[QUOTE=Bluey;7124754]
They already are suing the pork and beef associations, the HSUS is on a roll, they said so at the first of the year, this was the year they would unleash all kinds of attacks on all we do with animals.
Seems they were right.:([/QUOTE]
Well, when they tell you who they are, believe them!
[QUOTE=Alagirl;7124756]
Well, when they tell you who they are, believe them![/QUOTE]
Right, the gullible public’s donations at work, that think their money is going to save the cute little kitten in the cage in some shelter and that of the little old ladies that leave all they have to them in their will for those poor animals looking at them from the donation envelope.
So, once again no plan in place. Full steam ahead and damn the consequences. After all it will not be your horses which suffer, but someone else’s. They must be bad people to let their horse suffer after all. What are the alternatives? People lose their ability to pay the upkeep on a horse. There is nobody to buy it. What are they supposed to do?
[QUOTE=luvmytbs;7124682]
And they are going to slaughter cattle instead.
Oh wait, HSUS et al will file a lawsuit to prevent them from that as well. :lol:[/QUOTE]
Give them time.
[QUOTE=wonderhorseguy;7124775]
So, once again no plan in place. Full steam ahead and damn the consequences. After all it will not be your horses which suffer, but someone else’s. They must be bad people to let their horse suffer after all. What are the alternatives? People lose their ability to pay the upkeep on a horse. There is nobody to buy it. What are they supposed to do?[/QUOTE]
And this class, is a perfect example of being narrow minded.
Because of your slippery slope paranoia you think it’s perfectly fine that horses in the slaughter pipeline are being treated inhumanely and have to suffer from abuse.
Just like those who are supposed to enforce the transport to slaughter regulations, you shrug your shoulders and probably mumble (as they do): “Oh well, they’re going to slaughter anyways”.
You claim the writing has been on the wall for decades.
Well, you have had decades to protect your interests by standing strong against those abusers.
Instead, all you have done is make excuses and/or deny that the abuse is real, in between insulting everyone on COTH who actually cares about the welfare of horses.
Your pity party is really getting old.
[QUOTE=luvmytbs;7124833]
Because of your slippery slope paranoia you think it’s perfectly fine that horses in the slaughter pipeline are being treated inhumanely and have to suffer from abuse.
Just like those who are supposed to enforce the transport to slaughter regulations, you shrug your shoulders and probably mumble (as they do): “Oh well, they’re going to slaughter anyways”.
You claim the writing has been on the wall for decades.
Well, you have had decades to protect your interests by standing strong against those abusers.
Instead, all you have done is make excuses and/or deny that the abuse is real, in between insulting everyone on COTH who actually cares about the welfare of horses.
Your pity party is really getting old.[/QUOTE]
You KNOW you are wrong
The pro Slaughter side have stated all along…enforce the laws.
Your side says…well…you guys are not going to collect the fines…as a retort
Law officials and clerks collect the fines…and yes…they can seize transport trucks.
The industry has been shut down since 2007.
Abortions used to be a back alley operation
Now, where they are legal, they are in a medical clinic
That does not mean it is right…or wrong…
But it is safe and that is because it was moved into this century AND monitored
There is no reason the slaughter industry can not provide the same for horses.
Please don’t put vile words out and attribute them to a poster … i.e. oh well, they’re going to slaughter anyways.
That has NOT been the attitude here…it has been accountability
So…those who have just joined the thread would like to know
Jemn, Laura…Lvmy…WHAT IS THE SOLUTION that will remove 100,000 horses and provide an alternative for them in the net 12 months.?
Please do not use your very tired…why does it have to be 12 months?
Because that is the amount of time the slaughter industry uses to eliminate those unwanted horses.
And for those who think HSUS is just trying to be a bit of a pain…
NOPE…They are full fledged VEGANS and they will not rest until there is not an animal consumed by an American.
WAKE UP
[QUOTE=jenm;7124821]
And this class, is a perfect example of being narrow minded.[/QUOTE]I have asked many times for the plan for the horses which are currently being sent to slaughter. Apparently there is no plan from the people who are trying to ban slaughter and the transport to slaughter. It is somebody else’s problem to clean up their mess.
[QUOTE=luvmytbs;7124833]
Because of your slippery slope paranoia you think it’s perfectly fine that horses in the slaughter pipeline are being treated inhumanely and have to suffer from abuse.
Just like those who are supposed to enforce the transport to slaughter regulations, you shrug your shoulders and probably mumble (as they do): “Oh well, they’re going to slaughter anyways”.
You claim the writing has been on the wall for decades.
Well, you have had decades to protect your interests by standing strong against those abusers.
