Will these three year olds be next?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NImjRhM_APs
No one can possibly think those horses weren’t ridden hard as 2 YOs.
One thing about nailing on talent is that those TWHs are ridden in nothing but straight lines ‘in gait’ and not for very long.
It is not at all amusing to me that folks can visit this thread and be of a mind that stuff like the HPA is to be feared or hard fought as it might restrict our pleasures with our horses in some way.
WITW, Sunridge1 et al - you said it well. Very well. Hard for me to believe people have no concept of why such rules are needed. But there will always be unreasonable fearful people. That is how this thread came to be. Unreasonable fearful people looked the other way and allowed it.
Roy Rocks! I can see a whole line of TWH with reference to Roy in their names, much like the current trend of gangster low down names TWH pedigrees currently sport. If I was running a breeding barn, I would have me some CHesters (as in Gipson) and some Roys as well.
It is fun to look ahead to the new future of this breed isn’t it???
Keep it rolling! Write those letters and move it.
[QUOTE=CFFarm;6487648]
This is what they are trying to stop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuqN9n4RF4Y
And as an old race tracker I’ve always hated running two year olds. Even the stress on most 3 year olds is too much, but it takes $$$ to keep a baby around for another year so I dont’ see it happening there soon. The young horses of the past were a different animal. More hardy and less specialized. Besides, do any of the twh riders look like they could make a jockey’s weight?
I’ve heard all the arguements but still have my own opinion.[/QUOTE]
Just curious here - Has anyone looked up the participants in that class to see if any are violators on HPA??? And to my eye - the “winner” is off. You see it in the off nod. Poor horse. Love the way the guy wallops him in the flanks to come into the line up. Great horsemanship no??? Splendid show no??? The sorry horse deserved the snatching and kicking I am sure.
Hey!!! Tell me something… what is to stop us from putting little foals under saddle… or maybe yearlings??? It would be a blast!!! And hey - if they break down - well we will just breed us some more right?? fun fun fun.
We don’t need no rules.
[QUOTE=hurleycane;6488301]
Just curious here - Has anyone looked up the participants in that class to see if any are violators on HPA??? And to my eye - the “winner” is off. You see it in the off nod. Poor horse. Love the way the guy wallops him in the flanks to come into the line up. Great horsemanship no??? Splendid show no??? The sorry horse deserved the snatching and kicking I am sure.
Hey!!! Tell me something… what is to stop us from putting little foals under saddle… or maybe yearlings??? It would be a blast!!! And hey - if they break down - well we will just breed us some more right?? fun fun fun.
We don’t need no rules.[/QUOTE]
I think the point some are missing is not that “we don’t need rules”, but that we don’t need animal rights extremists making the rules.
Blanket statements of “well, lets ban riding two year olds” are the absurd proposals that will come from that and are not going to help what is wrong here.:no:
By the same idea of just banning riding two year olds, I would say just ban TWH and you will also eliminate what is wrong in TWH showing.
Right, senseless, throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Lets just ban all we don’t like.
For me, no more pads/stacks, or grotesque odd gaited horses, no NASCAR, no commercial sports like football and basketball, golf and tennis and while I am God for a day, no more drought also.:rolleyes:
Seriously, keep making the rules that help curb abuses and make them strong enough to throw the abusers in a dungeon.
Letting animal rights extremist groups, with their agendas to eliminate all animal uses, make rules like not riding two year olds in general, rules that will affect so many others than the ones here, when riding two year olds is not the problem anyway?
Senseless.:no:
History speaks volumes about why we need the HPA,it also says loads about needing a group that will draw back the curtains so those who think act and feel above the HPA LAW can be brought out into the light of truth about Soring.
Horse groups could have done what HSUS, they knew that the TWH BL had very very bad violators,what did they do,started their own show system.
walked away,HSUS did not walk away,Mr.Dane stayed,waited and when the tape came out he used it to open a curtain that would not be CLOSED just because the Shelbyville Slime said close it.
Now a judge has seen the pain these horses take at the hands of greedy heartless trainers and owners,and ceo’s like Meadows,he has known always known that the WGC are sored in some way.
Mullins went to VET school,he learned that dog walking drag is not and has never been the NATURAL WAY of going for a TWH.but he saw $$$$$$$ signs, so he helped men like Meadows, McConnell get this ABUSE accepted in SHELBTVILLE and the Walking horse world for the most part.
at this point and TIME i could really cae less about HSUS stopping people from having animals,I’ll cross that bridge after this battle is WON
THE BATTLE AT HAND IS TO STOP SORING IN MY LIFE TIME.
