The hair club for horses ?
[QUOTE=katarine;6329257]
selling TUBS of salicylic acid at a tack shop is not some good ol’ boys Proactiv, you do know that, Gnalli, right? Just checking…[/QUOTE]
Major acne. Have to treat it at the feed store.:lol:
this is beyond horrible - pressure has to be exerted on the national federations, breed organizations and JUDGES to stop rewarding what they call the “big Lick”. This practice has been illegal for a long time but as long as the results are rewarded in the competition some people will keep doing it.
“we” have to put pressure on the National Federations to instruct the Judges to STOP rewarding the extreme perverted movement!
Just so you’ll know, not all hair comes from dead horses. There is quite a market amongst private tail makers for extremely long tails, the longer the tail, the higher the price. Also, flaxen/white tails bring a huge price. As someone who has personally sold $10,000 worth of tail hair from my very much ALIVE horses in the past 25 years, I’m in a position to know this. Various reasons have caused this, horse injury extended lay-ups, show horse retirements and twice, my own extended injury layups where I knew I wouldn’t be showing. Plus I owned pintos and palominos with extremely long tails so was able to make a bundle off of them. They grew back eventually and were cut correctly from the beginning so as to leave tail feathers to swat with. We Saddlebred folks grow long tail hair that you don’t find on your average slaughtered horse.
[QUOTE=nashfad;6329523]
The Celebration has been a big deal financially for the local folks. Some locals actually have long standing contracts with some of the exhibitors to rent out their entire homes during the celebration. They move in with relatives or go on vacation. The locals also park cars in their yards to make a few extra dollars. And the food sales, etc. And many organizations, Boy Scouts, Kawaians Club, Rotary Club, the high school band, etc., run food stands at the show for the 10 days/nights as their main fundraisers for the year. The entire county has fed off the Celebration for yrs. and depended on it financially. Don’t know what’s going to happen now. I feel bad for them. It’s not like Bedford Co is one of the top financially stable counties in the state. I’m just saying.
For the record: I do not support the soring or abuse of any horse/animal.[/QUOTE]
You can look at it another way: businesses and charitable organizations have chosen to make their profits on the back of a cruel practice, a practice that is well-known through the years of scandals, news coverage, indictments, and prosecutions, not to mention common knowledge.
Instead of refusing to condone big lick practices and speaking out, they have profited for years. And they brought their kids in to teach them the same.
[QUOTE=War Admiral;6329114]
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet: “This Jerk Needs Stewarding”[/QUOTE]
He is NOT the only one, unfortunately. Let’s hope they ALL get the stewarding they need
[QUOTE=bayou_bengal;6329493]
I’m on record as wanting all the artificiality removed from the TWH show rings and grounds-- that includes those stupid fake looking tail caps, switches and braces as well as the stacks of pads, heavy shoes hoofbands AND ALL action devices.
If the other breeds’ owners’ want to festoon their horses with hair from other DEAD horses- fine- then they can look as foolish and fake as the Big Lick TWHs do now.
You do know that the “hair goods” sold at these shops have taken from horses that have been sent to slaughter- don’t you? Sometimes, the dealers go ahead and cut the hair from their slaughter-bound horses and sell it themselves-- sometimes it is “harvested” at the slaughterhouses along with their hides-- and, of course, their meat. Just another FYI.[/QUOTE]
Hair extensions are also harvested from horses euthanized, horses no longer in the show ring however very much alive and who cares, once a horse is dead, what happens…whether it is consumed by coyotes or Frenchmen
As for “autheniticity”…that is a PERSONAL bias and has no reason to be indoctrinated into a law
I am sure, with your superior knowledge and standards, you will have physical and beauty requirements for riders, grooms and owners. Do you have a preference on finger nail polish that will be “allowed” ? Or is that too garish for your sensibilities.
Comments as you have posted erode your credibility.
It is about cruelty and soring inspections
not fashion police
[QUOTE=bludejavu;6329536]
Just so you’ll know, not all hair comes from dead horses. There is quite a market amongst private tail makers for extremely long tails, the longer the tail, the higher the price. Also, flaxen/white tails bring a huge price. As someone who has personally sold $10,000 worth of tail hair from my very much ALIVE horses in the past 25 years, I’m in a position to know this. Various reasons have caused this, horse injury extended lay-ups, show horse retirements and twice, my own extended injury layups where I knew I wouldn’t be showing. Plus I owned pintos and palominos with extremely long tails so was able to make a bundle off of them. They grew back eventually and were cut correctly from the beginning so as to leave tail feathers to swat with. We Saddlebred folks grow long tail hair that you don’t find on your average slaughtered horse.[/QUOTE]
You know, I had heard that some people make money selling their horses’ tail hair, but never “met” one until you posted. Thanks for telling your story.
Through the years, there have been reports on the Internet about rashes of tail cuttings in various places, and law enforcement always speculated that “horse hair theives” were to blame.
