Tennessee Walking Horse Soring Issue *Update post 1*

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Saddlebreds are sometimes sored even though ASB will not admit it. They trot higher they just have to do it on both front feet. Pressure shoeing and driving nails into the quick…dirty little secret that they try to distance themselves from. The trainers are sick that abuse, but, even worse are the owners that allow this to happen.:no:[/QUOTE]

Here we go again…this is why we are forced to keep going off track. THEY WILL NOT TROT WHEN THEY ARE SORE.

This is why agents from Bute to Snake venom have been used (illegally) to DEADEN THE SORENESS.

Driving a nail into a quick would be stupid. There was a case where an ASB pulled up lame very quickly and it was determined the nail was too close.

The horse was LAME LAME LAME LAME LAME…did not trot higher.

And here is your research…go to a vet who specializes in lameness. There is absolutely NO WAY a horse could be equally sored so there would be no difference between the front feet trotting. One would be more sore…THAT is why if an ASB has been pushed too hard for too long and is sore they use PAIN KILLERS.

This is not a dirty little secret. Please identify yourself and provide verifiable proof.

[QUOTE=Wiccangirl;6335751]
Saddlebreds are sometimes sored even though ASB will not admit it. They trot higher they just have to do it on both front feet. Pressure shoeing and driving nails into the quick…dirty little secret that they try to distance themselves from. The trainers are sick that abuse, but, even worse are the owners that allow this to happen.:no:[/QUOTE]

That is a blatantly false accusation.

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This is why agents from Bute to Snake venom have been used (illegally) to DEADEN THE SORENESS.

And here is your research…go to a vet who specializes in lameness. There is absolutely NO WAY a horse could be equally sored so there would be no difference between the front feet trotting. One would be more sore…THAT is why if an ASB has been pushed too hard for too long and is sore they use PAIN KILLERS.

This is not a dirty little secret. Please identify yourself and provide verifiable proof.[/QUOTE]

And there was a German Dressage Team Coach quoted as saying something like, “It is not illegal if they can’t test for it,” in regards to FEI and their zero tolerance policy. Every single facet of the horse business has crooks.

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Can you give me his name so I can go back to her head of P.R. and let them know Coth ites know more than Orprah ites[/QUOTE]

It was mentioned earlier in this thread. The horse was named. It was back in the 90s i believe. Im sure you can go look yourself or google around as we did several days ago. Old news.

Saved you the trouble cause i hate that i forgot his name - WW Trailmaster.
Now go educate her head of PR. ahem

It will give me great pleasure. Young “P.R.” kids sometimes need to be gently brought down a step…especially when they state emphatically no…

Some of the famous walking horse owners are Roy Rogers, Gene Autrey, and even Oprah Winfrey. Elvis Presley’s father was enjoying a ride on a Tennessee Walker in an old biographical film I happened to see recently.

Roy Rogers purchased Allen’s Gold Zephyr TWHBEA #431975 from Paul K. Fisher of Souderton, Pennsylvania. Mr. Fisher was known for having the largest breeding farm in the United States for both Palomino Tennessee Walkers and Palomino Quarter Horses. Zephyr was highly schooled and could accomplish a variety of difficult tricks. This Tennessee Walker became known as Trigger Jr.

Gene Autry owned several Tennessee Walkers. Stonewall Allen TWHBEA #360159 was foaled March 20, 1934. Red Cloud V. was foaled May 9, 1964 on the Calvin Miller ranch at Rhame, North Dakota. His great-great grandsire was the sorrel walking horse stallion I rode in the fifties. Calvin Miller sold him to Dr. Owen Vowell of El Paos, Texas. Dr. Vowell sold him to Gene Autrey. These became two of Gene Autry’s “Champions.”

Oprah Winfrey bought her beautiful black stallion, W W Trailmaster, from a Washington State walking horse breeder.