I’m going to quote part of the five demands set forth by the HSUS of the TWHNC:
FOR THE HORSE: Eliminate horses from competition, and from any property owned, leased or used by Celebration, Inc. if there is evidence of the application of one of several common soring techniques, including the use of all stacks, action devices or bands; the use of shoes weighing more than two pounds; the use of tail braces which require the tail to be cut; and the riding of two year olds under saddle.
While I understand that this specific letter is directed at TWHNC alone, it it my belief that the HSUS is little more than two steps away from:
FOR THE HORSE: Eliminate the riding of two year olds under saddle.
Some will not be bothered by that. Some will.
[QUOTE=aarpaso;6488542]
History speaks volumes about why we need the HPA,it also says loads about needing a group that will draw back the curtains so those who think act and feel above the HPA LAW can be brought out into the light of truth about Soring.
Horse groups could have done what HSUS, they knew that the TWH BL had very very bad violators,what did they do,started their own show system.
walked away,HSUS did not walk away,Mr.Dane stayed,waited and when the tape came out he used it to open a curtain that would not be CLOSED just because the Shelbyville Slime said close it.
Now a judge has seen the pain these horses take at the hands of greedy heartless trainers and owners,and ceo’s like Meadows,he has known always known that the WGC are sored in some way.
Mullins went to VET school,he learned that dog walking drag is not and has never been the NATURAL WAY of going for a TWH.but he saw $$$$$$$ signs, so he helped men like Meadows, McConnell get this ABUSE accepted in SHELBTVILLE and the Walking horse world for the most part.
at this point and TIME i could really cae less about HSUS stopping people from having animals,I’ll cross that bridge after this battle is WON
THE BATTLE AT HAND IS TO STOP SORING IN MY LIFE TIME.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. I don’t care where the help came from, and I’m sure the horses don’t either.
It is not the role of “other” horse groups to document TWH’s and Big Lick. Ask the average QH or Appy breeder about the TWH and they will not know what Big Lick is…having never seen it.
Mr Dane has TWENTY FIVE YEARS of involvement and he did not accomplish much other than to promote other non BL shows.
HSUS ONLY became involved due to the amount of money they will take in under the guise that THEY will protect the horse. Hence that ten thousand dollar turn in a violator…oh wait…that had been on their books for over 5 years
HSUS provided some good material and I will give them that. They have done NOTHING since…they are not offering to provide trained show soring testers…they will do nothing that will cost them money.
If they can eliminate soring enroute to eliminating horse shows and horse ownership so much the better
YOu will not cross “that” bridge after it is a law. Once a law is in place it will not be overturned “in YOUR lifetime” and that is a risk I am not willing to take.
READ HISTORY…READ WORLD WAR TWO…alarmist? absolutely…Those who refuse to read history are bound to relive it.
It all started with getting rid of the dirty Jew bankers who were bankrupting Germany…even Jews said…they will only take the bankers…then they came for the manufactures, business men, old people, kids and then the final goal…extermination of all Jew dogs.
Don’t ever think the elimination of animal ownership is NOT the goal.
[QUOTE=walknsound;6489113]
Agreed. I don’t care where the help came from, and I’m sure the horses don’t either.[/QUOTE]
Very shortsighted and shortsighted followers/defenders is what those groups are counting on.
[QUOTE=Bluey;6489191]
Very shortsighted and shortsighted followers/defenders is what those groups are counting on.:([/QUOTE]
Relax, the sky is not falling! The elimination of owning animals is “pie in the sky” for these groups, this is still America, and it simply ain’t happening. Meanwhile, if some good comes of it for the TWH, I’m grateful.
let me see, the end of SORING is going to cause all of us to give-up our RIGHT to own a HORSE.What PLANET do you live on or in.
The USET,the AQHA the ASB all the breed reg,would be up in ARMS over anything within a nats eyebrow of what you think is going to happen.
why are you all trying to spread that crap anyway. this is about the pain and suffering of the Walking Horse,and about those who think they are above the LAW.NOT the long term agenda of HSUS.
I don’t drink Canadian KOOL-AID jones
[QUOTE=aarpaso;6489426]
let me see, the end of SORING is going to cause all of us to give-up our RIGHT to own a HORSE.What PLANET do you live on or in.
The USET,the AQHA the ASB all the breed reg,would be up in ARMS over anything within a nats eyebrow of what you think is going to happen.
why are you all trying to spread that crap anyway. this is about the pain and suffering of the Walking Horse,and about those who think they are above the LAW.NOT the long term agenda of HSUS.
I don’t drink Canadian KOOL-AID jones[/QUOTE]
The statement was OTHERS had done nothing. I was stating most of them didn’t even know about Big Lick. The fact the TWH groups were unable to “cure” the soring issue would appear to be an internal issue.
