Tennessee Walking Horse Soring Issue *Update post 1*

I own a grandson of The Pusher and Coins Hard Cash. He’s the brightest, most honest horse on the planet. He was poorly started and badly managed as ‘they’ wanted him to be a BL horse. He flunked. My ineptitude got in the way of me finding his gears- and he has a lovely flat walk and running walk.

Main Power (WGC padded horse) sired by good friend’s BAREFOOT lite shod show horse. Gummi walks a damn hole in the ground, he’s amazing. And he’s barefoot.

Please: For the sake of the TWH: let’s go easy on they bred the gait out of them. In my experience, some are pacey as hell, yes: But they aren’t trash.

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Yep, and flat shod horses can be sored too.[/QUOTE]

And not only in the TWH breed. As in Paso’s.

My Rock a Billy Bob/Society Lee Allen’s mare can walk a hole in the ground barefoot. Very correct, huge overstride, beautiful meaningful head nod. Soft, supple, powerful… She is old foundation though… through and through.

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My Rock a Billy Bob/Society Lee Allen’s mare can walk a hole in the ground barefoot. Very correct, huge overstride, beautiful meaningful head nod. Soft, supple, powerful… She is old foundation though… through and through.[/QUOTE]
You should breed her if she is that good!

Lawmakers and Vets: Zero Tolerance for Horse SoringThe 74th annual Tennessee Walking Horse National Celebration began this week in Shelbyville, Tenn., and the jury is still out on whether the industry will make good on its promises to improve treatment of show horses in the wake of shocking undercover investigations revealing cruelty by one of the biggest names in the world of training and show. The act of “soring” horses—applying chemicals and other painful substances to their hooves and legs to force an artificially high-stepping gait—has been illegal under the federal Horse Protection Act since 1970, but it’s so rampant in the industry that the vast majority of horses tested by the U.S. Department of Agriculture for prohibited foreign substances at previous horse shows had been treated with numbing or masking agents.

When federal laws are broken, whether it’s horse soring, animal fighting, or other criminal abuses, we need agency inspectors and law enforcement officials to do everything they can to root out the perpetrators and prevent further violations. Surprisingly, some members of Congress aligned with the walking horse industry appear to be leaning on USDA and discouraging inspectors from doing everything they can to stop soring. As Roy Exum reported in The Chattanoogan, U.S. Rep. Scott DeJarlais, R-Tenn., wrote a letter stating he is “concerned” about USDA’s enforcement actions, and believes “they are unacceptable and create great uncertainty for the industry.” (As Exum noted, DesJarlais also opposed strengthening the federal law against dogfighting and cockfighting.)

Thankfully, other members of Congress from the region are strongly supporting USDA’s work to enforce the law and prevent illegal cruelty to horses. U.S. Reps. Ed Whitfield, R-Ky., and Steve Cohen, D-Tenn., sent a letter this week to USDA Secretary Tom Vilsack, to express their “support for USDA’s efforts to detect, eliminate, and punish the cruel soring of Tennessee Walking Horses.” The lawmakers thanked USDA “for finalizing a rule requiring Horse Industry Organizations to issue mandatory minimum penalties for violations of the Horse Protection Act” and applauded the agency “for taking this step to strengthen enforcement of the HPA and end this inhumane practice.”

Reps. Whitfield and Cohen further noted, “With this year’s Tennessee Walking Horse National Celebration commencing this week, we urge USDA to establish and maintain a strong enforcement presence at that show. We recognize the tension underlying this year’s Celebration, given resistance to the new rule and recent criminal prosecutions under the HPA. We commend USDA and its inspectors for executing their inspection duties with diligence and integrity.”

The letter from the lawmakers included a press release issued by the American Veterinary Medical Association and the American Association of Equine Practitioners also calling for strong enforcement at the Celebration. These key veterinary groups cited the widespread violations of the Horse Protection Act, noting that “SHOW, a horse industry organization (HIO) that will be inspecting horses during this year’s Celebration, is one of three HIOs for which the USDA is pursuing decertification, citing failure to comply with USDA mandatory penalties. Despite SHOW’s claim of a 98.5 percent compliance rate with the HPA at events they inspect, USDA swab tests on 52 horses at the 2011 Tennessee Walking Horse National Celebration resulted in 52 positive findings for foreign substances.” They urged veterinarians to take steps to report violations and said there “must be zero tolerance for this abuse.”

We are grateful to USDA for its work to enforce the Horse Protection Act and end criminal soring abuses, and to Reps. Whitfield and Cohen and the veterinary community for standing on the side of law enforcement and horse protection.

[QUOTE=The Gringo;6512110]
Good afternoon all. I came across this website and thread quite by accident after reading the many articles published on the Chattanoogan website written by Mr. Roy Exum about The Tennessee Walking Horse. Having owned, raised and exhibited Tennessee Walking Horses in years past, I spent quite some time reading through the various posts in this thread.

