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Kinda like you and your blah blah blah vendetta against HSUS. Quit nitpicking. It is growing tiresome.[/QUOTE]
Yes - FF has not presented much new himself. LOL.
The outrage experienced in TN has spread into other states, as well as the questioning of related practices in other breeds.
There are already signs that some are taking pre-emptive measures to squash any implications of HPA violations in KY.
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The outrage experienced in TN has spread into other states, as well as the questioning of related practices in other breeds.
There are already signs that some are taking pre-emptive measures to squash any implications of HPA violations in KY.[/QUOTE]
Thank You
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Exactly. Where is he ? And why wasnt he given a thorough examination including removing his shoes ? Im sure Chad isnt stupid enough to have presented a horse with chemicaled-up legs so why could this horse not even walk? This is not rocket science. Why did that horse not undergo an exam to reveal the source of his pain ?[/QUOTE]
If the DQP/Vet. orders the shoes to be removed and nothing is found then they are responsible for the cost of having them put back on. This is one reason why detecting “pressure shoeing” is so difficult.
G.
P,S. Somebody should warn Roy that drinking HSUS koolaid can lead to an upset stomach.
The cost would be prohibitive then to do routinely, but in this case, with a horse that can hardly walk…They may have had their reasons, but i would think if the horse had legs that were cool to the touch and feet that werent, the shoes should have come off. G i have a question for you. Although the soring is done on the front end, those hind legs sure take a beating, going all sprawly and wiggle wobbly. Is a DQP allowed to touch the back legs ?
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The cost would be prohibitive then to do routinely, but in this case, with a horse that can hardly walk…They may have had their reasons, but i would think if the horse had legs that were cool to the touch and feet that werent, the shoes should have come off. G i have a question for you. Although the soring is done on the front end, those hind legs sure take a beating, going all sprawly and wiggle wobbly. Is a DQP allowed to touch the back legs ?[/QUOTE]
I’d have to review current rules, but IIRC the DQP could inspect the rear legs for soring, but not for “taking a beating.” That would be invading the domain of a vet.
The DQP mandate is narrow, as is the mandate of a USDA vet. Each has lawful authority to look for a specific unlawful activity. Absent that authority neither could touch any horse without the permission of the owner, caretaker, rider, etc.
G.
The back leg question is a good one. Many a horse in the show ring with hind leg/hip offness that actually win. Which IMO points to incredible lack of both judging and horsemanship for the TWH.
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The back leg question is a good one. Many a horse in the show ring with hind leg/hip offness that actually win. Which IMO points to incredible lack of both judging and horsemanship for the TWH.[/QUOTE]
I’ve suspected for many years, based upon rehabbing a number of former BL horses, that hip, hock, and stiffle injuries are likely more common, serious and long term than injury to the shoulders or the deformations observed in the hooves. I also wonder about long term, permanent back soreness as a result of the very pernicious way of going the BL demands.
G.
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has anyone heard that there is a new name for the Big Lick,is being said they may start calling it the Shelbyville Style Walking Horse. now is this crazy or what,
maybe cause the words Big LICK make people think sored. who knows?[/QUOTE]
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…well…you know. Hopefully normal walking will prevail.
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Yes, I like Honors.
This is him from earlier this year.
I don’t ‘like’ padded horses but I think this one is sound, is not sored, and has not been abused.
Again, the only horse I’ve personally seen sored was a lite shod SSH. No pads anywhere on the grounds. Just a very cooked baby horse. They do not have to be padded to be abused.
so yes, I’m fine with Honors. He’s a nice horse. I wonder what he’d look like w/o all that crap on his feet ;)[/QUOTE]
SERIOUSLY??? YOU DON’T THINK THIS HORSE IS SORED?? He is so sored it’s not even a question. NONE of those horses walk and squat like that unless they are hurting. Pull his shoes turn him out and see how he walks THEN. WAKE UP!!! Nice surgically altered tail too…Madness…who wakes up in the morning thinking any of this is “pretty”…???:mad:
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I’ve suspected for many years, based upon rehabbing a number of former BL horses, that hip, hock, and stiffle injuries are likely more common, serious and long term than injury to the shoulders or the deformations observed in the hooves. I also wonder about long term, permanent back soreness as a result of the very pernicious way of going the BL demands.
