I took a second and looked up some of Trakehner post.
I’m here to tell ya i’ll not stop yelling writing calling voting for the end to SORING. and to the ARREST of those that do it.
i hold a CTC in my state and it is good in a whole bunch of other STATES too.
i don’t believe a cattle prode should be used on a Horse.even if you think its a menace.
[QUOTE=aarpaso;6546287]
It has long been the job of the elite of the TWH to try and sell to the public this grotesque performance of the walking horse.this way of SHOWING is the REASON (IMO) that many if not all of these horses are sored in some way.either by stacks of pads or mustard oil concoctions ect:along with chains.if this type of class was dropped than the need to have these things done would END. and an era of clean beautiful natural gaited walking horses would become the TWH of TN.[/QUOTE]
Pads…causing soring is usually the next line.
I do understand the extreme stacks but even then, vets are NOT all in agreement and these vets have nothing to do with TWH’s. Shoeing…chemicals…absolutely can be used in a soring fashing BUT…pads…even stacked? how many makes a stack? Some breeds allow FOUR…
check out post 2364,watch it, there is a picture of a stack and pkage maybe you could count the pads and let me know.
some breeds ban the use of them.:eek:
How about anything more than what is needed for medicinal/therapeutic purposes is a “stack”
[QUOTE=cordial;6543813]
Yes, I have to agree with you…finding each other preposterous, but you my friend ,who thinks you know so much about BL’s, are incorrect on so many levels.
But trying to agrue in the defense of the padded horse is like trying to reason with a room full of people with memory loss. Have a nice day![/QUOTE]
There IS no defense
[QUOTE=carolprudm;6547222]
There IS no defense[/QUOTE]
Simple beauty right there.
[QUOTE=hurleycane;6545367]
Sooooo tiresome FF. Please show us pictures of the “pads” on your personal horses - or measure how high they are. Then let’s compare to a stacked TWH. Or better yet, if you want to demonstrate how therapeutic or how useful they are for training, how about you stack some on one of your trotters and give us an essay on how enhanced their movement is.
Such baloney.
What the stacking folks do is the equivalent if riding a horse with a patent bar shoe. Only THAT shoe is actually therapeutic and its place for a stall REST only.
No matter how you try and couch it, your beloved weighted and padded shoes are not therapeutic nor are they for training. They are simply to change the arch of travel of the foot. Take those heavy shoes off and bye bye big whomping foot waving trot.
WHY do they lose the big trot with the loss of the shoe you ask???
Cause they have no real training behind it!
So take training and therapy out of your knee jerk defensive reasons to allow TWH to stack their horses. Better yet, just ask your saddlebred kin why they did not walk on down that same path the TWH did and bastardize the ASB Arab gait further with more and more stacks.
Cause they found the result ugly.
Ugly got past the TWH folks.[/QUOTE]
Right there where I have highlighted in red proves that you really don’t have as much of a clue as you think you do. There is no “big trot” nor a “little trot” undersaddle of any good TWH. If they trot undersaddle, somebody either has a dud or has confused the poor horse so much that he doesn’t know what to do. If you are talking about ASB, you have not watched the babies in the field with that knee popping trot. Walking horse babies do their gaits too naturally. Yes, the pads add a little height, but you can’t make a “big backend” and deep overstride if it is not there to begin with.
CORDIAL, why did you make me wade in here to keep you from being alone with these people that don’t understand, don’t want to understand and paint us all with the same brush. They “ain’t right” to turn a phrase.I had made up my mind to stay away and not comment and hope that maybe they would buy a clue. I love ya dearly, so I waded in here to stand with you. These folks will never understand that a stack of rubber pads does not hurt a horse.Even if you add a weight to the bottom of that pad, it does not hurt a horse. Chemicals hurt a horse, and we don’t use those. Not everyone that has padded horses sores them. A 6 ounce chain on a 1200# horse hung right ( not loose enough to bang) without chemicals does not hurt a horse.It is no more than a bracelet or a watch to you and I. You and I both know that, however, some people fail at that logic. They don’t realize that we fight and carry on amongst ourselves occasionally, but we are a family, and we’ll get thru this, pads and all. We didn’t give a hoot when the USEF dropped us, and we won’t care now. There are bad apples in every group, and we are getting rid of ours. The padded horse is here to stay, and I don’t care what these women on pitty-pat horses that think Champagne Watchout is a good horse think. They simply don’t matter, thus why I have been absent from this discussion.
They do however think that jumping at stationary walls and down hills and running off the edge of a jump (have no idea what it is called, but it was the one in the Olympics where so many horses fell) etc is good for a horse. They have no room to talk-how many horses died at Rolex over the last decade? How many died at the Celebration ( 0 )? How about the kids pony that died at Pony Finals this year? Seems to me that they need to sweep their own doorsteps before they sweep ours.
TO YOU BUSYBODIES:
As far as the personal attacks on the saddle seat suits and the size of the riders…so classless, so tacky, but why should I expect anything more from you. Not everyone is a size 2, and just because someone is heavy does not mean they can’t ride beautifully. I do, for what it is worth, and I am by no means a ballerina sized rider. As for the clothes, no, they don’t look stupid. They look nice, and cost a good bit, and at least we don’t have to all look alike.That would drive me crazy. We don’t have to worry about someone crying foul because “OMG, she wore hot pink lining in her coat-doesn’t she know we are to be conservatively dressed.” Bring on the hot pink, honey, we’ll be fine.
