bkkone - check your messages please 
Is it just me, or is the TWHBEA saying, “If we don’t perpetuate our ‘tradition’ of horse abuse, our organization and breed won’t survive.”? Do they really think that’s a valid argument? It’s tantamount to the KKK saying, “If we outlaw lynching, our organization won’t survive.” :o If the TWHBEA is nothing more than a horse abuse special interest group, what’s there that’s worth saving? 
I signed and shared on my facebook page. We need to get this petition out there, and The Preacher is right. We all need to get this petition do our part. Heck, I’ve never even seen a Walker, but I can tell abuse, in any breed.
Copy and paste, by the way, is the way to go, even if there is a facebook icon right on the petition. That button asks you to share information, and I’m pretty sure it will automatically switch you to the Timeline format, if you’re lucky enough to be one of those who still has the old format, like me (shhhhhh, don’t tell facebook.)
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Is it just me, or is the TWHBEA saying, “If we don’t perpetuate our ‘tradition’ of horse abuse, our organization and breed won’t survive.”? Do they really think that’s a valid argument? It’s tantamount to the KKK saying, “If we outlaw lynching, our organization won’t survive.” :o If the TWHBEA is nothing more than a horse abuse special interest group, what’s there that’s worth saving? [/QUOTE]
Good point ! All they need to do is throw out the bath water but keep the baby. Makes you think the bath water IS their baby !
I signed and shared. My FB is also “littered” with calls to end this cruelty. I truly hope this is the beginning of the end of this ‘practice.’
[QUOTE=hurleycane;6325054]
The Preacher gets it!!! The HPA laws are too weak and as they stand they legalize the stacked weighted chained methods and all the crap it produces.
Gotta change the laws that now permit it.[/QUOTE]
Morgans, Arabians and Saddlebreds, Shetlands, Hackney, all use pads OR at least can use pads. . I use chains and wooden rollers for training.
The problem with over reaction bills is they tend to penalize a responsible trainer/owner
The road to Heck is paved with good intentions.
How are you going to differentiate between “action devices” used for other breeds and those (that are very different) used for the TWHBL?
Signed.
[QUOTE=RougeEmpire;6325091]
Complete BS! Big Lick breeders, trainers and owners make a up a TINY sliver of the TWH population! Furthermore in the year 2012 are a way of life for everyone.[/QUOTE]
Just a question as there are conflicting points here.
If it is just a very tiny sliver of the breed then it would appear it could be handled in a very different manner than if it is a “majority” of the people at the shows.
One person stated between 400-500 trailers/trainers/horses left when inspectors arrived. That would appear to be a huge number “at a small rural show”.
[QUOTE=Mara;6325074]
Just wow. Check out this guy, Papa’s Royal Delight. I am not terribly familiar with TWH names, but apparently he’s quite the superstar of the TWH sound show circuit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpgX9CKqqhQ&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jD-7qRHSCw&feature=relmfu
This, I am thinking, is what the TWH was intended to be. Here is a relaxed, happy, BAREFOOT horse demonstrating some beautiful natural gaits.
What is so wrong with these lovely gaits that some s#itheels feel they must torment and abuse the horses to get some ridiculously exaggerated movement?[/QUOTE]
Agreed, and I will just never understand it. Thanx for the links.
[QUOTE=The Preacher;6325152]
Get out there COTH’ers and lead the way…and the best part…you don’t even have a horse in the fight!
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That is the amazing thing about COTH - and I hope it signals the wave of the future with horsepeople everywhere
From 1/1/2010 to 5/15/2012 there were 1,357 violations. 
201 from NC alone.
Working on the other states as they are listed.
Breaks down to 1.5 ish violations PER DAY.
Will post the full break down when I’m down with it.
on the local news…from Shelbyville itself and the locals there
http://www.wbir.com/rss/article/220323/2/Tennessee-Walking-Horse-video-stuns-Shelbyville
the one week show brings $41 million dollars to the area.
Tamara
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Morgans, Arabians and Saddlebreds, Shetlands, Hackney, all use pads OR at least can use pads. . I use chains and wooden rollers for training.
The problem with over reaction bills is they tend to penalize a responsible trainer/owner
The road to Heck is paved with good intentions.
