horses for breeding or usage and bring them into Canada. It will stop big trainers who bring 15 or more horses to the Toronto Royal of the Arabian Horse Canadian Nationals…as the shows cut back…so does interest in horses…

Try get laws or ownership licenses in place. On ABN a newbie was trying to sell the idea under a guise of…gosh, golly gee…I think this would help the over population of horses by bad back yard breeders like the one I just conventiently met … a license to purchase a horse…to breed, to own stallions etc.

They won’t try and stop you…but they will make it more expensive AND just another pain in the butt for paper work.

As shows and ownership become more expensive as things do…NEW people will look at the costs AND license fees AND And And…okay…they get a boat…license fees…but they don’t have to feed it and they can dry shore it during the off season…same with their skis, roller blades, tennis rackets…

I have already viewed a shift in ownership over the past ten years…and from the ten years prior to that. Where we lived off the Banff Coach Road in Calgary is now a housing development overlooking Calgary. Where we used to trail ride up the road is now packed like inner city and the acreage folk are long gone…taxes too high…and an anti horse poop sentiment.

No fun just riding in your arena or around your property. We had Western Riders (for everyone) and we rode every Sunday morning and every second Sunday we also had a BBQ.

No longer…it is a BMW race track.

Horse ownership is very expensive. Land here is very expensive. So people don’t just get a pony for the kids any more…and kids don’t want one…they would rather go to their computer or hang out with friends.

Take what is occuring naturally and then add in a few fees and registrations and government controls and you have the perfect storm…reduced horse ownership…reduced say with government

No less than Olds Ag College have done studies on this as they teach equine classes and they have a sport horse division. They are concerned about costs and the average person.

So…up at five…I guess my concerns are shared by many of my peers. I am fortunate that I have my own hay…and property…to house 15 Saddlebreds. In ten years I am not sure if that will be possible.

[wonderhorseguy]

[QUOTE=up-at-5;7127959]
Priceless! Thanks for the chuckle. :lol:
I’m waiting for 2023, ten years from now when the great FF says the average horse owner will no longer own horses. Not sure what his version of “average” means…maybe average as he knows and lives?[/QUOTE]Ignorance is bliss.

[LauraKY]

A response from my letter:

Dear Ms. LauraKY:

Thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding H.R. 1094, the Safeguard American Food Exports Act (SAFE Act). Your communication is a vital part of our legislative process, and I appreciate hearing your thoughts on this issue.

Upon being sworn into Congress, one of my first actions was to join the Congressional Horse Caucus. I look forward to working with my colleagues in this caucus to monitor legislative activity impacting horses and the equine industry, a signature industry of the Sixth District and the Commonwealth of Kentucky.

Rep. Pat Meehan (PA-7) introduced H.R. 1094, the Safeguard American Food Exports Act on March 12, 2013. This legislation would prohibit the sale or transport of horses for the purposes of slaughter for human consumptionand has been referred to both the House Energy and Commerce and House Agriculture Committees.

I applaud Rep. Meehan for introducing legislation that aims to protect horses from abuse. As you know, horse slaughter plants currently do not operate in the United States. This leads horses to often times be crammed into trucks meant for cattle and hauled for long distances and across our borders to be sold for slaughter. These horses are forced to endure cramped conditions, often for long periods without food, water or rest. I do not believe that horses, Kentucky’s signature animal, should be subjected to such inhumane conditions or treatment.

I am proud to represent Kentucky’s Sixth Congressional District, which is home to Fayette, Bourbon, and Woodford counties—collectively referred to as the “Horse Capital of the World.” Studies demonstrate that over 320,200 horses currently reside in the Sixth District and throughout the Commonwealth. Rest assured I will give your views every consideration should measures protecting horses, including the SAFE Act, come to the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives for a vote.

Thank you again for taking the time to contact me about this important issue. Please visit my website or contact me again should other issues of concern to you come before the Congress. To stay better connected to current legislation and become part of our online community, please sign up for my e-newsletter at www.barr.house.gov.

Sincerely,

Andy Barr

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=LauraKY;7128384]
A response from my letter:[/QUOTE]

What entered my mind, is that a form letter everyone gets?

Also, would his response have been the same if your letter, that I assume is for passing that bill, regardless of it’s merits and de-merits, was against it?

Just wondering.

[Fairfax]

I was more amused by the Dear LauraKy

As an owner of American Saddlebreds who are residing in the State of Kentucky for the past ten years, I too contacted him. I explained that the alternatives will have a negative impact on equine ownership due to the potential of new taxes levied to support public funded programs to save and maintain 100,000 horses per year. I discussed the cost of equine meat inspectors (only relavant where there are slaughter facilities) which is rather small when compared to government controls, the formation of new government divisions and task forces.