It would seem many of you think he should be put up for sainthood for his call to eliminate the “Big Lick” Tennessee Walking Horse. In post #2031 Hurleycane stated “we need to get behind that thought on a perpetual Roy Exum trophy class.” I have to say not so fast, it’s pretty easy to point to the horrific video released by HSUS and try vilify the Walking Horse people, certain politicians etc. but does that make you a true horse lover? In the case of Mr. Exum it most certainly does not. If he truly loved horses he would not have written this piece back in 2008

http://www.chattanoogan.com/2008/5/4/127244/Roy-Exum-A-Horse-Goes-Down.aspx

It would seem he has no problem with a 3 year old racehorse dying because in his words when she broke down “the horse itself was doing what she wanted most to do in the whole wide world.” Oh really? And you know this how? My guess is this must have been the general opinion at the Country Club where you used to play golf and tennis with Muffy and Biff. You really should share this bit of wisdom with Eight Belles trainer Larry Jones and the other Thoroughbred trainers, as it would save them a fortune not having to pay Hispanic midgets to sit on their backs while swatting them with whips all the way to the finish line.

As his 2008 article demonstrates Roy “jumped the shark” a long time ago, before he ever heard of Walking Horses or Jackie McConnell. Stop drinking this hack’s kool-aid; he’s no more a horse lover than is Jackie Mc Connell. His writing reminds me of a schoolyard bully picking on some handicapped kid and those of you lauding his writing only encourages him.

This man is a total phony and a very poor excuse for a writer. The Walking Horse industry like many other horse disciplines needs to be cleaned up. Stating the obvious as Mr. Exum has done over and over again is not likely going to accomplish anything.[/QUOTE]

When someone makes racist, uneducated, statements like this I can’t take them seriously. Er, carry on…

i still would like to know who’s camp fire ole Gringo sets at.#2112

reading post 2133,i just can’t understand how the BL gang thinks it will beable to continue the pratice of Soring,and use of stacks n chains.

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i still would like to know who’s camp fire ole Gringo sets at.#2112

reading post 2133,i just can’t understand how the BL gang thinks it will beable to continue the pratice of Soring,and use of stacks n chains.[/QUOTE]

Truth is truth, whether spoken by the Satan or Jesus Christ.

Of course, Satan is generally a stranger to truth.

You have to evaluate what is being said, not run up the “rabbit trail” of ad hominem argument.

In today’s world that’s tough because most people think “logic” is what they hear from Mr. Spock on StarTrek (and it’s not). Further, in a world where news is Tweeted in 140 characters nuance and context are quickly lost.

Beware of zealots. They know truth less than Old Scratch, himself.

G.

No, we need to be hard on them for breeding the gait out. The majority of horses are pacey, many TWH’s actually perform a rack, and a very, very small handful can perform a natural running walk. It is not acceptable that TWH owners have to work so hard to find the gait in their horse (and even with training, many horses will never do a running walk). The fault lies with the breeders, and ultimately with the Big Lick, for breeding the gait out.

Thanks to the Big Lick, the TWH, as a breed with a natural running walk is pretty much gone .

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Please: For the sake of the TWH: let’s go easy on they bred the gait out of them. In my experience, some are pacey as hell, yes: But they aren’t trash.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Malda;6517278]
No, we need to be hard on them for breeding the gait out. The majority of horses are pacey, many TWH’s actually perform a rack, and a very, very small handful can perform a natural running walk. It is not acceptable that TWH owners have to work so hard to find the gait in their horse (and even with training, many horses will never do a running walk). The fault lies with the breeders, and ultimately with the Big Lick, for breeding the gait out.

Thanks to the Big Lick, the TWH, as a breed with a natural running walk is pretty much gone .[/QUOTE]

Well, there are some breeders out there that have seen this coming down the pike… thankfully, and have kept some of the old lines going. The Heritage folks have some nice horses that have correct movement and conformation for the breed. Part of the issue is that alot of folks don’t know what a true RW is. there are infinite variations of a four beat gait. Once you ride on though, the rest just do NOT hold a candle.

Aarpaso, in answer to your question as to my choice of screen names, it came about a long time ago. My stepson who is from Colombia referred to me as “The Gringo” in a conversation he was having with his Aunt (he was all of about 10 at the time). I told the story to some of my friends at my local watering hole who found it funny as did I and the nickname sort of stuck. I’ve used it for a screen name ever since.

I’m thinking that the Roy Exum fans haven’t bothered to read or can’t comprehend the opinion he wrote re: Eight Belles breakdown. If you did you could see the hypocrisy in his statement “don’t look for me to be among those who this week will call for horse racing to be victimized by a federal investigation, hounded by animal rights activists or cast in any lesser light than one of the most glorious and wonderful sports known to mankind”.

I’m not trying to discourage any scrutiny of the Walking Horse industry, it’s well deserved. Mr. Exum however feels horse racing should get a pass. I simply asked, why?

