[QUOTE=LauraKY;7126843]
Do you own stock in Monsanto too Bluey?[/QUOTE]
I wonder how many here stand in front of a refrigerator full of food and say, “there is nothing to eat here!” because they are jaded by all that food to choose from.:no:
I noticed this group have refused to answer the post by BetonBill. If a broker purchases at auction a truck load of horses suitable for rendering they will still have to be transported and killed.
Will they have to come to Canada or Mexico OR will there be facilities in the U.S. to handle the killing…many times these horses are not able to be handled or have anyone get close to euthanize
[QUOTE=LauraKY;7126843]
Do you own stock in Monsanto too Bluey?
You didn’t grow up in the U.S. We have refrigeration, pasteurization and antibiotics now (of course, because of blatant misuse by both the food industry and human patients, antibiotic resistance is a huge problem which is only getting worse). We have a bee disaster looming in the wings and everyone closes their eyes and tries to pretend we don’t have a problem.[/QUOTE]
I see you edited to add that last paragraph, so I will answer that with, what does all that has to do with this animal rights extremist drive to BAN horse slaughter?
[QUOTE=LauraKY;7126843]
Do you own stock in Monsanto too Bluey?
You didn’t grow up in the U.S. We have refrigeration, pasteurization and antibiotics now (of course, because of blatant misuse by both the food industry and human patients, antibiotic resistance is a huge problem which is only getting worse). We have a bee disaster looming in the wings and everyone closes their eyes and tries to pretend we don’t have a problem.[/QUOTE]
I guess you are only knowing of these topics through your parents Not because you were around.
Bee’s. The hive syndrome IS a problem and bee owners are very aware of it. However, the collapse hive syndrome is NOT impacting everywhere. Here, the Hutterites have a major Bee “rent hive” program and the mini hives are transported to Monsato fields as well as many non corporate customers. And…no collapse. They are now investigating a special mite
We also have choices…Rather than flower gardens we can once again have vegetable patches and we can stop eating food out of season. More meat and potatoes and root crops during the winter and more fruits and greens during the summer. Small towns can allow land lot owners to have a certain number of chickens etc.
However the much misuse of the factory farm word is also to blame. With a growing population we need more food. Just because it is big doesn’t mean it is unhealthy nor bad. I use chemicals on my pasture land to remove weeds. Hasn’t killed a horse yet. But one must use it EXACTLY as instructed.
I am looking at the total collapse of the wind and solar power industries in Germany, Holland, Portugal etc and it is in the BILLIONS of dollars blown . As Bill Gates says…unlless we can learn how to store it why waste the money. Sadly, the President doesn’t agree.
This is another reason that horse meat may become popular in the future. It is a renewable meat source AND it is a healthier type of meat. While it may never catch on in North American sans Mexico…I believe it will continue to expand in Europe. After the Vegan experiment fails.
[QUOTE=Fairfax;7126916]
I guess you are only knoing of these topics through your parents Not because you were around.
Bee’s. The hive syndrome IS a problem and bee owners are very aware of it. However, the collapse hive syndrome is NOT impacting everywhere. Here, the Hutterites have a major Bee “rent hive” program and the mini hives are transported to Monsato fields as well as many non corporate customers. And…no collapse. They are now investigating a special mite
We also have choices…Rather thanb flower gardens we can once again have vegetable patches and we can stop eating food out of season. More meat and potatoes and root crops during the winter and more fruits and greens during the summer. Small towns can allow land lot owners to have a certain number of chickens etc.
However the much misuse of the factory farm word is also to blame. With a growing population we need more food. Just because it is big doesn’t mean it is unhealthy nor bad.
I am looking at the total collapse of the wind and solar power industries in Germany, Holland, Portugal etc and it is in the BILLIONS of dollars blown . As Bill Gates says…unlless we can learn how to store it why waste the money. Sadly, the President doesn’t agree.
This is another reason that horse meat may become popular in the future. It is a renewable meat source AND it is a healthier type of meat. While it may never catch on in North American sans Mexico…I believe it will continue to expand in Europe. After the Vegan experiment fails.[/QUOTE]
The US is many decades behind much of the industrial world in terms of awareness. In part because the media is so screwed up, in part because of the attitude that prohibits open minds. Superiority complex…
I am sure if it was available, many people who intellectually might oppose horse slaughter would happily buy a roast if it was in a price range between chicken and pork, cheaper than beef. There are a lot of poor people in this country who are now relegated to cheap crap foods (another thing where awareness has to catch up with the rest of the civilized world)
It’s kind of like the little blue rubber balls sold for raquet ball…it’s easy to claim to be the #1 sold brand when you are the only band in the shelf.