I discussed the by products and re-enforced that it is only ONE option within the over population of horses.

I also stated how a bill such as this would negatively impact the State of Kentucky within the TB industry. As the JC only allows live cover and on average, around 600 mares per year from Canada are transported, maintain, studfees paid etc there is a potential of loss including the negative impact if Canadians stopped shipping horses to the U.S. for racing and harness competitions.

I did explain that the potential for taxes to be levied plus the additional paper word could have an impact on a major industry for the state.

Least one think these numbers are wrong…they were provided to me by the JC. Everytime there is a major economic downturn, the TB industry takes a major hit due to Canadians NOT shipping their mares and stock to the state.

The State of Kentucky is very sensitive to any legislation that would have a negative impact on one of their major industries.

I have yet to receive a reply…

[Fairfax]

I just gave a follow up phone call.

They do understand the negative impact this could have on the industry and any reduction to the TB farms already under fire in Kentucky could have disasterous results

They did not know that Canada has very strict transportation guidelines and the changes in shipping from the U.S. to Canada. I gave them the name and number of the border crossing Vet

The anti group are still spouting the terrible transportation into Canada which is no longer valid with the odd exception.

His aid was also very interested in fine revenue generated.

[Abercrombie]

@Fairfax;7128524

I just gave a follow up phone call.

They did not know that Canada has very strict transportation guidelines and the changes in shipping from the U.S. to Canada. I gave them the name and number of the border crossing Vet

I’m sure they’ll get right on that. :lol:

[LauraKY]

[QUOTE=Abercrombie;7128624]
I’m sure they’ll get right on that. :lol:[/QUOTE]

Being a voting constituent and all.

[Bluey]

I expect any politician knows it has to be careful to please ALL, because all votes count.

Politicians will have to be pressed to be so hardheaded about any one bill up to vote, to be dismissive to the ones for or against it, no matter how it may already have declared to vote.

To politicians, generally, this or that bill is one of many.

To those interested and affected in any one specific bill, that one is “very” important.

Politicians know there is no need to burn bridges, the next bill those constituents may be the ones he may want to work with.

My point, any one lawmaker’s office anyone contacts will generally going to sound very concerned and polite and accommodating, as much as it may.

[Fairfax]

Hello Abercrombie…How is my consistant stalker bdoing thi fine morning?

They did take notice when I scanned and emailed the past five years invoices for 13 ASBS, stud fees, farriers etc.

They also took note when I did the same for the TB’s my sister and I have in Kentucky…

Of course a voting constituent is very important…

Funny how money talks… I pointed out that I sold a horse this week to a family in Brazil and they will maintain the colt in Kentucky…as part of the agreement until he has been shown as a three year old (I don’t do the 2 year old show thing). I also gave him the figures regarding the Ky bred stallion and mare that were sold “for me” to China over the past couple of years .

The farm where the ASB’s are kept have 6 full time staff, all legals and only two speak employable english.

The farm where the TB’s are kept have over 10 full time staff, all legals and again, only a couple speak employable english.

Farms can only afford to have employees when they have revenue and in Kentucky, equine generated revenue is VERY important.

Therefore, I am sure they will at least consider my point of view that it is an option and there are, as of the current time…no cure all solutions.

[wildlifer]

ROFL, I am pretty sure Canadian votes don’t count in Congress.

I continue to be fascinated by this perpetual motion machine. Once you realize you annoyed the crap out of the pig and he never sang a note, it is quite an amusing sideshow of staggering proportion.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=wildlifer;7128760]
ROFL, I am pretty sure Canadian votes don’t count in Congress.

I continue to be fascinated by this perpetual motion machine. Once you realize you annoyed the crap out of the pig and he never sang a note, it is quite an amusing sideshow of staggering proportion.[/QUOTE]

I am not quite sure, but I think Fairfax has double citizenship and business in KY, maybe even land there also?
HORSE business, that would be directly affected by the bill as written, poorly, I may add, too many loose ends to it?

If that is so, it would give him some interest in what a KY representative does, more, I would guess, than most pushing for it right here.

[Alagirl]

[QUOTE=wildlifer;7128760]
ROFL, I am pretty sure Canadian votes don’t count in Congress.

I continue to be fascinated by this perpetual motion machine. Once you realize you annoyed the crap out of the pig and he never sang a note, it is quite an amusing sideshow of staggering proportion.[/QUOTE]

On the other hand: Money talks BS walks…

[Fairfax]

[QUOTE=Bluey;7128768]
I am not quite sure, but I think Fairfax has double citizenship and business in KY, maybe even land there also?
HORSE business, that would be directly affected by the bill as written, poorly, I may add, too many loose ends to it?