G.[/QUOTE]
There is no doubt those horses suffer back and hind leg, stifle injuries. I would bet that is the least of their problems…I’m sure the owners just inject and carry on. The riders SIT on the horses kidneys for God’s sake. Wearing their ridiculous polyester gangster style suits and hats thinking they look cool. Has anyone addressed the tacked cross chained nosebands and surgically altered tails??? just one more abusive technique they use to “enhance” the gait.
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SERIOUSLY??? YOU DON’T THINK THIS HORSE IS SORED?? He is so sored it’s not even a question. NONE of those horses walk and squat like that unless they are hurting. Pull his shoes turn him out and see how he walks THEN. WAKE UP!!! Nice surgically altered tail too…Madness…who wakes up in the morning thinking any of this is “pretty”…???:mad:[/QUOTE]
There is a technical description of soring as spelled out in the HPA. This horse may or may not have been sored chemically or pressure shod.
I think you are using the term sore to mean a horse forced to move that way because of the clown shoes nailed on his feet and chains applied to further enhance that manufactured gait.
The vast majority of posters in this thread go beyond being against soring, and we are also against the stacked shoes and action devices used by the trainers who produce Performance (Big Lick) horses.
Welcome to you and thanks for joining in the conversation !
Well if he’s not sore now, he’s going to be. What the hell is wrong with people? How can anyone think that’s good for an animal.
“Wearing their ridiculous polyester gangster style suits and hats thinking they look cool.” Love it Ret Star!!! So true!!!
Screaming in caps does nothing to improve your attack. It just makes it taller.
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“Wearing their ridiculous polyester gangster style suits and hats thinking they look cool.” Love it Ret Star!!! So true!!![/QUOTE]
Those “ridiculous polyester gangster” style that you are referring to, often times are made of wool and other fine fabrics. They often cost alot of money, especially when custom made. The same for hats
I agree that a few of the trainers slouch forward and it looks very bad, but the mostly men that do that are few and far between. I don’t know of any women that ride that way. Most of them have great riding skills! Take another look at the videos that you all seem to love to watch!
[QUOTE=WalkInTheWoods;6541038]
There is a technical description of soring as spelled out in the HPA. This horse may or may not have been sored chemically or pressure shod.
I think you are using the term sore to mean a horse forced to move that way because of the clown shoes nailed on his feet and chains applied to further enhance that manufactured gait.
The vast majority of posters in this thread go beyond being against soring, and we are also against the stacked shoes and action devices used by the trainers who produce Performance (Big Lick) horses.
Welcome to you and thanks for joining in the conversation ![/QUOTE]
I don’t see how anyone can think that this way of going is OK. Not evem remotely. Sored or not.
cordial we know that you defend Big Licks because you own one. I consider your opinion of the “great riding skills” of a rider mounted on a BL horse preposterous. As in Wow that rider really rides that freakish crawling spit-flingin heavy-breathing
horse well !
RET Star the attire that is worn are called DayCoat and Jodphurs,the way the men are riding is called goose-necking,the toes are pointed down and the heels are up,this is to keep the upper body wt forward off the hind.some women ride this way as well,this is done to accommodate the grotesque manner in which these horses are made to walk. this manner of riding is not seen anywhere but the TWH performance classes.
the dayCoat and Jodphurs attire was taken from park pleasure class of other breeds.
[QUOTE=WalkInTheWoods;6541301]
cordial we know that you defend Big Licks because you own one. I consider your opinion of the “great riding skills” of a rider mounted on a BL horse preposterous. As in Wow that rider really rides that freakish crawling spit-flingin heavy-breathing
horse well ![/QUOTE]
Then you have not seen or ridden a padded horse. It is not for the novice amateur…way more skill involved then you could imagin. I consider most of your opinions preposterous…just saying.
Just because we have a padded horse DOES NOT mean that we believe in soring or any of the other things that SOME, NOT ALL, do to big licks. I know that you can’t wrap your brain around that concept, that not all people that own padded horses do this stuff!
