Tennessee Walking Horse Soring Issue *Update post 1*

well now 2 lawyers with HPA violation,K.Zeis has violations and could Carl Mays be related to the Mays guy in with Jackie the Jerk.

Boy this game of connect the dots is getting really BIG.

its like the MOB of TWH. let them have jackie the Jerk,Mays and Abernathy,lets throw in Cotten. to save our sorry butts.

Keis tryed to get K.Dane,but that sortta back fired. will this Big pow wow in Murfreesbro,get others thrown under the bus.it will if all don’t play my Mullins rules,SHOW wants to run the inspections so only that Country club will win.

the plot thickens,they still want to sore and abuse the tn walking horse

in the American Farrier Journal,they feel stacks and packages are abusive and unethical. so are they going to stand with the AAEP and others to help the USDA stop this practice. i sure hope so.

Rudy i hardly consider the padding and chaining of horses an “aspect”. I love TWHs and always will i just dont see much to celebrate when the padded horses are in the limelight. I really have become a breed snob since meeting up with the TWH. I always loved nice representatives of any breed, but TWHs have stolen my heart and breed loyalty. I personally dont want the celebration to end, just to change and showcase the breed for its spectacular natural movement. Celebration is synonymous with BL and that is what i would like to see change. Trying to kill the show ??? To you then, is Celebration all about BL ?

The Celebration is far from being just about the padded performance horses to me. I love all divisions and go to see everything but the 2 yr old divisions which I think should be done away with. While the padded classes tend to be a big draw, there are others there and many at that. Do you think that pulling major sponsors from the Celebration isn’t going to harm the non padded exhibitors? That somehow they will be immune and that event organizers are going to suddenly have a change of heart about the padded divisions and allow only non padded to compete? The chances of that happening at this time are slim to none and bringing down the Celebration hurts everyone who shows.

OK we are in agreement about this. I hate to see 2 yr olds of any breed ridden in a show or race. Its just wrong. And that they had to be ridden for months leading up to that 2 yr old show season is just plain abusive. With standardbreds, at least they are pulling weight and not carrying it. I doubt Coke will pull out, but it doesnt hurt to let them know they are losing customers because of their choice.

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The Celebration is far from being just about the padded performance horses to me. I love all divisions and go to see everything but the 2 yr old divisions which I think should be done away with. While the padded classes tend to be a big draw, there are others there and many at that. Do you think that pulling major sponsors from the Celebration isn’t going to harm the non padded exhibitors? That somehow they will be immune and that event organizers are going to suddenly have a change of heart about the padded divisions and allow only non padded to compete? The chances of that happening at this time are slim to none and bringing down the Celebration hurts everyone who shows.[/QUOTE]

You are right . Many will suffer from Celebration boycotts.

But for decades the “clean and sound” folks have deafened others with their silence. Their dollars have facilitated the abuse. They have been totally impotent in dealing with the clear and systematic abuse in the breed. Now those chickens have come home to roost.

G.

Mornin Roy. Here finally is the names of the newly formed TWHSO. No wonder they were keeping it so quiet. I still cant find an official website for them.

http://www.chattanoogan.com/2012/6/30/229367/Roy-Exum-What-Happened-To-Horse-Sense.aspx

Roy Exum: What Happened To Horse Sense?
Saturday, June 30, 2012 - by Roy Exum

Roy Exum A smoke-and-mirrors show that is being touted as “The Tennessee Walking Horses of Today Equine Conference” is being held this weekend in Murfreesboro and the most noticeable absence at the Embassy Suites Convention center will be what is commonly called “horse sense.” Everybody there is praying it will be one of the most glorious celebrations of the embattled Tennessee Walking Horse industry ever – Lord knows it needs it – but until the estimated 500,000 owners of registered Tennessee Walkers join hearts with the half-million YouTube viewers who have now watched the sadistic undercover tape of sheer depravity obtained by the Humane Society, the Tennessee Walking Horse industry, as we know it, is crying harder than the whimpering horse that you saw get whipped with that electric cattle prod.

What’s that you say? Just Tuesday Frank Eichler wrote an impassioned opinion piece in the Nashville Tennessee begging for public understanding. It touted a new group – the Tennessee Walking Show Horse Organization – and Frank promised “all four performance-horse industries have expressed an initial willingness to support the protocol” to end soring and abuse.

Please, I’ve never seen a stall that needed to be cleaned out any worse in my life. For starters, TWSHO was just founded last month and – already – a husband of one of the initial seven board members has filed a suit against the Humane Department of the United States. Talk about quick thinking? And – get this – six of the first seven hand-picked plums now on the new TWSHO podium have been “ticketed” in the past for violations of the federal Horse Protection Act.

That’s not funny, not to the 98 percent of good and wonderful and honest Walking Horse owners who are about to founder on the chronic misdeeds and stumbling antics that now have the Walking Horse reputation too smelly for a barn pitchfork. As Chicken Little would yell, “The sky is falling” because, brother, there’s a bigger mess every day. In Memphis this week the organizers of the prestigious Germantown Charity Show are trying to eliminate Tennessee Walking Horse – the whole breed – after over 40 years of competition. It was learned 27 of 38 exhibitors (or their families) had violated the federal Horse Protection Act but competed last month and some of the horses made spectators want to cry. It was so bad do you know what they call the petition? “No more crippled horses for crippled kids.” That makes me want to weep, too.

