Tell Congress to Pass the SAFE Act Banning Horse Slaughter (different petition)

[jenm]

@Fairfax;7127307

There you go…trying to make a vet turning away horses a bad thing.

He has LAWS to follow regarding the safe transportation of horses. Those are laws your group are stating can never be implemented…but they have been…and now you want to turn on and imply something about the vet…

Are you having some sort of contest with yourself to see how many times you can misunderstand a comment? If so, you should congratulate yourself because you are winning.

I was not implying ANYTHING about the vet, despite your insistence. Allow me to break it down for you, since you are unable to.

The vet at the border rejects truckloads of horses from the U.S. at the border. Understood as that’s his job. If those horses are rejected by Canada, do you think they are going to be accepted by the U.S. slaughterhouses? Um…no.

So what is happening to those horses now? How are they getting to a rendering plant? It’s being done now, why can’t it be done for horses not shipping across the border?

By the way, you have already commented about agreeing with a solution I suggested, so you really need to stop asking that question over and over. Just to make it easy on you, here is a repeat of some suggestions:

*Low cost euth clinics funded by donations. It’s already proven to work quite well.

*The UC Davis plan for unwanted horses.

*Have someone local to the horses come shoot the horses and the owner keeps the meat, or perhaps trades some meat for the service. (Guess what? It’s one more way to get another use from the horse, imagine that!)

*Build local abattoirs which only take in a small amount of horses a day in order to really assure horses are handled humanely and not mistreated before killed.

Don’t ask me for solutions anymore. All you will do is shoot them down because you believe slaughter is the best solution.

If slaughter and transport for slaughter is not available, what are you going to do? As I’ve stated before, if it happens, horse people all over are going to have to come together to find something that works. Will you be one of those people or will you simply stay in Canada where you can happily send all unwanted horses to slaughter?

[Mara]

[QUOTE=JGHIRETIRE;7127254]
Keep track of?? You 3 are all over everything like white on rice.[/QUOTE]

Alagirl’s afraid RARAs are going to take her horses away. Oh wait. . .

[JGHIRETIRE]

Like in the scheme of things all this BS really matters…

[QUOTE=Alagirl;7127285]
And your friends are taking a hiatus…[/QUOTE]

[Fairfax]

[QUOTE=jenm;7127376]
Are you having some sort of contest with yourself to see how many times you can misunderstand a comment? If so, you should congratulate yourself because you are winning.

I was not implying ANYTHING about the vet, despite your insistence. Allow me to break it down for you, since you are unable to.

The vet at the border rejects truckloads of horses from the U.S. at the border. Understood as that’s his job. If those horses are rejected by Canada, do you think they are going to be accepted by the U.S. slaughterhouses? Um…no.

They are rejected for many different reasons. An injured horse, too many in the trailer, violations of safety for the animals meaning lights not working on transport trailer or truck however the USUAL reason is too many or injury or sickness…i.e. snots visible strangles with pus at neck.

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So what is happening to those horses now? How are they getting to a rendering plant? It’s being done now, why can’t it be done for horses not shipping across the border?

I understand that 1.st very few trucks are now turned back as they are in compliance…consistency on behalf of the vet inspectors makes a lot of difference. Those who are rejected have gone…from the Sweetgrass/Coutts border to one of three feed lots located within 1/2 hour.

I am ONLY GUESSING./… All of the horses would be unloaded, checked over the degregated…serious injury…they are disposed of…As there are not any plants I am sure it is done with shotgun or ??? I don’t think of shot of anything would be used. There are rendering plants where they can be moved to and I am sure this group has an agreement with them. The rendering plant that will pick up from my property charges 90.00$ AND 99 cents per pound. About 200 dollars.

Anyone can have their horses picked up and delivered to a rendering plant IF there is one in their locale. All it does is cost money

By the way, you have already commented about agreeing with a solution I suggested, so you really need to stop asking that question over and over. Just to make it easy on you, here is a repeat of some suggestions:

*Low cost euth clinics funded by donations. It’s already proven to work quite well.

A great suggestion. Have you not read where I have stated that and also stated I wonder why the anti slaughter groups have not had them established across the U.S. Delivery would be the same as taking your horse to an auction and if the fee was the same as an auction fee I can sure see where this would be appealing for many. *The UC Davis plan for unwanted horses.

*Have someone local to the horses come shoot the horses and the owner keeps the meat, or perhaps trades some meat for the service. (Guess what? It’s one more way to get another use from the horse, imagine that!)

Great Idea. For the anti slaughter crowd have they set this up with gun club networks or hunters organizations? I know HSUS is against it (using hunt or gun clubs) but that would eliminate an animal without any contaminants

*Build local abattoirs which only take in a small amount of horses a day in order to really assure horses are handled humanely and not mistreated before killed.