Instead, all you have done is make excuses and/or deny that the abuse is real, in between insulting everyone on COTH who actually cares about the welfare of horses.
Your pity party is really getting old.[/QUOTE]You seem to be saying that every horse being sent to slaughter is being abused. That is not true and you would know it if you did not drink the RARA koolaid. What writing has been on the wall for decades? I have no interests in the processing facilities. My interest is in what is better for the horse. The horse would be better served by being processed in a plant in the U.S. than a plant in a foreign country. There will still be the same number of horses being slaughtered in North America. There just will be no way for the supposed people who care about the welfare of the horse to have any affect on how it is done. As they could if it was done in the U.S… Once again it is somebody else’s problem so you do not care about those horses.
[QUOTE=wonderhorseguy;7125245]
I have asked many times for the plan for the horses which are currently being sent to slaughter. Apparently there is no plan from the people who are trying to ban slaughter and the transport to slaughter. It is somebody else’s problem to clean up their mess.[/QUOTE]
Because this is not about the horses themselves, or any other animal
The intent is to eliminate all domestic animals and the rights of humans to do anything at all with any animals.
Animal rights extremist don’t care about the animals themselves.
They don’t even like animals and the people that like them.
Animal rights extremist are working so their utopian, strange new world comes to be, where humans are if possible eliminated and animals free to do animal things without humans.
Because, you know, this world doesn’t suit them as it is.
That is why they are — ANIMAL RIGHTS EXTREMISTS.
Can’t reason with that kind of mindset.:no:
[QUOTE=ThreeFigs;7123516]
Bluey and Fairfax are correct. The RARA’s and Anti-slaughter crowd are misanthropes. Strangely, however, they don’t seem to want what’s best for the animals they claim to care about.
What would happen to our pets if somehow pet ownership were outlawed? If animal ownership equates with “animal slavery”, what happens when we “free” all the animals?
I do believe this is the ultimate goal of these animal activists. I consider them the enemies of animals, not their advocates.[/QUOTE]
We already know about animal rights activists. We know they are the enemy of animals.
We already know that our animals will not be taken away from us
We already know all animals will not be set free
None of the above has anything to do with animal welfare–which is what the majority here are posting about.
[QUOTE=Dispatcher;7125303]
We already know about animal rights activists. We know they are the enemy of animals.
We already know that our animals will not be taken away from us
We already know all animals will not be set free
None of the above has anything to do with animal welfare–which is what the majority here are posting about.[/QUOTE]
Animal welfare would see that whatever we do, here horse slaughter, is done properly.
That is something many give lip to, say “if it is done right, I agree it is a proper one more use of SOME horses”.
THAT is animal welfare.
Animal Rights Extremist are for animal welfare only as a convenience, to get them followers, but then don’t go for animal welfare concerns, that is obvious to anyone that follows what they do in general.
The animal rights extremist agenda is eliminating any and all we do with animals, here BAN horse slaughter.
Now, we have been pointing this out for pages now.
Why is it so hard to understand?
Yes, this is about the BAN horse slaughter animal rights extremist driven agenda, it really is.
[QUOTE=Bluey;7125309]
Animal welfare would see that whatever we do, here horse slaughter, is done properly.
That is something many give lip to, say “if it is done right, I agree it is a proper one more use of SOME horses”.
THAT is animal welfare.
Animal Rights Extremist are for animal welfare only as a convenience, to get them followers, but then don’t go for animal welfare concerns, that is obvious to anyone that follows what they do in general.
The animal rights extremist agenda is eliminating any and all we do with animals, here BAN horse slaughter.
Now, we have been pointing this out for pages now.
Why is it so hard to understand?
Yes, this is about the BAN horse slaughter animal rights extremist driven agenda, it really is.[/QUOTE]
um, what? Why is it so hard for you to understand that we are talking about animal welfare, not animal rights. THAT is what we are tlaking about, but you keep insisting this thread is about something else. Very bizarre, really.
[QUOTE=Lady Eboshi;7119319]
Bluey, go take a bathroom break or something, willya? I think you’ve been at this keyboard keeping up the holy cause of horse slaughter for about 18 straight years! :lol: Your perversity is exceeded only by your persistence–and you have YET to convince a single COTH’er that you’re right. Give it a rest![/QUOTE]
Some of us don’t need to be convinced that she’s right. Some of us have never sent a horse to slaughter, but do understand why and how it happens…
If you think banning will stop horses in the mid- and South West from being hauled to Mexico to the unregulated disasters down there, you are foolish. Yes, Canada is better, but the economics of the matter means more horses on bigger rigs, for longer times.
Please get out of the clouds and come down to the trenches.
