[QUOTE=War Admiral;6330501]
Defendants likely to get probation…
headdesk
headdesk
headdesk
McConnell was hale and hearty enough to beat the living sh*t out of a horse with a BASEBALL BAT - make him do his time!
I despair, I really do.[/QUOTE]
I am praying the US District Court judge refuses to accept the recommended sentence. That is our last hope that this “man” will be brought to some sort of justice for his crimes.
Well, from what I read the video was admitted into evidence, and I believe (correct me if I am wrong) that the plea deal pre-dated the admission of the video. So perhaps the judge will nail them after all. Will be keeping my fingers crossed. And toes.
Too bad someone can’t pursue a civil suit against these bums. IMO the actions in the video should be a felony with mandatory prison time and axx-bustin’ fines.
Instead they’ll all go back home, have a good laugh, and continue the nightmare (no pun intended).
the only hope for a civil suit is if an owner of one of the horses in the case file for damages to the animal and of course their reputation in the TWH world.all of those animals did not belong to McConnell,aleast i don’t beleive they did.
now the chance of that happening will be slim and none. you can bet the owners are covering their butts.
Jackie McConnell also faces local charges, in Fayette County, TN. His next court appearance will be in early June. Fayette County is the entity that actually took most of the horses away from him.
There have been a couple of high profile animal abuse cases investigated here in the last few year–the last one was prosecuting those women with a u-haul full of dogs on the way from California to Virginia.
They do what they can under the law.
Congressman Steve Cohen of Memphis has said he will try to increase the penalties for animal abuse in Washington.
People in this State at all ends of the political spectrum have been outraged by this story.
Gah! If they don’t hand this guy some jail time…well…I just can’t fathom it. The whole country is so socially ill I shouldn’t be surprised, yet I am once again. hugs horses, withdraws even further into horseworld hermit-ism
We can only hope the owners of the horses involved take them out of his barn!
Shelbyville has shunned him, anyway – doubt he will be able to live this down very soon.
His worst offense was apparently violating his parole, though –
McConnell’s charge is considered a felony because he conspired to submit fraudulent paperwork. Due to his age prosecutors have recommended probation and the guideline range for he, Abernathy and Mays is zero to six months.
Mays is in federal custody for not reporting to his probation officer, one of his bond conditions. Both he and Abernathy pleaded to the same charge, but a lessor included offense categorized as a federal misdemeanor. The pair admitted they knowingly transported and exhibited sored horses.
I don’t get the age thing, either – he’s only 60. Plenty of crimnals that age or older have gone to jail. They had no problem sending all the Illinois governors to jail, one of whom was a lot older than that.
[QUOTE=WalkInTheWoods;6330631]
Okay it addresses sored horses. What horses are sored in the ways spelled out other than gaited horses ?[/QUOTE]
back in 1972 ? it included the chains and crazy feet of all the saddleseat breeds
THEY got smart and cleaned up and the Walking horse people thought they were immune…
Tamara
[QUOTE=AlterNetReality;6330020]
Thank you.
Followon Question:
If you record a conversation on your phone without the other partie’s consent, and an illegal activity is discussed, and you report it to the police; is that evidence admissable in court? Or does it get thrown out as an illegal wiretap?[/QUOTE]
I know in the state of NC you can record a conversation as long as ONE party involved in the conversation knows about it. (Or it was that way the last time I looked it up…) And it is admissable.
>>withdraws even further into horseworld hermit-ism*<<
I’m with you Sunridge, especially after getting clocked over on the Pepsi thread about living in my “personal responsibility world” and being accused of “self-aggrandizement”–Yikes!
Good thing it’s 5 o’clock somewhere…ha ha!
My best wishes to all TWHs.
You wear it well, and take it public. Enjoy the titles, they are flattering in the right light, no?
[QUOTE=WalkInTheWoods;6330631]
Okay it addresses sored horses. What horses are sored in the ways spelled out other than gaited horses ?[/QUOTE]
I don’t know. I don’t care. It’s irrelevant. The HPA does not, anywhere, address any specific breed or type. It forbids what it forbids re HORSES.