Many have stated this is a great idea BUT most of them fail financially as there is little demand for them. Also you would have to have private investors.

Ontario and Quebec do have some subsidized TRAVELLING abattoirs and here is a study completed by Olds Agricultural College regarding the issue.
http://www.oldscollege.ca/programs/ContinuingEducation/animal-science/pdf/Multi-Location%20Abattoir%20Project%20Report%20Final%20document.pdf

Don’t ask me for solutions anymore. All you will do is shoot them down because you believe slaughter is the best solution.

If slaughter and transport for slaughter is not available, what are you going to do? As I’ve stated before, if it happens, horse people all over are going to have to come together to find something that works. Will you be one of those people or will you simply stay in Canada where you can happily send all unwanted horses to slaughter? [/QUOTE]

What am I going to do? I will continue with some rescues and if it is a mess down south…well…I guess that will be the problem for the President, his congress and all those such as Shedrow, HSUS, John Holland to implement the strategy they claim will reduce the numbers without any horses going to slaughter.

So are you implying that if slaughter is cancelled in the U.S. there is going to be a BIG MESS?

I take it that you admit there are NO solutions to solve the issue with the great numbers faced…i.e. probably more than 100,000 horses.

Per Year

Hence your P. will enforce taxations and the anti crowd will crow they are doing something to make people responsible and will live in denial they killed a wonderful industry…that of owning a horse…it will ONLY be for the mega wealthy.

[Fairfax]

[QUOTE=jenm;7127376]
Are you having some sort of contest with yourself to see how many times you can misunderstand a comment? If so, you should congratulate yourself because you are winning.

I was not implying ANYTHING about the vet, despite your insistence. Allow me to break it down for you, since you are unable to.

The vet at the border rejects truckloads of horses from the U.S. at the border. Understood as that’s his job. If those horses are rejected by Canada, do you think they are going to be accepted by the U.S. slaughterhouses? Um…no.

So what is happening to those horses now? How are they getting to a rendering plant? It’s being done now, why can’t it be done for horses not shipping across the border?

By the way, you have already commented about agreeing with a solution I suggested, so you really need to stop asking that question over and over. Just to make it easy on you, here is a repeat of some suggestions:

*Low cost euth clinics funded by donations. It’s already proven to work quite well.

*The UC Davis plan for unwanted horses.

*Have someone local to the horses come shoot the horses and the owner keeps the meat, or perhaps trades some meat for the service. (Guess what? It’s one more way to get another use from the horse, imagine that!)

*Build local abattoirs which only take in a small amount of horses a day in order to really assure horses are handled humanely and not mistreated before killed.

Don’t ask me for solutions anymore. All you will do is shoot them down because you believe slaughter is the best solution.

If slaughter and transport for slaughter is not available, what are you going to do? As I’ve stated before, if it happens, horse people all over are going to have to come together to find something that works. Will you be one of those people or will you simply stay in Canada where you can happily send all unwanted horses to slaughter? [/QUOTE]

You see…those defending a properly operated slaughter plant are not the ones who should bail out those who want to ban an industry.

THAT is the goal a liberal would propose…I will shut down your business but then you must still pay employees, taxes, health care etc…

I am happy to read you have no ONE solution and no person I know does. That is why we say it is a piece of the excess horse puzzle.

To be honest…I expect I will as previously stated…do some rescues for Saddlebreds and then continue with what I do. Raising ASB’s.

I don’t ever happily kill any animal…sad that once again you must inject a dig…but if the horses can not travel to Canada and if the paperwork kills rodeos and other equine events…and if the industry eventaully goes belly up down south…well…you will have everyone to thank you and your group.

I would suggest you pressure HSUS and their groups to help you implement many of your great suggestions.

But I bet they will not spend one penny on saving a horse…just making it hard for anyone to own one.

[Fairfax]

[QUOTE=JGHIRETIRE;7127409]
Like in the scheme of things all this BS really matters…[/QUOTE]

It does. Actually it has been a major shock to HSUS to discover they can not sneak things by horse owners any more. Many do not post here but they do read and they do contact their politicians with their views.

[Alagirl]

[QUOTE=JGHIRETIRE;7127409]
Like in the scheme of things all this BS really matters…[/QUOTE]

yes, this is why this white is all over this rice.
Because crap legislation hurts the industry. And I am not talking about meat!
But you might want to read the small print: No domesticated animals…

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=JGHIRETIRE;7127409]
Like in the scheme of things all this BS really matters…[/QUOTE]

I don’t know what you mean with “all this BS”, but if you mean that we don’t let animal rights extremist advance their agenda of eliminating all uses of animals, for us what matters on this forum is horses, I think that “yes, all this matters”.