If that is so, it would give him some interest in what a KY representative does, more, I would guess, than most pushing for it right here.[/QUOTE]

You are correct.

I have been accused of bragging when I mention what the horses have done or what is owned.

Lets just say a home and 12 acres freehold is considered to be a residence.

[Fairfax]

The US economy does not need any segment to under achieve.

IF five plants open up and have 7 employees that does not sound like much.

Until one considers…:

1. Transportation…truck drivers
2. Auction house personel
3. Packaging companies and their employees
4. Shipping companies
5. Electricians, Plumbers, Construction companies
6. Employees…wage taxes, local purchasing in their community
7. Banks and all banking and or loan procedures
8. Fuel Brokers for transportation
9. Business Taxes
10. And so on

There is much in the way of spin off that needs to be considered.

Horse hair brushes, bone meal, hides for all leather goods including clothing, ivory from the teeth, Fabric softner, natural charcoal which is also used as a sugar filter, and the list goes on.

[Angela_Freda]

Nope, there’s no cruelty in the industry. None at all.

http://theethicsofequinerescue.blogspot.com/2013/08/a-face-filled-with-agony-amongst-deaf.html

[jetsmom]

[QUOTE=Angela Freda;7129083]
Nope, there’s no cruelty in the industry. None at all.

http://theethicsofequinerescue.blogspot.com/2013/08/a-face-filled-with-agony-amongst-deaf.html[/QUOTE]

I’m sure they (auction owner/staff/vet/owner of horse/AC) all figured “He’s going to slaughter anyways, so what”. Like the los Lunas auction, with the downed horses that were allowed to suffer for days.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=Angela Freda;7129083]
Nope, there’s no cruelty in the industry. None at all.

http://theethicsofequinerescue.blogspot.com/2013/08/a-face-filled-with-agony-amongst-deaf.html[/QUOTE]

Why is that in a BAN horse slaughter thread?

Oh, yes, the abuse card animal rights extremist are so fond of using where convenient.

Guess it is like if someone wanted to ban police departments, show the abuses there and make it sound as if that was all that happened in police departments.
I think we do have one such thread right now about that also, brought to us, as this here, courtesy of animal rights extremist propaganda.

No, abuse is found anywhere and working to eliminate abuse has to be done everywhere.

Pushing for animal rights extremist agendas to BAN this and that we do with animals because someone, somewhere, here look how horrible, some animal was abused, that is objectionable also, unless the ones using that abuse card are animal rights extremists and that is their agenda.:no:

I would say, the abuse was by whoever owned that horse and brought it to the sale barn.
That of course is not what those presenting this here, intending to blame slaughter, want to hear.

[Angela_Freda]

[QUOTE=Bluey;7129108]
Why is that in a BAN horse slaughter thread?

Oh, yes, the abuse card animal rights extremist are so fond of using where convenient.

Guess it is like if someone wanted to ban police departments, show the abuses there and make it sound as if that was all that happened in police departments.
I think we do have one such thread right now about that also, brought to us, as this here, courtesy of animal rights extremist propaganda.

No, abuse is found anywhere and working to eliminate abuse has to be done everywhere.

Pushing for animal rights extremist agendas to BAN this and that we do with animals because someone, somewhere, here look how horrible, some animal was abused, that is objectionable also, unless the ones using that abuse card are animal rights extremists and that is their agenda.:no:

I would say, the abuse was by whoever owned that horse and brought it to the sale barn.
That of course is not what those presenting this here, intending to blame slaughter, want to hear.[/QUOTE]
You’re right, this horses’ condition happened with the owner who brought it to the sale.

But it was ACCEPTED into the sale by the sale barn owner/manager.
He sat there at the sale ALL DAY.
And a Vet who works that sale ignored him all day, as did others who should know better than to turn a blind eye.

And they can’t ID who consigned him? Why not? Didn’t NH take the info, or do they not want to throw one of their buddies under the bus for this?

Remember what we were talking about re: horse slaughter, about enforcing legislation?
Did that happen here? Why not?

But keep making excuses for the people who let this happen on their watch, on their property who are part of the industry.

Thanks for once again proving my point, that those who are pro-slaughter say they think the laws should be enforced, but when presented with a case of abuse, they insist it’s only Pushing for animal rights extremist agendas to BAN this and that we do with animals because someone, somewhere, here look how horrible, some animal was abused, that is objectionable also, unless the ones using that abuse card are animal rights extremists and that is their agenda.
Enforce the laws, except in this case?

So what you’re saying is that when anyone interested in animal welfare or animal rights even bring the situation to light, it then is not abuse after all?
Why does it matter who brought it to light?
Talk about biased!