Yes - Very good news WITW!
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HR 6388 now has 43 co-sponsors ! WooHoo 
That is pretty encouraging. Hopefully the good folks who recognize abuse when they see it will outnumber the DesJarlaises in this country.[/QUOTE]
I’m loving it!!!
cordial what walking horse club ?
I live.
below the Mason Dixon line. TWH not at this time,i have owned Paso Fino, i now have SSH and Racking. have shown, do trail and endurance. i rode and showed TWH with the likes off Triple Threat, also Ace’s Sensation,and now i know better.
i have been riding and driving horses for the better part of 60 yrs. In my time i have driven 4-in-hand,Tandem,unicorn and 4 abreast.show jumped,dressage,also worked on a Ranch herding cattle.have ridden Mounted Patrol.
Im an instructor with the Professional Association of Therapeutic Horesmanship International.
Did i miss anything.
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cordial what walking horse club ?
I live.
below the Mason Dixon line. TWH not at this time,i have owned Paso Fino, i now have SSH and Racking. have shown, do trail and endurance. i rode and showed TWH with the likes off Triple Threat, also Ace’s Sensation,and now i know better.
i have been riding and driving horses for the better part of 60 yrs. In my time i have driven 4-in-hand,Tandem,unicorn and 4 abreast.show jumped,dressage,also worked on a Ranch herding cattle.have ridden Mounted Patrol.
Im an instructor with the Professional Association of Therapeutic Horesmanship International.
Did i miss anything.[/QUOTE]
How would I know if you missed anything! lol
[QUOTE=WalkInTheWoods;6617989]
HR 6388 now has 43 co-sponsors ! WooHoo That is pretty encouraging. Hopefully the good folks who recognize abuse when they see it will outnumber the DesJarlaises in this country.[/QUOTE]
Keep up the GOOD WORK,we can do this
call, write, e-mail, send pictures it will make a difference.
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http://fuglyblog.com/2012/10/22/guest-post-fighting-for-the-tennesee-walker/[/QUOTE]
That is the most non-coherant and completely ignorant article I can recall reading. It is, frankly, offensive and does absolutely nothing to support the fight against Big Lick.
I have a rescued former Big Lick horse that I keep at home on the Mississippi Gulf Coast. I also believe in God, Gun Rights, and My Country. Many people might see my little farm and look down their nose at it – especially as we are still recovering from Isaac damage. And while my mare has registration papers, and, in fact was the Reserve Champion at the KY Celebration in the BIG LICK FREAK SHOW; I refuse to register her, because I will not send a dime to the TWHBEA. I would register her w/ the TWHBEA IF I had time / inclination to show her in non-Big Lick classes as well as the time to fight for change within the TWHBEA as the Preacher does.
It is completely irresponsible to state that poor backyard owners of non-registered gaited TRAIL horses are the people responsible for the continuation of the Big Lick.
Anyway, my little farm is redneck-y to be sure; but I would probably physically come to blows w/ the a$$hat that wrote that article if I caught them taking pictures of my place / horses and lumping ME in with the Big Lickers. That was truly one of the most ignorant things that I have ever read on Fugly.
Now, a valid link, that the Preacher can speak to, is the link to racism. And, the Preacher could write an article that coherently articulates the facts on this issue – not some nonsense blaming poor people with horses for the Big Lick.
As far as poor people & horses - Our local horse rescues in MS have had great success in reaching out to those who perhaps have not benefitted from the educational and financial opportunities that the snarkies have (though education is doubtful based on that article) - the rescues reach out in a kind and respectful way to offer gelding and vaccination clinics in poor areas as well as volunteering to help put up safer fencing.
That article was on par with those claiming all of our societal ills are the fault of poor people and minorities – and could probably form a solid basis for a libel suit.
:mad:
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non coherant maybe, but some truth is bein said,the David Howard’s of the TWH industry are out there trying very hard to recruit some of the smaller ie backyard breeders to join their (big Lick) battle to keep the chains and pads to give the likes of Jackie McConnell a way to abuse the TWH. also like Chad Way ( what happened to Ironworks Tin Man) Barney Davis.jeff Dockery.
its only by stopping the stacks and pads can abuse of the TWH really end.
if not why would the AVMA, AAEP step -up and call for the end of this practice (stacks and pads ie packages) in the TWH Industry.
thats the real question. why are Doctors calling for the END of the Big Lick.
IT HARMS THE HORSE MENTALLY, PHYSICALLY and SPIRITUALLY (JMO)
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post 2927
non coherant maybe, but some truth is bein said,the David Howard’s of the TWH industry are out there trying very hard to recruit some of the smaller ie backyard breeders to join their (big Lick) battle to keep the chains and pads to give the likes of Jackie McConnell a way to abuse the TWH. also like Chad Way ( what happened to Ironworks Tin Man) Barney Davis.jeff Dockery.
its only by stopping the stacks and pads can abuse of the TWH really end.
if not why would the AVMA, AAEP step -up and call for the end of this practice (stacks and pads ie packages) in the TWH Industry.
thats the real question. why are Doctors calling for the END of the Big Lick.