On the same token, it is easy to claim that nobody eats horse when it really isn’t available commercially.
[QUOTE=Bluey;7126909]
I see you edited to add that last paragraph, so I will answer that with, what does all that has to do with this animal rights extremist drive to BAN horse slaughter?[/QUOTE]
Now that Shedrow has been outed to the light of scrutiny and its personal name calling and attacks are not accepted as alternatives to solutions…all they can do is bait and switch.
I am enjoying many of the older posts that are almost direct copies from Shedrow…I guess that was their secret wizard behind the blanket.
The “vegan experiment”, that animal rights extremist push, that their drive to eliminate all uses of animals is part of, here BAN horse slaughter, is failing because it doesn’t work.
Those studies saying vegans/vegetarians were more healthy were based on a faulty premise, self reporting and guess what, that vegans/vegetarians were adhering to their diet as reported seems to have been questionable, many cheat, it is not a sustainable diet over long time.
I wondered about that, as the vegans/vegetarians I know insist they are vegans/vegetarians have been sitting by me enjoying a steak and saying “this one time only”.
Except that was a bit more often than they care to admit::lol:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animals-and-us/201109/why-are-there-so-few-vegetarians
There is so much more to this than what animal rights extremist intend, this BAN horse slaughter just a small part of all they are working on, if we care to look around us, including that they are also working to eliminate all else we do with horses, as they get to it.:no:
RISE UP, DEAD HORSE!!! Rise up so we shall beat you some more!!!
RISE, I say!!!
Good lord almighty above.
Go outside and do something productive. Anybody that has been on COTH for two weeks knows who is on what side, and why. It’s the same blah-blah-blah from the same 5-6 folks. Just more for me to add to the “ignore” list.
[QUOTE=bluemooncowgirl;7126941]
RISE UP, DEAD HORSE!!! Rise up so we shall beat you some more!!!
RISE, I say!!!
Good lord almighty above.
Go outside and do something productive. Anybody that has been on COTH for two weeks knows who is on what side, and why. It’s the same blah-blah-blah from the same 5-6 folks. Just more for me to add to the “ignore” list.[/QUOTE]
That is strange, when I tried to quote to respond, the thread in the posting window was not the one above, that is this:
—"RISE UP, DEAD HORSE!!! Rise up so we shall beat you some more!!!
RISE, I say!!!
Good lord almighty above.
Y’all get outside and do something productive for a change."—
COTH gremlins at work.:eek:
Anyway, for those wondering, there are new people reading here every day.
Those deserve to be informed also, if we have to keep repeating ourselves.
Bluey, I was adding to my rant while you were quoting me. Not strange, just the way it works sometimes. And it was not directed to you personally, but if the shoe fits and all…
(Back to adding to my ignore list…)
[QUOTE=bluemooncowgirl;7126954]
Bluey, I was adding to my rant while you were quoting me. Not strange, just the way it works sometimes. And it was not directed to you personally, but if the shoe fits and all…
(Back to adding to my ignore list…)[/QUOTE]
Just curious, do you have ALL on the ignore list, or just those on the side you don’t agree with?
[QUOTE=bluemooncowgirl;7126954]
Bluey, I was adding to my rant while you were quoting me. Not strange, just the way it works sometimes. And it was not directed to you personally, but if the shoe fits and all…
(Back to adding to my ignore list…)[/QUOTE]
While this gets rather boring, depending on the moon phases, these are the topics we need to keep track of.
So HOW can they be solved.
What are your answers for that?? Inquiring minds want to know.
[QUOTE=Fairfax;7126522]
Transportation issues CAN be solved.
This does not have to be a BAN of slaughter
As slaughter continues ALTERNATIVES will develope…and it might save tens of thousands of them over the next couple of years.