How many died at Celebration ? Dunno How many wish they were dead is the question.
You know Gnalli i could quote your post and turn several lines red and pick them apart but im not going to waste my time.
Gnali - the post was directed at Fairfax and saddlebreds. It is an e.n.t.r.e.l.y. different movement without the weighted shoe. If the movement were natural and trained:
[INDENT][INDENT]WHY OH WHY would they lament the potential loss of action devices?[/INDENT][/INDENT]
P.S. Not only can they not SEE they can not read either.
GNALLI CORDIAL AND FFif there is not a problem with Stacks and packages and action devices WHY would 2, yes two associations be speaking NEGATIVELY toward the use of them.
i would have found it and posted for you to read, but having read your early post i can see that the AVMA, NOR THE AAEP would mean a thing to such knowledgeable equine Professionals such as yourseleves.
I would sooner believe my Equine Practitioner.
Why did the USEF drop you?
[QUOTE=Trakehner;6546752]
After 2300 posts on this topic, hasn’t it been flogged to death!
How about putting an end to all this repetition.[/QUOTE]
Why did you feel the need after 2300 posts to say that? I’m glad this keeps to the top of the forum both here and elsewhere.
[QUOTE=Fairfax;6546961]Pads…causing soring is usually the next line.
I do understand the extreme stacks but even then, vets are NOT all in agreement and these vets have nothing to do with TWH’s. Shoeing…chemicals…absolutely can be used in a soring fashing BUT…pads…even stacked? how many makes a stack? Some breeds allow FOUR…[/QUOTE]
I know some people,very few though, are talking about all pads. period. I do think that for the most part people understand that even in breeds that use some pads are not the same thing as the 20 or so pads (just throwing out that number btw) that the big licks apply. If it matters I have a saddlebred grew up showing them so i do know the difference. Four thin leather pads do not a big lick make. As some one up thread mentioned chemical is major but t added to pads is a completely different set of circumstances.
ROOD & RIDDLE RELEASES STATEMENT ON TENNESSEE WALKING HORSES
"As recently correctly reported on the Internet Dr. Scott Hopper of the Rood and Riddle Equine Hospital was recently in attendance at the 2012 Tennessee Walking Horse Show in Shelbyville, Tennessee as a volunteer observer and consultant. Contrary to Internet reports Dr. Hopper was not paid, did not call a press conference, and did not repeat the examination on all of the horses examined by the USDA inspectors.
Dr. Hopper and the Rood and Riddle Equine Hospital enthusiastically support the efforts of the AAEP and the AVMA to eliminate the use of painful means to affect a horse’s gait in training or performance.
Dr. Hopper’s presence is testament to our belief that there is value in the restoration of the horses of the Tennessee Walking Breed to their original, once proud, plantation heritage, and in the reformation of the municipal celebration of Shelbyville, Tennessee to its seventy four year old roots of showing horses in their best light, not in some aberration of their strengths. It is our belief that active veterinary involvement is paramount in bringing about positive change in the care of all breeds of horses for all uses
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/sep/08/soring-prosecutor-hits-law-warns-horse-tennessee/
This link also provides a link to download the entire sentencing memorandum
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Nope, as much as abusers would like for us to away, not happening.[/QUOTE]
LIKE
[QUOTE=WalkInTheWoods;6547816]
ROOD & RIDDLE RELEASES STATEMENT ON TENNESSEE WALKING HORSES
"As recently correctly reported on the Internet Dr. Scott Hopper of the Rood and Riddle Equine Hospital was recently in attendance at the 2012 Tennessee Walking Horse Show in Shelbyville, Tennessee as a volunteer observer and consultant. Contrary to Internet reports Dr. Hopper was not paid, did not call a press conference, and did not repeat the examination on all of the horses examined by the USDA inspectors.
Dr. Hopper and the Rood and Riddle Equine Hospital enthusiastically support the efforts of the AAEP and the AVMA to eliminate the use of painful means to affect a horse’s gait in training or performance.
Dr. Hopper’s presence is testament to our belief that there is value in the restoration of the horses of the Tennessee Walking Breed to their original, once proud, plantation heritage, and in the reformation of the municipal celebration of Shelbyville, Tennessee to its seventy four year old roots of showing horses in their best light, not in some aberration of their strengths. It is our belief that active veterinary involvement is paramount in bringing about positive change in the care of all breeds of horses for all uses[/QUOTE]
Blowin smoke!
i would like to hope its not a case of cover our butts. there are key words that make you think it may be a save face news release. words like Efforts, painful means. one part of the statement seems to be a good thing restoration of the TWH to its original ONCE PROUD plantation heritage.
that heritage did not use STACKS PADS CHAINS SCREWS PUTTY GOLF BALLS MARBLES BOLTS period.
the words return to the original plantation heritage,may have some very concerned, i do believe that the gaits of Strolling Jim could be seen again.
Strolling Jim :by Wilson Allen was 1939 WGC,thats the Heritage that is talked about,thats what the TWH needs to become again.
If the presence of R and R Dr. was a testament to their support of Tennessee Walker without “aberration” of the natural gaits, then the Dr. did them no favor by stating that all was well at the event and no problems noted. The statement by R and R was very careful not to mention pads/stacks creating “aberration”, so their carefully worded statement really says nothing at all except to give a nod to business as usual.
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