This was from an article by Grace Larsen, Horse Previews Magazine 4/1/97

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Sorry to derail with a derailment mention (re:Wiccangirls post)…but how does driving a nail in a foot make a horse step higher? I admit I know nothing about gaited horses of any breed, but I do know one thing - a nail in the foot makes a horse 3 legged. A nail in 2 feet would lay a horse down. This just doesn’t make sense, even for a barbarian that sores.

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[QUOTE=hundredacres;6335891]
Sorry to derail with a derailment mention (re:Wiccangirls post)…but how does driving a nail in a foot make a horse step higher? I admit I know nothing about gaited horses of any breed, but I do know one thing - a nail in the foot makes a horse 3 legged. A nail in 2 feet would lay a horse down. This just doesn’t make sense, even for a barbarian that sores.[/QUOTE]

It has been done to somebody that is right on this forum. She bought a horse that had nails driven into the feet. Just think how long the TWH people have denied this until it was on video…:mad:

THIS IS WHAT CAN MAKE HAPPEN TOO IN YOUR OWN STATE!!!

UNBELIEVABLE…naw I take it back it is very believable…the world turned
on that video…

Just lookie here

make sure you follow the link and read the particulars

Bill Information for SB2759

*SB 2759 by *Henry , Ketron, Ford, Gresham, Harper, Marrero , Massey, Overbey, Yager, Summerville ( HB 3082 by *Odom )
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http://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/BillInfo/default.aspx?BillNumber=SB2759&GA=107

Sorry to derail with a derailment mention (re:Wiccangirls post)…but how does driving a nail in a foot make a horse step higher? I admit I know nothing about gaited horses of any breed, but I do know one thing - a nail in the foot makes a horse 3 legged. A nail in 2 feet would lay a horse down. This just doesn’t make sense, even for a barbarian that sores.

A TWH should have 4 beat even lateral gaits; the flat walk and running walk. A characteristic of the breed is a deep head nod with every step. People who are not familiar with the breed at times think they are lame or something is just NQR with them on first look. It is because of their gait and the headnod that makes detecting lameness entertaining (sarcasm).

If you put a nail in the foot to where it is painful, the horse wants to take pressure off that foot or just flat not set it down. You will have a horse who has a pronounced head not and limp whem walking. Now take a TWH who already had a deep head nod (or should) and make both front feet incredibly painful… Your result is a horse who wants to have both front feet off the ground. You will see these horses laying down in pain in their stalls groaning. When you ask the horse to perform its gait, every time it slaps a hoof down it is excruciating and they immediately want to jerk the foot up and higher to keep it off the ground. But the other foot must come down…now repeat with every step. They will also put more weight on their hind end to keep pressure off the front feet.

You would think though that a horse who is in that much pain will react to palpation but this is where stewarding comes in. It is the practice of teaching a horse in some not so very kind ways to not react to pain. They are punished for reacting to pain…ever flinch, every jump, anything. It is aweful.

[QUOTE=Rudy;6335966]
A TWH should have 4 beat even lateral gaits; the flat walk and running walk. A characteristic of the breed is a deep head nod with every step. People who are not familiar with the breed at times think they are lame or something is just NQR with them on first look. It is because of their gait and the headnod that makes detecting lameness entertaining (sarcasm).

If you put a nail in the foot to where it is painful, the horse wants to take pressure off that foot or just flat not set it down. You will have a horse who has a pronounced head not and limp whem walking. Now take a TWH who already had a deep head nod (or should) and make both front feet incredibly painful… Your result is a horse who wants to have both front feet off the ground. You will see these horses laying down in pain in their stalls groaning. When you ask the horse to perform its gait, every time it slaps a hoof down it is excruciating and they immediately want to jerk the foot up and higher to keep it off the ground. But the other foot must come down…now repeat with every step. They will also put more weight on their hind end to keep pressure off the front feet.

You would think though that a horse who is in that much pain will react to palpation but this is where stewarding comes in. It is the practice of teaching a horse in some not so very kind ways to not react to pain. They are punished for reacting to pain…ever flinch, every jump, anything. It is aweful.[/QUOTE]

And this is why this “technique” works only on a horse that is only shown at a 4 beat gait and not a horse who is shown at the trot.

