Tennessee Walking Horse Soring Issue *Update post 1*

[QUOTE=katarine;6340066]
The Celebration grounds are private property. Proceed with caution if you plan to Occupy Private Property,

http://www.aclu-tn.org/pdfs/your_right_to_protest.pdf[/QUOTE]

Good advice. But I wonder what would happen if people bought tickets and all sat together in the cheap seats and smuggled in signs that simply said “Big Lick Has Got to Go” and held them up during some of the final night “performance class” world Championships?

Of course, it would have to be a lot of people doing this all together so they would not risk attack by the BL supporting thugs-- I mean, we already know some of them have no problems beating 1,200 b horses so they probably wouldn’t think twice about beating another person.

Honestly, it scares the heck out of me. Maybe I’ve watched too many movies like Mississippi Burning…

What about raising money to rent a bill board or 2, IN shelbyville during Celebration depicting soring and asking Tennesseans if THIS is what they want to represent.

PetePie

so you can understand even little old ladies in the south carry guns. not just the thugs.

i can carry,i have a license to do so 24/7,even in the state of TN,KY,Fla, Ga Ut.most every state in the union.

now to occupy the celebration,i bet we’d need a permit,whatta bet BEDFORD COUNTY will not issue one.

so going as a group in the gate,may work
keep thinking folks there has to be a way.

[QUOTE=hundredacres;6340503]
Honestly, it scares the heck out of me. Maybe I’ve watched too many movies like Mississippi Burning…

What about raising money to rent a bill board or 2, IN shelbyville during Celebration depicting soring and asking Tennesseans if THIS is what they want to represent.[/QUOTE]

NOW this IS a good idea that doesn’t expose anyone to possible physical harm or arrest.

BTW -A friend in Shelbyville tells me they were all braced for protesters, etc. but none showed up. She was very active in the sound flatshod horse movement that had picked up steam in the 1980s. She is totally “out of the game” now and just keeps a few broodmares and sells mainly to the field trial and pleasure riding crowd.

And of course I bet the flatshod people went right ahead and showed at the Fun Show right along with the Big Lickers – because MANY of the people that show in Shelbyville are former BL people or they have a foot in both camps.

BTW, my non-horsey husband is all over going to Celebration and protesting. He’s much bigger than me though ;).

And what about buying public service announcements on local TN TV during Celebration? Of course this means raising money. Possibly a lot. But maybe this could be done with some organization and effort.

good morning ROY

http://www.chattanoogan.com/2012/5/28/227094/Roy-Exum-Danes-Walking-Horse-Hearing.aspx

[QUOTE=WalkInTheWoods;6340205]
Another writer at the Tennessean keeping it real.

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20120525/NEWS21/30525004

TN attorney general asked to investigate soring
Show managers have a duty, Humane Society says

The Humane Society of the United States asked Tennessee’s attorney general Thursday to investigate the role horse show management plays in allowing sored horses to compete.

Soring, an abusive practice aimed at producing a higher gait among walking horses, is illegal under federal and state law.

In a letter to Attorney General Robert Cooper, the Humane Society said state law imposes a duty on show management to disqualify anyone showing a sored horse and to report the violations to local prosecutors. Failing to do so is a misdemeanor.

“Tennessee has a good tool to improve the chances that the walking horse industry will think twice before abusing horses to cheat in these competitions,” Keith Dane, the Humane Society’s director of equine protection, said in a statement.

“Show managers are currently either unaware of their duty to report sored horses or are thumbing their noses at the law.”

Sharon Curtis-Flair, a spokeswoman for Cooper, said the attorney general’s office received the Humane Society’s letter Thursday afternoon.

She called the allegations “serious” and said the office will review the Humane Society’s letter and determine what actions to take.

Industry vows crackdown
Tennessee Walking Horses have a naturally high gait. But over the years, some trainers figured out that the training could go faster if they burned the horse’s ankles, a practice known as soring.

Dripping harsh chemicals on the horses’ front ankles forces them, because of pain, to lift their legs higher. The walk is prized in walking horse competitions.

Walking horse industry groups have pledged for decades to crack down on soring. Leading industry groups condemn the practice and say a small number of trainers are giving the sport a bad reputation.

But dozens of owners and trainers are on suspension for the practice and with the recent release of undercover video detailing soring and other abuses, the Humane Society is asking federal and state officials to do more.

In the letter to the state, Jonathan Lovvorn, a Humane Society senior vice president, said the case of trainer Jackie L. McConnell proves the need for more action. The Humane Society secretly filmed McConnell at his barn soring and beating horses.

McConnell pleaded guilty in federal court this week to felony conspiracy to violating the federal Horse Protection Act. He faces separate state animal cruelty charges in Fayette County.