Know it, believe it, live it.
G.
So I have some numbers for you to take and do with as you please. (And yes, I know my math from my earlier post and this post don’t match… math is not my forte, but I have triple checked it this time, and I think I have it right.)
From 1/1/2011 to 5/14/2012 (500 days) a total of 1357 violations were given. 24 states and 19 different types of violations. Comes out to 2.714 violations per day!:eek:
Here is the break down of states and number of violations held by people living in the state:
Colorado-1, Montana-2, California-2, Indiana-3, Michigan-3, Pennsylvania-3, Wisconsin-6, Louisiana-7, Texas-7, Arkansas-7, Nevada-7, Florida-12, Illinois-12, Missouri-13, West Virginia-18, Ohio-27, Mississippi-28, Virginia-29, Georgia-36, South Carolina-66, Alabama-103, North Carolina-207, Kentucky-261, Tennessee-497
Here is the break down of the different types of violations and how many per type:
Violation of Suspension-1, False Information-1, Non HPA Violation (Not Specified)-3, Scruf Present-3, Illegal Shoeing-4, High Band-4, Illegal Equipment-6, Failure to Report to DQP-6, Unruly Horse-7, Unknown Violation-8, Bad Image-11, Unacceptable Palpation-38, Open Lesion-42, Foreign Substance-63, Unacceptable Locomotion-69, Shoeing,Pads,ActionDevices-121, Sore (Bilateral/2feet)-136, Scar Rule-278, and finally Sore (Unilateral/1foot)-556
To me, this is unacceptable. Plain and simple. I guess I lean more to the ‘purist’ way of things in that if you can’t train it without gimmicks then you aren’t training. I now of an awesome palomino appaloosa who IF you can ride worth a damn you can get him in frame and moving out nicely. However, most people who ride him can’t do this so they use gimmicks. Makes me sad. 
The most I have used on my mare has been side reins when lunging her so that she doesn’t go around with her nose up in the air. I don’t ‘tighten’ them down too far. I take her to where she can have her nose out front of the vertical with NO pressure but any further and there is pressure. But when riding there ain’t nothing but the saddle and the bridle. Normal saddle and normal bridle at that!
I personally don’t see the point in chains and rollers (yes, I understand how and why they are used). And I don’t understand pads (like stacks). I don’t understand ‘corrective/weighted’ shoeing when used to correct a horse’s way of moving for the purpose of showing. If the horse can’t move correctly without those things then it’s genes SHOULD be removed from the pool. In my opinion, when these gimmicks are used, it’s lying and cheating plain and simple. So with that said, yes I support a ban on chains, rollers, pads like stacks (I’m okay with therapeutic and minimal-turn maximum limits), and corrective/weighted shoeing used to correct or enhance a horse’s way of going.
As for middle TN suffering majorly for this financially, I don’t care. And my family is from TN and I love TN and one day hope to live there. They have had plenty of time to correct this and have chosen NOT to do so. So just like the south suffered when the slaves were set free, let TN suffer when the Big Lick is done away with once and for all. You reap what you sow.
Wow, KY ranks second right after TN.
That’s a surprise. - NOT
[QUOTE=Logical;6330989]
. In my opinion, when these gimmicks are used, it’s lying and cheating plain and simple. So with that said, yes I support a ban on chains, rollers, pads like stacks (I’m okay with therapeutic and minimal-turn maximum limits), and corrective/weighted shoeing used to correct or enhance a horse’s way of going.
.[/QUOTE]
Oh!
[QUOTE=IdahoRider;6329658]
Follow the money and hit them in the wallet. That is where this will be stopped, at the financial level.
Sheilah[/QUOTE]
Only way to fight this is written above.
VOTE WITH YOUR DOLLARS.