[QUOTE=Renae;6335970]
And this is why this “technique” works only on a horse that is only shown at a 4 beat gait and not a horse who is shown at the trot.[/QUOTE]

Something about screwing up the timing of a trot and adding a head nod where it doesn’t belong would give it away.

Thanks Preacher ! Heading over there now…

The Chattanoogan

Roy Exum: Two Horse Owners Write
Wednesday, May 23, 2012 - by Roy Exum

As Jackie McConnell was being told he now faces up to five years in prison and a multitude of other penalties after pleading guilty to just one of 48 counts in violation of the Horse Protection Act on Tuesday, the outcry from Tennessee Walking Horse owners was incredible and there is a groundswell of support growing to either clean up a very crooked industry or actually ban it.
Ironically, a Page One story in the Nashville Tennessean on Tuesday quoted former U.S. Senator Joseph Tydings, who originally wrote the federal House Protection Act 40 years ago, as saying, “It’s just as bad today” as it was when he was prompted to introduce the legislation long ago.
I got another deluge of signed emails yesterday and please allow me to use just two in hopes the federal prosecutors, our judges, our elected officials and our jurors will finally put the criminals who still thrive in the Tennessee Walking Horse industry in their proper place – that would be jail.


Dear Mr. Exum:
There is no doubt that Mr. McConnell is a cad. The people who work with and for him are abusers of animals, but they are far from being (the only) rogues and everyone in the industry knows it, including the Celebration management.
Ask yourself this question: if you had trainers who had received one of the government’s longest awarded suspensions for soring horses and the judgment covered not only one (family member) but two, as well as their wives and a hired hand, would you, if you were a legitimate industry committed to sound horses and ethical training practices, welcome such people back into your midst with open arms when the (multi-year) suspension was complete?
There is every indication that these scofflaws continued to train horses that were exhibited through other means. If you were serious about this protection of the horse and guaranteeing a sound competition arena, wouldn’t you have banned them from your industry for life?
Well, if you were the walking horse industry the answer would be “no” and to show exactly what “no” means, all you have to do is look at the winner of the 2011 World Grand Championship title. It was won by (name deleted) the violator who got this multiple-year suspension. Everyone took his money and his picture. The picture of the horse now hangs in the state capital.
(A) magazine trumpeted his praises. The audience cheered and no one ever mentioned or seemed to notice that this guy and his crew should never have been let near a horse again. Is this a one-time deal… look at the 2010 Celebration grand champion winner, (name deleted), another multiple federal violator, just back from a recent multi-year suspension.
I could go on, right through the Hall of Famers, the Trainers of the Year, and more but it is clear to me that you already have gotten the idea that the picture that is being painted by the PR spin is not quite the real face of the industry.
The trainers know and cover up for each other. The owners know who these guys are and what their history with the law is (even if they may never have seen them in action with their own horses) and they frankly don’t care.
I would remind you that to actually get a federal conviction is no easy task to accomplish. The accused “lawyer up” and it can take years to actually get the case decided. Meanwhile, the trainers keep training horses and the owners keep paying the bills; the associations continue to tell the big lie and the locals turn their heads so as not to upset the economic apple cart. The horror spins along like a well-oiled machine and there is an irony in the word “oiled.”
If you are interested I can send you the violation reports for the current crop of Riders’ Cup competitors in the industry. It makes for interesting reading and analysis, especially in view of what the so-called inspectors keep turning up again and again, a one foot sore violation, that just happens to come without any penalties.
Face it, trainers don’t sore horses on one foot, Mr. Exum, and legitimate industries don’t welcome animal abusers back into their ranks again and again, allow them to continue to compete as if they were legitimate competitors, and then crown them with the industry’s highest titles at the same time they are saying that McConnell is a rogue and not representative of the rest of them.
McConnell “is” the rest of them. He just happened to get caught on an undercover video tape.