Industry groups have been quick to ban McConnell from their events, including the Tennessee Walking Horse National Celebration in Shelbyville. The Tennessee Walking Horse Breeders’ and Exhibitors’ Association was the latest, barring him Thursday from transferring or registering any walking horse in his name.

Based on his guilty plea, Lovvorn said the Humane Society is concerned that, when McConnell entered sored horses into competitions, show organizers probably never reported the problems to authorities.

“We respectfully request that you open an investigation into this problem, make horse show managers aware of their legal obligations, and take steps to prosecute those that have not conducted themselves in the matter required by Tennessee law,” Lovvorn wrote.

Contact Duane W. Gang at 615-726-5982 or dgang@tennessean.com[/QUOTE]

Cough… Cough… OMG!!! The hghlighted area is totally false and laughable.

This breed and the so called signature gait is not NATURALLY high stepping.

It is a sweeping swinging gait; low reaching and beautifully balanced(and a thrill to ride!).

Unless you consider the “blocks of wood” of the “less hysterical” thread to be “natural.”

It is h.y.s.t.e.r.i.c.a.l. that anyone would post that picture of the stacked horse and not think people would be shocked at the stacks.

Lordy, I think I could actually work for HSUS. I remember making the comment that show and breed organizations need to take the legal heat on this, big time.

It is too much to expect any show organization or breed association actually self police or act on behalf of the equestrian community or the wellfare of the horse. I mean do you all hear the official roar of condemnation from any other professional horseman’s association??? ANd the reason is they are not governed or willing to follow a higher authority - Think about why places like ENgland do not hav the huge problems like this TWH mess.

Cause they have a higher authoriy professional organizational structure requiring licencing etc etc to participate in the trade.

Think about it and look at the video. And listen to the silence of the other professional associations on this matter. WHere is the condemnation???

Other than those that have been in the trenches fighting this crap for 40 years - they are all pretty silent.

So I am VERY glad to hear HSUS is gonna drain the sloth’s pockets a little more.

Drain em Dane!!!

Heck the entire equestrian community looked the other way till HSUS lit the world on fire. Not for nothing, I think HSUS has the money and the right approach on this equestrian problem.

Screw the protests. Fund HSUS on this.

Cause reasonablenes will not work with a crowd of folks that have come to view something as horrid as a stacked horse’s foot as beautiful or acceptable.

May be a good idea

[QUOTE=hundredacres;6340503]
Honestly, it scares the heck out of me. Maybe I’ve watched too many movies like Mississippi Burning…

What about raising money to rent a bill board or 2, IN shelbyville during Celebration depicting soring and asking Tennesseans if THIS is what they want to represent.[/QUOTE]

May be a good idea if he billboard company would allow it. Needs to be graphic. I’ve seen graphic anti-abortion billboards. Just curious what the cost is for a billboard, anyone know? Wish we could plaster billboards across the country.

Tennessee Walking Horses have a naturally high gait
Yeah that popped out to me too. The writer may not be a horseperson but the intent of the editorial was on target.

http://www.chattanoogan.com/2012/5/28/227094/Roy-Exum-Danes-Walking-Horse-Hearing.aspx
In today’s Roy Exum opinion piece Keith Dane’s TWHBEA Directorship in Maryland is on the chopping block. There are also quotes from a letter written by Celebration CEO Dr. Doyle G. Meadows to the Shelbyville Times-Gazette regarding the “Much Soring Alleged” by Brian Mosely. Here is that article he refers to:

http://www.t-g.com/story/1822770.html

A search of the Shelbyville Times-Gazette came up with this list:

http://www.t-g.com/scripts/search/simple.php?query=soring&s=stories

So the TWHBEA is under scrutiny from articles in The Tennessean, The Chatanoogan, and the Shelbyville Times-Gazette and the action they choose to take is remove Keith Dane’s directorship ? What the heck ?

WHIN - Women"s Horse Industry Network which is based in Madison, TN
would be a good contact. She has great contacts to television and does TV ads also lists all the breed assoc. on her website.

Contact is Catherine whinboss@yahoo.com 615-730-7833

Haven’t caught up on the thread this morning, went and read Roy Exum’s article first so I don’t know if anyone else has pointed this out.

http://www.chattanoogan.com/2012/5/28/227094/Roy-Exum-Danes-Walking-Horse-Hearing.aspx

Quote from a letter written by Celebration CEO Dr. Doyle G. Meadows to the Shelbyville Times-Gazette on April 12 regarding Kieth Doyle published in the article:

“There is no question that a few horses are able to violate the law without detection"

Seriously?

Maryland is waaaay cool for putting a cock fighting rooting tooting rooster in the wolves den to kick sum butt!!!

Woot! WOOT!

good point - I guess all those masochistic horses didnt read the HPA

Dang those horses!