[QUOTE=merrygoround;7125348]
Some of us don’t need to be convinced that she’s right. Some of us have never sent a horse to slaughter, but do understand why and how it happens…
If you think banning will stop horses in the mid- and South West from being hauled to Mexico to the unregulated disasters down there, you are foolish. Yes, Canada is better, but the economics of the matter means more horses on bigger rigs, for longer times.
Please get out of the clouds and come down to the trenches.[/QUOTE]
That is right.
I too have never sent a horse to slaughter, it just was not right for any horses we handled, as is not for most that have horses in the USA, although for many reasons that is different in other places in the world, where slaughter is for many the standard way to take care of all that produce a horse can be after dead, some of it for human food, yes.
That myself and so many others don’t use the slaughter process doesn’t mean it is evil and needs banned, any more than because I don’t care for certain gaited horses I now need to push they be banned, or pick whatever you don’t like, racing, rodeo, eventing, western pleasure.
Yes, this here IS about the animal rights extremist drive to BAN horse slaughter, it is even in the title, how can anyone say that is not what this thread is about?
Transportation issues CAN be solved.
This does not have to be a BAN of slaughter
As slaughter continues ALTERNATIVES will develope…and it might save tens of thousands of them over the next couple of years.
We hear about John Hollands solutions and those of Shedrow however none of the suggestions address the immediate yearly problem
But I do see Americans hit with ownership and breeding and showing taxes…other forums are discussing a possible 2$ per class from ALL shows…ABC etc but I do not see HSUS becoming a trusted member to handle the money. No John Holland nor any other group. I do see them trying to control horse ownership however.
If one reads the bills, there is no mention of equidae welfare.
Instead, they are coming from the point of human food safety. In other words that drugs given to many horses can’t be tracked, and that they likely pose a health risk to humans, so humans should not consume equine products.
The bill places the one sided (meaning producer of horses) responsibility of not permitting should-have-known sale to a buyer intending to slaughter, or transport to a third party whether within or outside of the USA to there be slaughtered and bans the above.
No mention of penalties, means of and financing enforcement, method of tracking of all equine sale or movements (which would become necessary if this were to ever be enforceable).
So why the equine welfare argument?
Not what the bills are about.
Transport to slaughter.
Sale to slaughter.
Sale and/or transport of consumable products of equine slaughter.
Due to unspecified concern for Human welfare.
That is about it.
[QUOTE=D_BaldStockings;7126572]
If one reads the bills, there is no mention of equidae welfare.
Instead, they are coming from the point of human food safety. In other words that drugs given to many horses can’t be tracked, and that they likely pose a health risk to humans, so humans should not consume equine products.
The bill places the one sided (meaning producer of horses) responsibility of not permitting should-have-known sale to a buyer intending to slaughter, or transport to a third party whether within or outside of the USA to there be slaughtered and bans the above.
No mention of penalties, means of and financing enforcement, method of tracking of all equine sale or movements (which would become necessary if this were to ever be enforceable).
So why the equine welfare argument?
Not what the bills are about.
Transport to slaughter.
Sale to slaughter.
Sale and/or transport of consumable products of equine slaughter.
Due to unspecified concern for Human welfare.
That is about it.[/QUOTE]
Maybe because the horse welfare people are finally getting smart. People all over the world are finally starting to worry about what’s in their food…the U.S. is sadly deficient in this area.
[QUOTE=LauraKY;7126808]
Maybe because the horse welfare people are finally getting smart. People all over the world are finally starting to worry about what’s in their food…the U.S. is sadly deficient in this area.[/QUOTE]
Interesting wrongheaded way to look at our world today.
Scaremongering does pay, at least sells books.
We have some of the most aboundant, varied, on demand, cleanest, safest products this world ever had the pleasure to enjoy.
We are getting better all the time about providing all those products for ever more people.
That is of course not good enough, because, why, it is not “perfct” ?:no:
I grew up with grocery stores with food in season, in bins and sacks.
Butcher shops with skinned rabbits and plucked chickens and half sheep hanging there, slabs of beef? on tables, all out there in the open, fly swatters were your friend, when it was available, which was not always.
All that not that much over half a century ago, that is not so long ago.
Many in this world still live like that or worse.:eek:
There is no way anyone with any sense can say what we had before and the illnesses people just lived with caused by that compares with what we have today, other than in the minds of the glass is half empty people, that will never be satisfied.
Do you own stock in Monsanto too Bluey?
You didn’t grow up in the U.S. We have refrigeration, pasteurization and antibiotics now (of course, because of blatant misuse by both the food industry and human patients, antibiotic resistance is a huge problem which is only getting worse). We have a bee disaster looming in the wings and everyone closes their eyes and tries to pretend we don’t have a problem.
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