IT HARMS THE HORSE MENTALLY, PHYSICALLY and SPIRITUALLY (JMO)[/QUOTE]
Can you please comment on there and share your coherent thoughts and actual knowledge?
I don’t know about the recruiting of smaller breeders; but I have definitely seen plenty of Youtube videos of smaller outfits showing horses w/ pads and chains; so why show random photos and throw around terms like “rednecks” - “Gods, Gun, & Country”. I don’t know why the author didn’t just call them white trash or even trailer trash; because that was the message. I just thought that article was a complete distraction that did a lot more to label and offend people than it did to argue the case against the Big Lick; which is a strong and indisputable case based on facts – zero need to pretend to psychoanalyze the motivations of “rednecks”. I feel like the people at TWHBEA promoting Big Lick will be printing out copies and passing them around as proof of how nutty the opposition is.
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Can you please comment on there and share your coherent thoughts and actual knowledge?
I don’t know about the recruiting of smaller breeders; but I have definitely seen plenty of Youtube videos of smaller outfits showing horses w/ pads and chains; so why show random photos and throw around terms like “rednecks” - “Gods, Gun, & Country”. I don’t know why the author didn’t just call them white trash or even trailer trash; because that was the message. I just thought that article was a complete distraction that did a lot more to label and offend people than it did to argue the case against the Big Lick; which is a strong and indisputable case based on facts – zero need to pretend to psychoanalyze the motivations of “rednecks”. I feel like the people at TWHBEA promoting Big Lick will be printing out copies and passing them around as proof of how nutty the opposition is.[/QUOTE]
Amen!!!
I posted that Fugly link as an FYI only as to what’s being said.
you need to ask Fugly why they did that.
knowledge,well do you ride TWH do you breed TWH,do you show TWH,have you ever,do you go to TWH shows.have you seen a horse being sored have you heard a horse cry in pain,when you can answer these questions than we will talk KNOWLEDGE.
I think the confusion on all counts are about the Racking horses. Now I can be pretty redneck by some folks standards but check out those speed racking horses (not all mind you)AND their owners (again not all) on Youtube. All I can think about when I see them racking those horses going full bore on pavement (remember a rack is a SINGLE foot) is reaching through the screen to grab them by the throat. Talk about road founder. Ooops… just another method of soring…
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you need to ask Fugly why they did that.
knowledge,well do you ride TWH do you breed TWH,do you show TWH,have you ever,do you go to TWH shows.have you seen a horse being sored have you heard a horse cry in pain,when you can answer these questions than we will talk KNOWLEDGE.[/QUOTE]
I think you misunderstood my intention. I was not disparaging you in any way and was not being sarcastic. I was seriously asking (begging) you to write a comment on there, because obviously you DO have knowledge and factual experience to share – unlike the baseless assertions that were posted.
That Fugly article is a mess created by lifting photos from somebody’s Facebook page and making accusations and allegations about the subject of the photos. In reading the article and the comments, it is clear that a lot of people were never taught the difference between FACT and OPINION in addition to missing out on basic LOGIC. The guy in the photos may be the scum of the earth; but the author provided no support for the assertions.
I have a fundamental problem with poaching unsourced photos (vs. screenshots, which might give some context) and then stating the following:
“…These photos represent people who support the TWH ‘Industry’ and believe that the Big Lick represents its pinnacle. Perhaps they use their horses to identify themselves with wealth and political power, justifying the travesties pictured here as ‘the way it’s always been done around here’. By rooting for the Big Ducks on the TWHBEA puddle, they feel they are part of a powerful Tradition and that they are sidling up alongside old families and thus share in the clout of the TWH “Industry” and local politics.”
"As long as backyard <cough> “horsemen” who own Tennessee Walkers are coddled by the Industry to support the small but cloutish ‘Padded Performance’ segment, change will be difficult to achieve. "
And now I guess Fugly got smart and blurred the face; but it’s one thing to blur a face on photos one personally takes in a publlic place and another thing to poach somebody else’s photo and alter it. The individual is still easily identified matching the poached photo to the original or using other identifying features in the photos.
Anyway, I think this completely distracts from the very valid and scientifically supported arguments against the Big Lick.
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I posted that Fugly link as an FYI only as to what’s being said.[/QUOTE]
I didn’t think you wrote it, and I am sorry if I came across as attacking you. That wasn’t my intent at all. I am actually glad you shared that link – even though it totally depressed me;)
There are a lot of leaders in the horse world who are willing to take a public stand against the Big Lick based on the factual merits of the argument against it.
However, there is another argument expressed here -
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=372226&highlight=carriage
Articles like this and the comments that oppose all showing, and lots of other very broad brushed assertions do nothing to help educate the public about the facts of the argument against the Big Lick.