Sounds desperate

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http://www.chattanoogan.com/2012/5/28/227094/Roy-Exum-Danes-Walking-Horse-Hearing.aspx
In today’s Roy Exum opinion piece Keith Dane’s TWHBEA Directorship in Maryland is on the chopping block. There are also quotes from a letter written by Celebration CEO Dr. Doyle G. Meadows to the Shelbyville Times-Gazette regarding the “Much Soring Alleged” by Brian Mosely. Here is that article he refers to:

http://www.t-g.com/story/1822770.html

A search of the Shelbyville Times-Gazette came up with this list:

http://www.t-g.com/scripts/search/simple.php?query=soring&s=stories

So the TWHBEA is under scrutiny from articles in The Tennessean, The Chatanoogan, and the Shelbyville Times-Gazette and the action they choose to take is remove Keith Dane’s directorship ? What the heck ?[/QUOTE]

They sound desperate to me.

defensive for sure.

Keith Dane, head of HSUS horse protection has a 35 year history with TWH’s and has never been effective in making any changes. He was with FOSH for a decade and he takes credit for the “non soring anti big lick” show circuit.

He has been a judge for decades.

I do realize he has ONLY been with HSUS since 2007 but you would have thought that something as near and dear to his hearr… anti soring…would have reared its head last year when the tape was made, rather than this year when an election is going to be held and they can further their agenda.

I am AGAINST ALL SORING…however I am also against those who just jump on a band wagon, pointing fingers and demanding government intervention when they are a major player with a non profit corporation that could spend a few million in creating alternatives for the TWH breed.

HSUS, however, has its own agenda. Under the guise of concern, exposing torture, they quietly work behind the scenes with their 52 full time lawyers and 20 plus full time lobby reps spending 20 million yearly to influence politicians to make changes to laws that will not only impact the TWH but also all breeds with the goal to remove horse shows and horse ownership as a hobby or sport.

As for the homeland, Maryland…home of HSUS, their off shoot, the Maryland Horse Council and their “voice” The Equiery Horse Magazine what can one say…except the President of the Maryland T B Race Association was threatened with disruption of their race card for this year if he went against the HSUS “command” to testify in a case.

THIS is the problem with “hoping” that HSUS and its friends will work WITH TWH owners against soring. They will, work against soring, while raking in millions in donations to help these poor horses…and those horses will never see one penny of the money.

Keith Dane HAD a decade of opportunity to make a difference to the breed, and he only applied self serving lip stick to the issue.

[QUOTE=Fairfax;6342383]
Keith Dane, head of HSUS horse protection has a 35 year history with TWH’s and has never been effective in making any changes. He was with FOSH for a decade and he takes credit for the “non soring anti big lick” show circuit.

He has been a judge for decades.

I do realize he has ONLY been with HSUS since 2007 but you would have thought that something as near and dear to his hearr… anti soring…would have reared its head last year when the tape was made, rather than this year when an election is going to be held and they can further their agenda.

I am AGAINST ALL SORING…however I am also against those who just jump on a band wagon, pointing fingers and demanding government intervention when they are a major player with a non profit corporation that could spend a few million in creating alternatives for the TWH breed.

HSUS, however, has its own agenda. Under the guise of concern, exposing torture, they quietly work behind the scenes with their 52 full time lawyers and 20 plus full time lobby reps spending 20 million yearly to influence politicians to make changes to laws that will not only impact the TWH but also all breeds with the goal to remove horse shows and horse ownership as a hobby or sport.

As for the homeland, Maryland…home of HSUS, their off shoot, the Maryland Horse Council and their “voice” The Equiery Horse Magazine what can one say…except the President of the Maryland T B Race Association was threatened with disruption of their race card for this year if he went against the HSUS “command” to testify in a case.

THIS is the problem with “hoping” that HSUS and its friends will work WITH TWH owners against soring. They will, work against soring, while raking in millions in donations to help these poor horses…and those horses will never see one penny of the money.

Keith Dane HAD a decade of opportunity to make a difference to the breed, and he only applied self serving lip stick to the issue.[/QUOTE]

He certainly did more than any of the folks you support with your posts and dollars.

We can expect the equivalent in anti horse advertising in the near future:

One pamphlet that addressed the wearing of fur, was headlined "Your Mommy Kills Animals," featuring a cartoon of a mother slicing a knife into a rabbit’s stomach. Another was called, “Your Daddy Kills Animals!” with an image of a father gutting a fish.

“Since your daddy is teaching you the wrong lessons about right and wrong, you should teach him fishing is killing,” the pamphlet. "Until your daddy learns it’s not fun to kill, keep your doggies and kitties away from him. He’s so hooked on killing defenseless animals, they could be next."

This is my reason to exclude HSUS and any group working with them to remove horses (or any animal) from a show scene.

It IS, however, a time for individuals to DEMAND that inspections take place for the TWH in ALL DIVISIONS and that costs be covered by every TWH entry in a show due to the flat shod soring issues also exposed.