We hear about John Hollands solutions and those of Shedrow however none of the suggestions address the immediate yearly problem
But I do see Americans hit with ownership and breeding and showing taxes…other forums are discussing a possible 2$ per class from ALL shows…ABC etc but I do not see HSUS becoming a trusted member to handle the money. No John Holland nor any other group. I do see them trying to control horse ownership however.[/QUOTE]
ROFL - it seems to get louder somehow. Even on the internet - lots of screaming going on.
[QUOTE=bluemooncowgirl;7126941]
RISE UP, DEAD HORSE!!! Rise up so we shall beat you some more!!!
RISE, I say!!!
Good lord almighty above.
Go outside and do something productive. Anybody that has been on COTH for two weeks knows who is on what side, and why. It’s the same blah-blah-blah from the same 5-6 folks. Just more for me to add to the “ignore” list.[/QUOTE]
Keep track of?? You 3 are all over everything like white on rice.
[QUOTE=Alagirl;7126962]
While this gets rather boring, depending on the moon phases, these are the topics we need to keep track of.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Fairfax;7126884]
I noticed this group have refused to answer the post by BetonBill. If a broker purchases at auction a truck load of horses suitable for rendering they will still have to be transported and killed.
Will they have to come to Canada or Mexico OR will there be facilities in the U.S. to handle the killing…many times these horses are not able to be handled or have anyone get close to euthanize[/QUOTE]
And you can’t/won’t answer it because…?
While you’re at it, you can also tell us what happens to the truck loads of horses your border vet buddy turns away.
[QUOTE=JGHIRETIRE;7127254]
Keep track of?? You 3 are all over everything like white on rice.[/QUOTE]
And your friends are taking a hiatus…
The vet at the border made those statements about turn backs…now there is compliance…is it perfect…?? nope…but it is such a major improvement that he says it is actually noticeable
The care of the horses going into the chute into the plant can be made as safe as possible complete with rubber matting and the floor WITH raised notches to keep moisture away and allow the horses hoof to grip.
Videos can be run 24/7 when a kill is occuring
If the chutes are adapted to the horse that is also a major hurdle done.
Law enforcement…pressure needs to be put on them however I understand that communities are very broke and they would love to have an opportunity to fine and collect violations.
Up here…when they do a truck inspection…if there are violations they seize the truck. You get it back when all fines are paid AND the repairs are done.
As the numberes are reduced it does not mean that solutions or alternatives can not be implemented.
Unrealistic solutions will be ignored but there ae many such as ongoing clinics that can be developed over the next 3-5 years and maybe find special donors so it does not cost the tax payer.
Fifty years ago treatments for cancer were crude and not usually effective. Changes have been made…research models have been followed and drugs have been developed…now it is not the “kiss of death” it once was.
The slaughter industry can clean up its act Enforce the guidelines. Those who will not comply will be gone
[QUOTE=jenm;7127269]
And you can’t/won’t answer it because…?
While you’re at it, you can also tell us what happens to the truck loads of horses your border vet buddy turns away.[/QUOTE]
There you go…trying to make a vet turning away horses a bad thing.
He has LAWS to follow regarding the safe transportation of horses. Those are laws your group are stating can never be implemented…but they have been…and now you want to turn on and imply something about the vet…
The horses were returned to the United states. Some, I expect were dumped at rodeo grounds…they would have to have a chute to unload them… and as that happened individuals decided there were alternatives so they established feedlots. Rejected horses could be fed up…and if they had a severe injury they were destroyed and rendered.
Your first question was towards YOU and your group. That was what her post was about. What IF all transportation was ended…how could they go to U.S. rendering facilities.
Border vet buddy (he is or was ANTI slaughter) Now, after listening to his peers speak at conferences and checking out the actual numbers of horses from accredited sources such as his peers, he is for slaughter as long as facilities are made “for the horse”. He has NO problems with the operation at Ft. MacLeod.
He also sees a change in ownership views. Especially regarding breeding. It is cheaper to purchase a horse and use it now…than breed and hope it is a good one when you are able to ride it.
While he is employed by the Government he does speak with his peers across North America who are in private practice and they report that breeders have voluntarily cut numbers and also many breeders are no longer breeder due to THEIR age. They don’t want their family to have to send horses they can not sell, away.
And Now…YOUR SOLUTION IS?
[QUOTE=Alagirl;7127285]
And your friends are taking a hiatus…[/QUOTE]
I am pleased to see new posters to the subject making their views known.