Some may not like slaughter, or racing , or gaited horses, or eventing, or rescues, or … or … or … but it OUGHT to matter that we can have our say to explain what and why we do what we do.

It matters that not only animal rights extremist get to come push their agenda here, that other voices be heard, as many times as necessary.
If you have anything to do with or about horses, which is assumed we do, if posting here, on a horse forum, it SHOULD matter to you.:yes:

[jetsmom]

[QUOTE=Bluey;7127604]
I don’t know what you mean with “all this BS”, but if you mean that we don’t let animal rights extremist advance their agenda of eliminating all uses of animals, for us what matters on this forum is horses, I think that “yes, all this matters”.

Some may not like slaughter, or racing , or gaited horses, or eventing, or rescues, or … or … or … but it OUGHT to matter that we can have our say to explain what and why we do what we do.

It matters that not only animal rights extremist get to come push their agenda here, that other voices be heard, as many times as necessary.
If you have anything to do with or about horses, which is assumed we do, if posting here, on a horse forum, it SHOULD matter to you.:yes:[/QUOTE]

Once again…there are NO Animal Rights Extremists posting on here. We all own animals, and horses. The majority of people that are against commercial horse slaughter for human consumption (as it stands now, and is projected to be if allowed in the US,) are NOT ARA’s. The same people that were for banning things like dogfighting, cockfighting and horse tripping. Unlike you, we support banning things that are cruel and inhumane. You are too paranoid about RARA’s getting animal ownership banned, to support the ban of any of those activities. You may think they are cruel, but you won’t support a ban on them due to your paranoia about supporting any issue that the HSUS supports.

And please READ that for COMPREHENSION. I AM NOT saying you abuse animals. I’m not even saying you support dog fighting, cock fighting or horse tripping. I’m saying your paranoia won’t allow you to support something that will ban an abusive practice.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=jetsmom;7127783]
Once again…there are NO Animal Rights Extremists posting on here. We all own animals, and horses. The majority of people that are against commercial horse slaughter for human consumption (as it stands now, and is projected to be if allowed in the US,) are NOT ARA’s. The same people that were for banning things like dogfighting, cockfighting and horse tripping. Unlike you, we support banning things that are cruel and inhumane. You are too paranoid about RARA’s getting animal ownership banned, to support the ban of any of those activities. You may think they are cruel, but you won’t support a ban on them due to your paranoia about supporting any issue that the HSUS supports.

And please READ that for COMPREHENSION. I AM NOT saying you abuse animals. I’m not even saying you support dog fighting, cock fighting or horse tripping. I’m saying your paranoia won’t allow you to support something that will ban an abusive practice.[/QUOTE]

Can’t you make your mind, saying in one sentence I am for all that illegal stuff and then saying you are not saying I am for all that illegal stuff?:lol:

I think you are the one not reading for comprehension, because several have already tried to explain to you that no, slaughter is not an abusive practice.
Slaughter is a process by which we make one more use of SOME horses as the natural, renewable resource humans evolved using, have used for millennia and are still using in most of the world, nothing more or less.

I will say, like all other humans do, you can manage slaughter well or poorly.
Animal rights extremist are using that, I call that the abuse and mismanagement card, to entice people that won’t think past that to help them push for their ultimate agenda to eliminate all animal use.

Now, do you understand a bit better where so many stand, that think that the animal rights extremist drive to BAN horse slaughter as part of their agenda and calling it “an abusive practice” as you do there, is not really a sensible way to go about this?
That is missing the forest for the trees of the animal rights extremist agenda.:yes:

That some think so doesn’t make them abusers or law breakers wanting to do illegal things, or paranoid about who animal rights extremists are and what they are after.
There is plenty of proof out there about that, from the horse’s mouth itself, if you read the links provided.
That is more animal rights extremist accusations to try to silence, with insulting, unwarranted accusations, those that are not playing along with them.:no:

[jetsmom]

[QUOTE=Bluey;7127811]
Can’t you make your mind, saying in one sentence I am for all that illegal stuff and then saying you are not saying I am for all that illegal stuff?:lol:

:[/QUOTE]

Re read what I wrote.
I said you do not support a ban on those things, because your paranoia won’t allow you to support banning anything that HSUS also supports. That’s not to say you weren’t secretly glad when they WERE banned. Just that you can’t bring yourself to support banning something that HSUS supports. So while you may not want there to be those activities, you lack the fortitude/backbone and ability to separate banning an activity and supporting ARA groups or the HSUS. To you it’s one and the same. To the rest of us, we can support banning something abusive, yet not be ARA’s.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=jetsmom;7127824]
Re read what I wrote.
I said you do not support a ban on those things, because your paranoia won’t allow you to support banning anything that HSUS also supports. That’s not to say you weren’t secretly glad when they WERE banned. Just that you can’t bring yourself to support banning something that HSUS supports. So while you may not want there to be those activities, you lack the fortitude/backbone and ability to separate banning an activity and supporting ARA groups or the HSUS. To you it’s one and the same. To the rest of us, we can support banning something abusive, yet not be ARA’s.[/QUOTE]