How are you going to differentiate between “action devices” used for other breeds and those (that are very different) used for the TWHBL?[/QUOTE]
GOOD question regarding “action devices”. ANSWER: I would NOT differentiate. I would want to see every action device used by any breed to go by the wayside. And BTW the 'action devices" used on other breeds are not DIFFERENT from the chains and rollers- wooden and metal used on TWHs. IF you think that, you are kidding yourself.
That includes ALL chains, rollers, rolled leather collars with led weights in them, weighted bell boots, hinged bell boots, shackles with surgical tubing and anything else anyone can think of to put around a horse’s pastern for “training purposes.”
As far as pads, I would like to see all of these go too-- they just encourage people to try to use foreign objects hidden under them. I would like to see all horses have to show with only a regular store-bought keg shoe of the proper size. And that goes for getting rid of the Scotch bottoms on drafts, too.
[QUOTE=ThisTooShallPass;6323599]
Uhm, sounds like you are defending the bill?
This type of abuse needs outed, even if one has to go get a job there just to out it! :yes:[/QUOTE]
I was merely pointing out what the bill says and doesn’t say.
[QUOTE=bayou_bengal;6325326]
GOOD question regarding “action devices”. ANSWER: I would NOT differentiate. I would want to see every action device used by any breed to go by the wayside. And BTW the 'action devices" used on other breeds are not DIFFERENT from the chains and rollers- wooden and metal used on TWHs. IF you think that, you are kidding yourself.
That includes ALL chains, rollers, rolled leather collars with led weights in them, weighted bell boots, hinged bell boots, shackles with surgical tubing and anything else anyone can think of to put around a horse’s pastern for “training purposes.”
As far as pads, I would like to see all of these go too-- they just encourage people to try to use foreign objects hidden under them. I would like to see all horses have to show with only a regular store-bought keg shoe of the proper size. And that goes for getting rid of the Scotch bottoms on drafts, too.[/QUOTE]
Wouldn’t that be a novel concept? To actually judge the talent of the horse in front of you versus the talent of a trainer, farrier, vet and their various concoctions inflicted, nailed, injected into/onto the horse.
[QUOTE=bayou_bengal;6325326]
GOOD question regarding “action devices”. ANSWER: I would NOT differentiate. I would want to see every action device used by any breed to go by the wayside. And BTW the 'action devices" used on other breeds are not DIFFERENT from the chains and rollers- wooden and metal used on TWHs. IF you think that, you are kidding yourself.
That includes ALL chains, rollers, rolled leather collars with led weights in them, weighted bell boots, hinged bell boots, shackles with surgical tubing and anything else anyone can think of to put around a horse’s pastern for “training purposes.”
As far as pads, I would like to see all of these go too-- they just encourage people to try to use foreign objects hidden under them. I would like to see all horses have to show with only a regular store-bought keg shoe of the proper size. And that goes for getting rid of the Scotch bottoms on drafts, too.[/QUOTE]
I see you support carriage horses. Do you know there are groups actively trying to remove the use of all bits, any “equipment” leading to constraint. Any Riding activity?
Pads can extend the life of a show horse (pleasure divisions) and also trail horses. Navicular disease is helped with pads.
I use chains and wood rollers to teach the younger stock to lift and exercise their muscles. It is a helpful tool
and it does not create any weight problems on their backs at a early age.
Your vision, while great for you, is not for me. I abhor cruelty and abuse and can differentiate between the big lick (we imported one in the early 60’s and he had to be put down due to hoof rot caused by chemicals)
If I was to support you and your views that would also mean supporting HSUS and its affiliates who want to remove horses (all, any breed…as Wayne Pacelle states: They are ALL MAN MADE so extinction is to be encouraged) from any use.
While you may enjoy a peaceful ride across the countryside that is often not available to others. Many of use enjoy shows and showing. AND we do not use cruel nor abusive training but we do utilize training equipment.
Sorry…I can not support your attempt to bring down the shows to support your cause to remove cruelty with ONE BREED and ONE DISCIPLINE…Big Lick.
Before many Cother’s jump on the wagon…just think…first it may be chains…then bits…then any type of shoeing…then (one lady is trying to eliminate ALL saddles as they are restrictive and cruel) horse racing, evening, driving, riding…
as I stated…the road to heck is smeared with good intentions.
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Ah the slippery slope fallacy rears it’s head. Can we do Godwin’s Law too? 
Answer me this, what does enjoying a show (as an exhibitor/owner) have to do with appliances that are used for training? So if the chains etc. are removed from training you can’t have fun with horses anymore? To me that is illogical.
