I hope this wakes up people who before now believed they were not factored in the equation of being prosecuted for soring of horses ~~~ The Owners! ~~~
First by removing the horses from their ownership ~~~~ it’s a new day for all concerned win owning, training and showing sore horses
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/sep/23/horse-owners-could-be-next-in-soring/?local
Great news. Owners SHOULD be prosecuted.
I do not think those outside of gaited horse world will ever fully appreciate how great the words “owners will be prosecuted” are until they have seen first hand the abuse and the results of the abuse of gaited horses.
I would like for those who state the stack of pads should be allowed to start “spelling” out their personal reasons and or research that they are aware of that support a stack of pads as purposeful to them. Like put it here in more detail so we can understand what benefit it has. ANd tell us more about why when the horse is stacked they also require a bouncing chain and continuous wrapping of their legs in the stall. I personally would like to hear more detail of why you support the horse world keeping this particular fashion.
Same question for those that want the “heavy” shoe - what advantage do you get from the shoe??? Timing? Length of stride? Degree of action??
And the shanks longer than 6 inches - or the wire bits - can you take the time to put it in pixels the purpose, the benefit and the reason why it is done?
It would really expand the conversation.
I just want to quote this from the linked article as food for thought and a way to direct some more discussion:
[INDENT]
Pads are another simple modification Farley uses in dressage shoeing. “A pad is just something to replace sole that you shouldn’t have taken out to begin with,” he says. “There are horses who have weak soles and need pads, but if you give me enough time and I can hot fit these horses and trim them and balance them right, I can get them out of the pad.”[/INDENT]
[QUOTE=The Preacher;6573911]
I hope this wakes up people who before now believed they were not factored in the equation of being prosecuted for soring of horses ~~~ The Owners! ~~~
First by removing the horses from their ownership ~~~~ it’s a new day for all concerned win owning, training and showing sore horses
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/sep/23/horse-owners-could-be-next-in-soring/?local[/QUOTE]
Made my day! YES!!!:yes::yes::yes:
[QUOTE=Fairfax;6572622]
Its no longer grapevine…they have it laid out…it will probably not cure the peanut pushers.
What is going to make a change iw when ALL BREED horse shows come back into style.
When the heads were too low…professionals in other breeds would laugh at the QH trainers…Arabs were too high…same thing…Saddlebreds not properly trained…etc
The problem is…we no longer have many true horsemen/women[/QUOTE]
I wanna know who ate Fairfax? Where is he? Where did CoTH put him???
Just kidding Fairfax - but I totally like the direction of your thought when you put the last line in. And I think that is gonna be one of the greatest benefits of this debated legislation. I deeply believe we (the owners and enthusiasts) are about to find us some true horseman in every breed venue. And we are gonna do it because we are asking the question and having the conversation and most importantly by examining the status quo.
[QUOTE=hurleycane;6574075]
I wanna know who ate Fairfax? Where is he? Where did CoTH put him??? [/QUOTE]
LOL Shhhhhhhhhhhhh hurleycane be vewy vewy quiet.
so does this mean the Shelbyville Slime needs to check there bail bonds man. the LAW is Coming.and not the one that David Howard owns. a real Law Man take a Deep breath Dr Mullins and Dr Meadows. that Fat Lady may just be getting ready to Sing.
a new day twhbea will need to change sshbea will need to change,every gaited organization that condones stacks and pads will need to change.
fairfax is very busy bein fitted for his new tin foil hat.he may be back at some point,but enjoy our time of peace and rest.
work very hard at writing letters e-mails to help stop soring in our life time.
thank you
Owner responsibility ! What a concept. Finally following the money.
That shoeing article was top notch. You notice he stressed doing as little change as possible and to treat each foot separately. That is the quality of farriery i witnessed at the harness tracks. I remember once at the track some Johnny Come Lately claimed a horse and looked in dismay at the uneven way it was shod and thought he could improve that shoeing job. So the shoes were pulled, and he instructed a farrier on how to shoe the horse. The horse fell apart and no longer moved well. The original farrier had it right. He had shod each hoof as it needed to be shod. It took the new farrier a while to get the horse balanced up properly and moving well again. It is an art ! Measured in degrees and ounces.
[QUOTE=WalkInTheWoods;6574116]
Owner responsibility ! What a concept. Finally following the money.