I think some still are not catching on to who animal rights extremists are and what they are after, when they insist they have animals and STILL go bat for animal rights extremist agendas, here BAN horse slaughter.:no:

Bringing up dog fighting, really?
Guess who is cuddling a convicted dog fighting ring leader, because they though it would give them free publicity, blind to what that is saying about them?:eek:

http://www.nathanwinograd.com/?p=6510

Does anyone defending animal rights extremist really think they will be spared, what they do with their animals won’t be attacked eventually, is not today under attack already, are they not seeing that writing on the wall?

Keep on with the personal attacks, which is against the rules here, if it gives you pleasure, but I think that you are so way off with all you accuse me as being laughable.

[Luseride]

Thank you for the heads up, I will tell them to vote AGAINST it.

[LauraKY]

[QUOTE=Bluey;7127840]

Keep on with the personal attacks, which is against the rules here, if it gives you pleasure, but I think that you are so way off with all you accuse me as being laughable.:p[/QUOTE]

Bluey dear, the only personal attacks are in your mind.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=LauraKY;7127871]
Bluey dear, the only personal attacks are in your mind.[/QUOTE]

Not really, I get PMs asking how I can stay calm, not respond in kind.
Guess it is not “in my mind” only, but that’s ok, keep making personal digs.:rolleyes:

[up-at-5]

[QUOTE=Mara;7127399]
Alagirl’s afraid RARAs are going to take her horses away. Oh wait. . .[/QUOTE]
Priceless! Thanks for the chuckle. :lol:
I’m waiting for 2023, ten years from now when the great FF says the average horse owner will no longer own horses. Not sure what his version of “average” means…maybe average as he knows and lives?

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=up-at-5;7127959]
Priceless! Thanks for the chuckle. :lol:
I’m waiting for 2023, ten years from now when the great FF says the average horse owner will no longer own horses. Not sure what his version of “average” means…maybe average as he knows and lives?[/QUOTE]

Have you read this and other such links?
Do you really think animal rights extremist groups, the HSUS one, are not trying to, eventually, “ban the rearing of domestic animals”, as per their own words?

Do you understand that also includes horses, a domestic animal?:eek:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/02/humane-society-litigation_n_1933863.html

—" …
The group started with just three full-time lawyers, including Lovvorn; it now employs 25 and works with 2,000 others on a pro-bono basis. Lovvorn, 43, estimated that he and his colleagues have won about three dozen cases in the past seven years.

“They are definitely the leading shop for litigation for animal protection,” attorney David Wolfson, who teaches courses on animals and public policy and animal law at NYU and NYU Law, respectively, explained. “They are generally extremely disciplined, focused and professional. I would also characterize them as extremely pragmatic and realistic. They’re not chasing dreams.”

The ultimate dream for animal rights advocates would be something like the application of the 14th Amendment’s equal protection to animals as well as humans. Such a ruling might ban the rearing of domesticated animals for meat altogether. And some major thinkers in the field – most famously Steve Wise of the Nonhuman Rights Project – are actively pursuing it."—

[up-at-5]

Why are you responding to me, Bluey, with a quote? I clearly have no interest in your propaganda.

[Lady_Eboshi]

[QUOTE=jetsmom;7127783]
Once again…there are NO Animal Rights Extremists posting on here. We all own animals, and horses. The majority of people that are against commercial horse slaughter for human consumption (as it stands now, and is projected to be if allowed in the US,) are NOT ARA’s. The same people that were for banning things like dogfighting, cockfighting and horse tripping. Unlike you, we support banning things that are cruel and inhumane. You are too paranoid about RARA’s getting animal ownership banned, to support the ban of any of those activities. You may think they are cruel, but you won’t support a ban on them due to your paranoia about supporting any issue that the HSUS supports.

And please READ that for COMPREHENSION. I AM NOT saying you abuse animals. I’m not even saying you support dog fighting, cock fighting or horse tripping. I’m saying your paranoia won’t allow you to support something that will ban an abusive practice.[/QUOTE]

Don’t waste your time arguing with trolls. It’s like trying to teach a pig to sing–does nothing for music, and annoys the pig. :lol:

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=up-at-5;7127974]
Why are you responding to me, Bluey, with a quote? I clearly have no interest in your propaganda.[/QUOTE]

First, the propaganda here is on the other side.
They are the ones pushing for these BAN horse slaughter bills.
I am trying to explain what that propaganda is leading to.

Second, I am responding to your words, as it seemed that you were not aware of all the facts, just providing information for you and any others out there.