They have to have sponsors. Do not buy from ANY sponsor. As for the show, do not go and buy a ticket, and do not enter your horse. Do not purchase goods or services from those tack shops, or doo dad shops or whatever place of business which have or sell Big Lick torture items or participate in the BL industry. Period. Know your business and whom you are giving your money to.
VOTE WITH YOUR DOLLARS. If they have to suffer in TN, about time. There is no excuse.
I have always thought the reason the slaughter plant was an idea they wanted to expand on up there was so they could take all the messed up padded horses, directly there when they break down or ? Sad. That way they can hide all the damage they do to this lovely breed. Think about it. Slaughter plant in TN. Hmmm. That is the first thing I thought of. Easier than tossing them on the pile “out back” of the barn, or running them through the auction and having some unknown person buy them. Better yet they can have less horses for sale which will drive up prices on this breed. But oh they sure do go through a lot of horses. Lots break down and then what do you do? Take them to the . . . . . and then have another one take it’s place. High turnover in the BL area.
Since I live south of the border, in AL, about less than 1 hour from Shelbyville I would not be opposed to showing up, and protesting.
Seen these pictures? Padding up close, damage from padding.
[QUOTE=Tamara in TN;6330828]
back in 1972 ? it included the chains and crazy feet of all the saddleseat breeds
THEY got smart and cleaned up and the Walking horse people thought they were immune…
Tamara[/QUOTE]
Back then Saddlebred trainers testified before congress that they did not sore horses and had never known any other Saddlebred trainer to sore. Inspectors have examined the legs of other breeds that are allowed to warm up with chains, dog collar straps or stretchers on and have concluded that without the other parts of the puzzle that make it soreing the action devices alone cause no harm. There is a USDA Power Point Presentation on soreing that specifically addresses this. There was an article on The Horse’s website about how action devices or weighted boots on the hind legs can be used as a physical therapy type tool for any horse overcoming hind leg lameness.
[QUOTE=Guilherme;6330634]
Thermography only tells you one thing: differences in temperature in objects and between adjacent objects.
There’s more than one kind of “thermography.”
The most common is “combat thermography” where heat is used to target objects for missles, bombs, or sniper fire.
“Therepudic thermography” is much more difficult to use.
First, you must have a “base line scan” to dertermine what is or is not normal for any given animal. In this it’s similar to EKGs where a base line scan is necessary to determine “normal.”
Second, you have to have a fairly “clean” environment for thermogrpahy with a forensic level of accuracy to be reliable. Most DQP stations lack that level of “cleanliness.”
Third, a temperature differential must analyzed by somebody who knows how to read the scan. In this it’s like reading X-rays or CT Scans or ultrasonography or other sophisticated imagery. It’s not something you can teach in a weekend.
These are at least three of the reasons you don’t see it in widespread use. Maybe cost would be number four.
G.[/QUOTE]
Given the gravity of the situation maybe it should e instigated, not every horse or every show but random, similar to drug testing
When Davis was sentenced in February in Chattanooga, he took the witness stand and described soring in detail.
Soring is needed so the horses can “step as big as they can step. That’s how you win,” Davis said, according to the court transcript.
The owners “want to win the money, the prestige, you know. They want that they’ve got a horse that can win,” he testified.
Davis also said soring is common. “Everybody does — I mean, they’ve got to be sored to walk. I mean, that’s the bottom line. It ain’t no good way to put it, but that’s it,” he said.
:no:
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20120522/NEWS21/305220035
No idea why the Big Lick section of the TWH is trying to convince the rest of the planet that it’s only 1 or 2 rare bad apples.
well maybe truth is out,the owner( Privett )of taj mahal stood by as McConnell did his handy work. also Cash Sweep’s owner knew that soring was going on. he stood and watched as May applied the butter. this is a matter of public record folks. its time these owners are held responsible for what they pay the trainers to do. Its time that the TWHBEA look at everything CHANGE THE RULE BOOK.
if a trainer is found soring at a SHOW take that LIC,fine them and the owner.BIG FINES even if the horse is owned by a corp,nail their a---- to the rail.
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