Dear Mr. Exum,
Not that this will be a surprise, but I have to tell this to you. I have recently returned home … from the “Panama City Beach Celebration” walking horse show April 26-29 2012. I took my prized … stallion to compete … but to my horror I saw that most horses in the barn were sored, even laying and moaning.
I guess my biggest surprise was that it was openly talked about … like it was just a matter-of-fact around the barn. I had my horse near the entrance to the arena trying to get him to use to the built up walkers and the arena … A young man walked up behind scuffing the ground (with his foot) then moving closer and repeating the scuffing (as if he was trying to hide something in the dirt.)
It was making my horse even more nervous so I looked harder – he was moving along quickly to cover-up the bloody steps of another horse that had just broke its foot off! The young man told me this in a hushed voice, like I would understand.
My horse and the young girl that rides him were both nervous, so I had her take the horse behind the barn area to lunge him for a bit to get them working together and reduce some of their tension. I was on the sideline watching when I felt people behind me. Several trainers – I suppose – had lined up to watch. The one directly behind me said “You are a good horse person.” I said “Excuse me?” and he repeated it.
To this day I know it was sarcasm in the remark, but I still have no idea how it was meant.
When I got back to where we were staying I sat down and just cried for the poor animals. There was a young colt next to my horse (pure white with sensitive pink skin). I witnessed him being beaten and saw the sores on his legs. This baby – not even two – laid on his back with his feet in the air to get relief.
My husband tried (at my pleading) to buy him so we could rescue him and bring him back with us, but the owners were not in attendance. He was traveling with his trainers/abusers and a deal could not be accomplished.
After hearing about the atrocities at the show, some of the young girls (who ride) at my barn have been trying to find ways to raise funds to rescue the white colt. Of course now, after the ABC news story, they are more determined. I still well in tears when I think about the show and my rider refuses to show at all now.
When I take my students and horses to a show I always tell them “We are happy with a 3rd place ribbon on a SOUND horse!” I sincerely hope that this is the beginning of the end of soring. My worry is that when the news becomes old, the practices will be in full force again.


Wow! And if you think these letters are dandies, you ought to see what else is arriving in my email by the hour. Sadly, the horses can’t write.
royexum@aol.com

[QUOTE=The Preacher;6335943]
THIS IS WHAT CAN MAKE HAPPEN TOO IN YOUR OWN STATE!!!
*SB 2759 by *Henry , Ketron, Ford, Gresham, Harper, Marrero , Massey, Overbey, Yager, Summerville ( HB 3082 by *Odom )[/QUOTE]
There is a legislator on that list that I am extremely pleased with…someone I worked very hard to get in office when he ran for his first time. Happy Dance!

Another technical question for someone more familiar with the industry:

I understand that there are problems funding the USDA to do the inspection and oversight work they need to do. Is this correct? If so why would this be? Governments of all sizes local to national use fines to cover the cost of enforcement. This is done from the collection of speeding fines use to fund your local speed trap to the IRS.

Is there not a “USDA inspection fee” on every show entry form? Does the WH industry, not have to pony up fees for USDA inspections at shows and shouldn’t fees and fines pay for the USDA budget line item where it involves the industry? It’s not like there aren’t enough violators to fine or that the current punishment is severe enough to discourage future behavior.

Depending on the answers to my questions, this could be a great subject of conversation or a letter to a member of Congress or Senate–make the WH cover the cost of USDA regulation and stop sending that bill to the taxpayer. Surely the government has better use of it’s limited resources than paying to be the rules violation committee for horse shows!

It’s the law ! It was signed by the governor 5-21-12. Does this mean that McConnell is facing a felony conviction for the animal abuse charges ? In early June ? Can it be ?