Sometimes one comes across as RUDE or attacking when they are so passionate about a subject. i believe most posting on this THREAD are just that.passionate caring people,they have seen enough read enough heard enough to become angry that nothing has been done in 30+ yrs,but now NOW there is hope a light has shone on this horrible practice in the world of the TWH.
are there other horrible practices in the Equine Industry,yes but here on this thread its the walking horse and how the practice of SORING can be stopped.
some get caught -up in the whorl of conversations and opinions.and thats just bein Human.this internet thing is great but it sure can cause a world of hurt.
in one post was stated GOD GUNS and Country,well Im in that category.im just an ole white haired lady living on her farm enjoy these waning yrs.but damn it i care about those horses i heard cry in pain yrs ago and if writing an e-mail or making a call or even keeping this subject in the front of everyones mind is all i can do than thats what i’m going to do.
i know how it works here,if ya can’t buy a politician than ya look for someone that just needs some money.
thats what the shellbyville Slime has done,they are finding that their purple group are just about the money.and so is their politician.
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Sometimes one comes across as RUDE or attacking when they are so passionate about a subject. i believe most posting on this THREAD are just that.passionate caring people,they have seen enough read enough heard enough to become angry that nothing has been done in 30+ yrs,but now NOW there is hope a light has shone on this horrible practice in the world of the TWH.
are there other horrible practices in the Equine Industry,yes but here on this thread its the walking horse and how the practice of SORING can be stopped.
some get caught -up in the whorl of conversations and opinions.and thats just bein Human.this internet thing is great but it sure can cause a world of hurt.
in one post was stated GOD GUNS and Country,well Im in that category.im just an ole white haired lady living on her farm enjoy these waning yrs.but damn it i care about those horses i heard cry in pain yrs ago and if writing an e-mail or making a call or even keeping this subject in the front of everyones mind is all i can do than thats what i’m going to do.
i know how it works here,if ya can’t buy a politician than ya look for someone that just needs some money.
thats what the shellbyville Slime has done,they are finding that their purple group are just about the money.and so is their politician.[/QUOTE]
Agreed.
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Sometimes one comes across as RUDE or attacking when they are so passionate about a subject. i believe most posting on this THREAD are just that.passionate caring people,they have seen enough read enough heard enough to become angry that nothing has been done in 30+ yrs,but now NOW there is hope a light has shone on this horrible practice in the world of the TWH.
are there other horrible practices in the Equine Industry,yes but here on this thread its the walking horse and how the practice of SORING can be stopped.
some get caught -up in the whorl of conversations and opinions.and thats just bein Human.this internet thing is great but it sure can cause a world of hurt.
in one post was stated GOD GUNS and Country,well Im in that category.im just an ole white haired lady living on her farm enjoy these waning yrs.but damn it i care about those horses i heard cry in pain yrs ago and if writing an e-mail or making a call or even keeping this subject in the front of everyones mind is all i can do than thats what i’m going to do.
i know how it works here,if ya can’t buy a politician than ya look for someone that just needs some money.
thats what the shellbyville Slime has done,they are finding that their purple group are just about the money.and so is their politician.[/QUOTE]
You touched on my #1 issue (though I have a few) re: the Fugly mess of an article which is that I am sure the Big Money behind the Big Lick would love to divert the attention that is directly on them over to the backyard yahoos.
My belief is that in order to abolish Big Lick, you just need to “Follow the Money” and start focus the attention on those making the money (top trainers and TWHBEA people who are supporting it and politicians involved in perpetuating it) and focus on any company sponsoring anything to do with TWHBEA. When the corporate / business sponsors start saying, “Gee, we would love to be a sponsor; but there is no way we can risk it as long as TWHBEA continues to promote the Big Lick”.
What that article managed to do is completely insure that it will be 100x more difficult to have a constructive discussion with that guy and his friends about how to improve his horsemanship. If he didn’t support the Big Lick before, I am guessing he backs their right to do whatever they want – now that he has been dragged into that Fugly mess.
Anyway, “Follow the Money!”
We’ve been following the money. The real money is wrapped up with politicians and the very wealthy. They don’t really need “sponsors”. This isn’t some BYB debacle, this is wealth driven. The Racking horse OTOH…not so much.
I’m surprised no one commented on my post about the Racking horses. They are BYB especially compared to the BL.
The FUGLY post was not entirely wrong.
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We’ve been following the money. The real money is wrapped up with politicians and the very wealthy. They don’t really need “sponsors”. This isn’t some BYB debacle, this is wealth driven. The Racking horse OTOH…not so much.
I’m surprised no one commented on my post about the Racking horses. They are BYB especially compared to the BL.
The FUGLY post was not entirely wrong.[/QUOTE]
I don’t have any personal experience w/ racking horses, but I have seen those single foot videos and I think maybe some with pads. I was very confused by the pictures they posted because I HAVE seen attrocious padding “performance packages” on YouTube.
As far as the politicians and the very wealthy. Many of the very wealthy make their money through business interests – when nobody wants to do business with them because of the taint of the Big Lick; they’ll reevaluate. Wealthy people are wealthy because they know how to manage wealth – and a part of that is cutting your losses. And politicians rely on donations - if donors won’t contribute to them because of their association w/ and support of Big Lick; they’ll drop it. Even Shelbyville – as Big Lick drives the attendance numbers down, down, down; at some point people are going to prefer to make a living rather than starve to death standing up for the Big Lick.