Your quote: [I]
at this point and TIME i could really cae less about HSUS stopping people from having animals,I’ll cross that bridge after this battle is WON
[/I]
I responded by saying IF the law gets in place…it will not be overturned. STOP SORING…absolutely…It would appear the articles by Roy are having an impact.
We are already seeing in numerous states…more and more restrictions put in place to eliminate horses…some National Parks are banning horses as their fecal matter puts “oats” into an eco strato where it does not belong.
It does not have to be…swollow the HSUS Drink of Poison in order to get rid of soring.
[QUOTE=Fairfax;6489542]
The statement was OTHERS had done nothing. I was stating most of them didn’t even know about Big Lick. The fact the TWH groups were unable to “cure” the soring issue would appear to be an internal issue.
Your quote: [I]
at this point and TIME i could really cae less about HSUS stopping people from having animals,I’ll cross that bridge after this battle is WON
[/I]
I responded by saying IF the law gets in place…it will not be overturned. STOP SORING…absolutely…It would appear the articles by Roy are having an impact.
We are already seeing in numerous states…more and more restrictions put in place to eliminate horses…some National Parks are banning horses as their fecal matter puts “oats” into an eco strato where it does not belong.
It does not have to be…swollow the HSUS Drink of Poison in order to get rid of soring.[/QUOTE]
May I suggest instead of blaming the USHS for all these ills that you join your local horse council (and if you don’t have one-start one) or get in touch with your state reps and fight for horsemen’s rights. We did this in our county and saved beach riding when it came under fire. We have even built an equestrian center on county donated land and they are adding trails throughout the county all the time.
But that’s a subject for another thread. Carry on.
[QUOTE=CFFarm;6489991]
May I suggest instead of blaming the USHS for all these ills that you join your local horse council (and if you don’t have one-start one) or get in touch with your state reps and fight for horsemen’s rights. We did this in our county and saved beach riding when it came under fire. We have even built an equestrian center on county donated land and they are adding trails throughout the county all the time.
But that’s a subject for another thread. Carry on.[/QUOTE]
You seem to be assuming that you are the only one that does just that and much more that needs to be done?
Thank you CFFARM,
the ill will for HSUS is better on another thread,for without the video of Jackie the Jerk the subject of Soring would not have been NEWS worthy.
Roy would not have really known about the pain and suffering of the Tn Walking Horse,but when he saw that video and heard with his own ears the painful crys of that HORSE he stepped up,THANK GOD.the HSUS opened the window and Roy Exum turned on the LIGHTs.a judge has heard from not hundreds but thousands of people that want this practice of SORING STOPPED. thats what this THREAD is ABOUT,STOPPING SORING now.
good nite folks
All right. HSUS provided a video documenting TWH abuse. Nightline aired it in May. For those of you who abhor HSUS - there is no use crying over spilt milk.
Those of us who have been wanting Big Lick exposed and hopefully stopped are grateful for the footage. I for one am getting tired of this thread being a dumping ground for HSUS complaints. WE GET IT. They have an agenda.
There is SO much more going on. USDA strengthening the HPA, AAEP and AVMA announcing they dont support action devices and stacks, the Tennessee fair inviting NWHA to show horses, Oregon banning performance classes,etc. This thread is all about positive change for the TWH. There are plenty of HSUS trashing threads to go post in… or start a new one. The negative posts are not appreciated here. And i especially take offense to disparaging remarks about Mr Dane.
[QUOTE=WalkInTheWoods;6490102]
All right. HSUS provided a video documenting TWH abuse. Nightline aired it in May. For those of you who abhor HSUS - there is no use crying over spilt milk.
Those of us who have been wanting Big Lick exposed and hopefully stopped are grateful for the footage. I for one am getting tired of this thread being a dumping ground for HSUS complaints. WE GET IT. They have an agenda.
There is SO much more going on. USDA strengthening the HPA, AAEP and AVMA announcing they dont support action devices and stacks, the Tennessee fair inviting NWHA to show horses, Oregon banning performance classes,etc. This thread is all about positive change for the TWH. There are plenty of HSUS trashing threads to go post in… or start a new one. The negative posts are not appreciated here. And i especially take offense to disparaging remarks about Mr Dane.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely agree! I refuse to be distracted from stopping soring by people whose motives are questionable.
[QUOTE=Bluey;6490002]
You seem to be assuming that you are the only one that does just that and much more that needs to be done?[/QUOTE]
Really Bluey? What specifically have YOU done?
WITW WNS - Tell it! You too ARP aaaaand CFF!!!
I am looking forward to the day. You know - THE day. The f.i.n.a.l column!
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