That shoeing article was top notch. You notice he stressed doing as little change as possible and to treat each foot separately. That is the quality of farriery i witnessed at the harness tracks. I remember once at the track some Johnny Come Lately claimed a horse and looked in dismay at the uneven way it was shod and thought he could improve that shoeing job. So the shoes were pulled, and he instructed a farrier on how to shoe the horse. The horse fell apart and no longer moved well. The original farrier had it right. He had shod each hoof as it needed to be shod. It took the new farrier a while to get the horse balanced up properly and moving well again. It is an art ! Measured in degrees and ounces.[/QUOTE]
I have got to ditto you WiTW!!! I was just going to comment what a G.R.E.A.T. article Renae put up… “ounces and quarter inches, easing break over…” not stacks and pounds and chains and soring.
What we may find is the new day was here all along - some folks just fell down into a well. Here comes the ladder and a hand. Glory be - write those letters.
Ok, I don’t understand soring. First they put the chemicals on and wrap the legs. Then removed the wraps, apply chains, and “train” the horse.
Then they take the horse to a show where they cover up the raw spots and apply lanacaine so the horse doens’t feel pain. If the horse doesn’t feel the pain in the show ring, how has the soring helped? How is the horse doing his “big Lick” if he doesn’t feel the pain?
It just doesn’ t make sense to “train” them when they are sore and show them when they are not. What part am I missing??
@ dispatcer:
Missing part(s): If you carry a whip, need you whip the horse to have him flinch when you raise it? Answer: No. If the horse has felt the sting of a whip - all he needs do is see the whip in your hand.
See the connection to the chain now??
ETA: And often they are worked in HEAVY chains at home which are indeed painful to the coronet. The horse then “anticipates” the pain from the lighter legal “show” chain.
The wrapping is not always done to “cook” the juice. Sometimes the TWH stacked folks say it is done to 1) prevent the swelling and stocking up from standing on stacks in a stall, 2) (this is the whine of fooled owners) keep the horse from scarring its own pasterns and getting a scar violation.
[QUOTE=Renae;6572901]
outofthebox, the problem is there are other Walking Horse divisions where soring occurs too, and they are shod without pads, as well as Spotted Saddle Horses which also shod without pads. And I have personally seen dressage horses wearing shoes as heavy as what some lite shod Walking Horses wear. So where do you draw the line in the sand? In my experience the dimension of shoe allowed on a lite shod Walker is not enough to cause lameness or soreness in them of themselves, but it is enough weight to alter gait. Is altering gait a bad thing? In my opinion, no. If you think shoes that alter gait should not be used you should also be for banning sliding plates on reiners, aluminum shoes on race horses, and caulks on jumpers and eventers. These types of shoes all allow these horses to use their legs in a way they would not otherwise be able to do.[/QUOTE]
Great post from someone who knows and understand the issues. Thank you!
[QUOTE=Rbow;6573081]
Come on. You have a 22 year old horse on stacks. It’s like having your grandmother in high heels.
You support it.
Give the horse a break.[/QUOTE]
The horse has a great life. Believe it or not, one of the problems we have is when we do retire him (or give him a break, as you so nicely out it), is when he can’t get on that trailer and go show, that is going to be an unhappy retired horse and never adjust to"his wonderful retired life." It is often a huge problem with some of the retired BL’s, but since you don’t know anyting about that issue, you wouldn’t understand.
[QUOTE=Renae;6573453]
Plantation shoes and lite shod shoes are very different things. As far as shoeing dressage horses http://www.americanfarriers.com/pages/Shoeing-Tips-Remember-These-Pointers-When-Under-Dressage-Horses.php
“Big lick” horses are not the only Walking Horses subjected to soring! Why can’t some of you understand that! Banning the pads will not end it. It is approaching the level of lunacy that goes with the line of thought that banning Pit Bulls will stop dog fighting. I am surprised no one has called for a ban on Walking Horses![/QUOTE]
WELL SAID!
Bullshit, Cordial, just plain Bullshit.
got it. See, I thought they were feeling the pain of the chemicals while they were in the show ring “performing”.
[QUOTE=BabyGreen;6574386]
Bullshit, Cordial, just plain Bullshit.[/QUOTE]
?they sore lite sbod horses too.
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