SENATE BILL 2759
By Henry
AN ACT to amend Tennessee Code Annotated, Title 39,
Chapter 14, Part 2, to create the Class E felony
offense of aggravated cruelty to livestock and to
establish the elements of, penalties for and
exclusions to such offense.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF TENNESSEE:
SECTION 1. Tennessee Code Annotated, Title 39, Chapter 14, Part 2, is amended by
adding the following as a new section:
39-14-216.
(a) As used in this section unless the context otherwise requires,
“livestock” has the meaning ascribed in that term in § 39-14-201.
(b) Except as provided in subsections (d) and (e), a person commits
aggravated cruelty to a livestock animal who, in a depraved and sadistic manner,
intentionally engages in any of the conduct described in subdivisions ©(1)-(12),
the conduct results in serious bodily injury to the animal or the death of the
animal, and is without justifiable or lawful purpose.
© The following conduct constitutes aggravated cruelty to livestock
animals if accomplished in the manner described in subsection (b):
(1) Setting an animal on fire;
(2) Burning an animal with any hot object;
(3) Cutting or stabbing an animal with any object;
(4) Causing blunt force trauma to an animal;
(5) Securing an animal to a vehicle and dragging it;
(6) Blinding an animal;

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    (7) Applying acid or other caustic substance or chemical to any
    exposed area of an animal or forcing the animal to ingest the substance;
    (8) Hanging a living animal;
    (9) Skinning an animal while it is still alive;
    (10) Administering electric shock to an animal;
    (11) Drowning an animal; or
    (12) Shooting an animal with a weapon.
    (d) Subsections (b) and © shall not be construed to apply to, prohibit or
    interfere with the following:
    (1) Any provision of title 70, involving fish and wildlife, or any
    hunting, trapping, or fishing activities lawful under such title;
    (2) Activities or conduct that are prohibited by § 39-14-203; or
    (3) Dispatching an animal in any manner not prohibited by this
    section.
    (e) The following shall not be construed as aggravated cruelty to a
    livestock animal as defined in this section:
    (1) Dispatching rabid, diseased, sick or injured livestock animals;
    (2) Dispatching livestock animals posing a clear and immediate
    threat to human safety;
    (3) Performing or conducting bona fide scientific tests,
    experiments or investigations within or for a bona fide research
    laboratory, facility or institution;
    (4) Performing accepted veterinary medical practices or
    treatments;
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    (5) Engaging, with the consent of the owner of a livestock animal,
    in usual and customary practices which are accepted by colleges of
    agriculture or veterinary medicine with respect to that animal;
    (6) Dispatching wild or abandoned livestock animals on a farm or
    residential real property; or
    (7) Applying methods and equipment used to train livestock
    animals.
    (f) In addition to the penalty imposed by subsection (j), the defendant
    may be held liable to:
    (1) The owner of the livestock animal for damages; and
    (2) The impounding officer or agency for all costs of impoundment
    from the time of seizure to the time of proper disposition of the case.
    (g) In addition to the penalty imposed by subsection (j), the sentencing
    court may order the defendant to surrender custody and forfeit all livestock
    animals, and may award custody of the animals to the agency presenting the
    case. The court may prohibit the defendant from having custody of other
    livestock animals for any period of time the court determines to be reasonable, or
    impose any other reasonable restrictions on the person’s custody of livestock
    animals as is necessary for the protection of the animals.
    (h) In addition to the penalty imposed by subsection (j), the court may
    require the defendant to undergo psychological evaluation and counseling, the
    cost to be borne by the defendant. If the defendant is indigent, the court may,
    where practicable, direct the defendant to locate and enroll in a counseling or
    treatment program with an appropriate agency.
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I know the TWH show world is a confusing and murky place at best-- especially for those who are not “into” TWHs in general and the show horses in particular.

I want to remind everyone that “performance horse” is just the Big Lickers’ “new speak” for a horse that is up on stacks of pads and who may or may not wear chains or action devices in the ring, but has certainly been “trained” by using them.

Jackie McConnell trained “performance horses” using the BL “newspeak” term.

So

"performance horse = Big Lick padded horse, with or without chains

GOT IT? I hope so.

Prohibit stacks of pads, heavy shoes (in any class including the flatshod classes) hoofbands and action devices and you will, in effect, stamp out MOST of the soring and abuse in the TWH show world.

Hey im dancing with you subk !