In the interest of political correctness I edited my original post to read Latin American little people.

my screen name tells it,over 50 ride gaited.

all i care about is that Kand R are speaking out for the 40 plus yrs of abuse that has been and still is being done to the TWH,

in the 1950/1960 the state of Tn and TWHBEA formulated rules forbidding the practice of soring horses and to ensure that training methods used to produce the Big Lick were ETHICAL and NOT harmful to the HORSE.

Jackie McConnell and 161 violation to the HPA is proof enough to me that the TWHBEA and the STATE of Tn.ignored what was happening to the TWH.:yes: in order to rid this country of the BL WE Need people like Roy Exum.

we all look at things differently i understand this, but to hear a horse screaming in pain,cuts to the very deepths of my soul.

and another thing if both National Veterinarian organinations are calling for the END to Soring and packages. are we as HUMANS so stupid not to understand that this practice must harm the horse.

I’m sorry the Practice of Soring HURTS everyone, First and formost The Horse,than its a form of Cheating,of not being honest in your dealings. it produces lairs,not only the trainer but the groom and other barn staff,the vet,the farrier,the owner the FAMILIES of all these PEOPLE. all in some way have broken the law,the law of common decency.

far fetched i don’t think so.

Maybe because you don’t have to break the law to get a horse to run fast.

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Maybe because you don’t have to break the law to get a horse to run fast.[/QUOTE]

This would be a surprise to a whole bunch of state officials who regulate racing.

G.

Did he really say that or is this just another way to take the focus off the issue at HAND the ILLEGAL PRACTICE of SORING,The ignoring of the LAW (a 42 yr old LAW)that the Shelbyville Slime feels does not apply to THEM.

back on track here its about the TWH.

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Did he really say that or is this just another way to take the focus off the issue at HAND the ILLEGAL PRACTICE of SORING,The ignoring of the LAW (a 42 yr old LAW)that the Shelbyville Slime feels does not apply to THEM.

back on track here its about the TWH.[/QUOTE]

What he said was he didn’t think race horses were abused. He believes thoroughbreds enjoy running…

I don’t think he feels padded performance horses enjoy what they’re doing or the abuse it requires to do it. That doesn’t make him a hypocrit.

To get back on track here about the TWH, I’ve been watching the videos online from this years Celebration. I’m not sure who to give credit to but it appears that the efforts to eliminate the sore horse from the ring are working. I see a huge difference in the way the horses competing this year are moving in comparison to years past.

This should make people who are genuinely concerned with the welfare of the horse happy. I know however there are going to be people who don’t want to hear this since bashing the performance horse is their sole agenda. Bash away, I’m just telling you that I see a difference and my initial involvement with the breed began over 30 years ago. I attended my first Celebration in 1981 the year The Pusher CG won, so I’m no babe in the woods when it comes to being able to spot the signs of a sore horse.

The TWH is a fantastic breed of horse as anyone who has ever owned one knows. I’m encouraged by what I see taking place and hope the best is yet to come.

There are campfires and then there are campfires

[QUOTE=The Gringo;6518612]
To get back on track here about the TWH, I’ve been watching the videos online from this years Celebration. I’m not sure who to give credit to You could start with USDA, Nightline, HSUS, AAEP, AVMA, Farriers Assoc, FOSH,NWHA,etc but it appears that the efforts to eliminate the sore horse from the ring are working. I see a huge difference in the way the horses competing this year are moving in comparison to years past.

This should make people who are genuinely concerned with the welfare of the horse happy. Not real happy. Glad that some of the sore horses are being eliminated from classes. But to me, any horse wearing a package is an abused horse. I know however there are going to be people who don’t want to hear this since bashing the performance horse is their sole agenda. Thats my stand. Bash away, Will do until performance classes are eliminated I’m just telling you that I see a difference and my initial involvement with the breed began over 30 years ago. I attended my first Celebration in 1981 the year The Pusher CG won, so I’m no babe in the woods Thanks for revealing your stand on this and you wont need to save me a place at your campfire. when it comes to being able to spot the signs of a sore horse.

The TWH is a fantastic breed of horse as anyone who has ever owned one knows. Agree 100% I’m encouraged by what I see taking place and hope the best is yet to come.We have a different take on what is best.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=The Gringo;6518612]
To get back on track here about the TWH, I’ve been watching the videos online from this years Celebration. I’m not sure who to give credit to but it appears that the efforts to eliminate the sore horse from the ring are working. I see a huge difference in the way the horses competing this year are moving in comparison to years past.

This should make people who are genuinely concerned with the welfare of the horse happy. I know however there are going to be people who don’t want to hear this since bashing the performance horse is their sole agenda. Bash away, I’m just telling you that I see a difference and my initial involvement with the breed began over 30 years ago. I attended my first Celebration in 1981 the year The Pusher CG won, so I’m no babe in the woods when it comes to being able to spot the signs of a sore horse.

The TWH is a fantastic breed of horse as anyone who has ever owned one knows. I’m encouraged by what I see taking place and hope the best is yet to come.[/QUOTE]

Well said Gringo, but I am sure your post will not be read with favor on this forum!
I have been watching the current Celebration, and would agree about your opinion of how the horses look as compared to other years!