Several years ago-- there was a story about an older champion Saddlebred or Morgan that had been bought out of the kill pen at New Holland-- because he was being sent there pretty much without hope of going for anything except kill-- his beautiful long tail had been cut prior to the auction.
Someone sent the rescue group that saved him a photo of him-- an old show photo that showed his long magnificant flowing tail back in the day. The group posted a photo of him in the kill pen and that photo by way of contrast-- it made an impression on me. I was glad he didn’t go to kill, he was a beautiful horse. But then, I don’t really like to see any horse end up going for slaughter.
Back when we were showing, I did all kinds of things to try to keep my horses’ tails long and pretty during the show season including braiding them up and putting them in tail bags. I used that hair conditioner that is pink in the bottle and turns white when you mix it with water-- I love the smell of that stuff, but can never remember its name. It’s an old time product.
We had a beautiful liver chestnut mare with a flaxen mane and tail. Her tail was so long that it dragged the ground in the show ring. One year over the Thanksgiving holidays, our trainer went to visit family. Our horse was at his barn and coming home for the winter when he got back. Well, when he got back, her tail was GONE-- Cut straight across off about an inch longer than her tail bone.
He thought that the horse in the stall next to her had managed sonehow to get it and eat it-- that’s what he said. I tried to show her the next spring-- but she looked terrible with that banged tail-- and plantation horses didn’t wear switches- it was prohibited. It eventually grew back, but I never could get it as long as it had been. Sorry to have digressed from the topic of abusive trainers and soring.
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Hair extensions are also harvested from horses euthanized, horses no longer in the show ring however very much alive and who cares, once a horse is dead, what happens…whether it is consumed by coyotes or Frenchmen
As for “autheniticity”…that is a PERSONAL bias and has no reason to be indoctrinated into a law
I am sure, with your superior knowledge and standards, you will have physical and beauty requirements for riders, grooms and owners. Do you have a preference on finger nail polish that will be “allowed” ? Or is that too garish for your sensibilities.
Comments as you have posted erode your credibility.
It is about cruelty and soring inspections
not fashion police[/QUOTE]
Right back at ya!!! Except your posts haven’t given you any credibility to erode at all, IMO.
Follow the money and hit them in the wallet. That is where this will be stopped, at the financial level.
Sheilah
[QUOTE=bayou_bengal;6329593]
Right back at ya!!! Except your posts haven’t given you any credibility to erode at all, IMO.[/QUOTE]
Buck up! Having Leo “Hey! ALL Old Horses Look Like That” Maxwell tell you that you have no credibility is actually a mark of having…credibility.
But, again, it is important that the focus stay on what we can do as community to stop the abuse. Anything else is a red herring set out to engage Leo/Fairfax, so it can be all about him and how right he is.
Keep it about the horses.
Sheilah
[QUOTE=War Admiral;6328999]
Tennessee did just recently enact an animal cruelty law, but it was pretty toothless, and IF memory serves, I think it even contained a specific exception for “training practices”. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
What?!? :eek: 
Mornin;
Heading to Chattanooga in a few…Jackie McConnell and his two co-defendants appear in court this morning I do believe for sentencing
Will let ya know
[QUOTE=hurleycane;6329237]
Roy Exum for President!![/QUOTE]
Except he spells Jacky Robinson with a Y in the first paragraph? In the same sentence he uses the name of the accused, JackIE M and spells his name right? I agree with Exum 100% but as a journalist? JACKY Robinson? Hello?
[QUOTE=The Preacher;6329719]
Mornin;
Heading to Chattanooga in a few…Jackie McConnell and his two co-defendants appear in court this morning I do believe for sentencing
Will let ya know[/QUOTE]
Wish i was a fly on the wall. Hope Judge Carter does the right thing.
I just got my reply from Ford’s advertising dept. They thanked me for my interest and were sorry if the content of the TV show bothered me. This time in my response, I’m going to CC the CEO.
[QUOTE=fburton;6329718]
What?!? :eek: :([/QUOTE]
To the best of my knowledge War Admiral is incorrect.
It should also be noted that sentencing in Federal Court is done pursuant to very defined sentencing guidelines. Ditto for sentences in TN Criminal Courts. “Mob rule” demanding the head of the person convicted is no longer an authorized practice.
G.
I really do not think the court will do anything today to the satisfaction of any. The fact that charges were dropped so he could plea to one charge, well… it is par for the course.
But it is GREAT that The Preacher will be there to witness the event!
Why would that change? people are still going to attend the Celebration. Unless I have misunderstood and the Celebration involves ONLY Performance BL walkers. I was under the impression they had classes other than for Performance horses.
[QUOTE=Dispatcher;6329802]
Why would that change? people are still going to attend the Celebration. Unless I have misunderstood and the Celebration involves ONLY Performance BL walkers. I was under the impression they had classes other than for Performance horses.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much just stacks and chains and more stacks and more chains. They make up a million divisions for the same stuff so they can hand out more ribbons to keep the owners happy.
There are a few classes offered that are sans the chains and stacks.
Just a few compared to the stacks and chains.