Nobody is saying just who exactly picked the new TWSHO board members but they – and their trainers – can easily be traced on USDA websites or www.stopsoring.com. They are Proctor Dean of North Carolina, Terry Dodson of Tennessee, Frank Eichler of Tennessee, Nancy Groover (Winky’s mother) from Texas, Bruce MacDonald of Georgia, Mrs. Lee McGartland of Texas, and Duke Thorson (of NASCAR truck fame) in Ohio.The truth is everybody knows who picked the newest board because the same fingers picked the Tennessee Walking Horse Trainers’ Association, the Tennessee Walking Horse Breeders’ and Exhibitors’ Association, the Walking Horse Owners’ Association and the Tennessee Walking Horse National Celebration, in sponsorship with The Walking Horse Report. Are you kidding me?

You can compare the intertwining and overlapping to either cancer or the Rotary Club but, in fairness, about four or five slick guys in Shelbyville control the whole shebang. Soring horses, making the front hooves take the “Big Step,” has been going on for 50 years and sheer “horse sense” will tell you the organization’s top leadership has finally “looked the other way” too long.

New USDA rules, three huge veterinarian groups, state and federal legislators and – worst of all – “we, the people” – are actively descending on what insiders call “the Shelbyville country club” like the fruit flies on sweet feed. Four industry villains have already pleaded guilty to federal charges and will be sentenced on Sept. 10 and federal investigators are, it is safe to say, still quite active.

The most famous rogue, the notorious Jackie McConnell, has 14 counts of state charges pending and, curiously, his trial in Sessions Court in Fayette County (Somerville) has just been moved back to Sept. 25. By already pleading guilty in Federal Court, those proceedings will be interesting, especially since animal abuse and soring become a felony instead of a misdemeanor in Tennessee this Sunday.

Kathy Zeis, who is the secretary/treasurer of the Foundation for the Advancement and Support of the Tennessee Walking Show Horse, will be something of a celebrity at this weekend’s gala in Murfreesboro after she petitioned the Breeder’s and Exhibitors board to kick off Keith Dane, the head of equine protection of the Humane Society when the famous abuse tape when platinum.

Kathy, of course, withdrew her petition when TWHBEA president Marty Irby identified her and said she was betrayed. But she told the Murfreesboro newspaper this weekend wouldn’t include any discord. “This is about getting to know our people, our trainers, our owners. This is a multi-industry conference,” she said.

Yeah, just one little tea party after another but to the half-million who own Tennessee Walking Horses and the other half million who are now infuriated by the proof that McConnell’s sadistic act was hardly an isolated one, how does it smell that six of seven new TWSHO board members have allegedly violated the federal Horse Protection Act or that Lee McGartland’s husband, Mike, is already taking the U.S. Dept. of Agriculture to court?

Please, lighter on the peanuts and heavier on the horse sense.

royexum@aol.com

Coke??? For real???

[QUOTE=Guilherme;6404579]
You are right . Many will suffer from Celebration boycotts.

But for decades the “clean and sound” folks have deafened others with their silence. Their dollars have facilitated the abuse. They have been totally impotent in dealing with the clear and systematic abuse in the breed. Now those chickens have come home to roost.

G.[/QUOTE]

I agree that “everyone will suffer from the Celebration boycotts” but really the dirty BL people will suffer more because this show has always catered to them anyway.

But as far as the clean and sound people having been silent-- that is far from the truth-- the BL folks with the hegemony they have held for so many decades were able to marginalize ad silence the most outspoken against this abuse, and the rest of the sheeple got the Tennessee Boy’s message.

NOT everyone was silent. But if you spoke up or tried to take any action, you were quickly silenced through implied threats and unfair judging.

It will be interesting to see all of this in ten years time.

NWHA, the ‘sound horse advocates’ with no padded classes… fled TN in my opinion. They no longer have shows in the heart of TWH country. IMO,if the testing and DQP process were truly effective, they could and would hold their shows ‘down here’ where most of the TWHs actually are, catch and suspend the bad guys, and only the sound horses would get through. But (JMO) it is a weak enough process that they feared the bad guys would get past the DQPs and show and win with sore horses. So rather than stay in the cesspool that is middle TN (to quote one of their more outspoken trainers) , they left. The NWHA National was held at Miller Coliseum in Murfreesboro TN for years and years. Now it’s moved…to Ohio LOL.

If all of these HIOs and whatnots implode, and there are no more TWH shows- will NWHA head South, open their arms, and pick up the pieces? They are the sound horse advocates. The horses are down here. Y’all comin’?

We’ll see. But I am not holding my breath LOL.

Can someone please help me follow the money trail at the Celebration? People pay to enter, pay for stalls, people pay admission. The show gives out prizes, etc. What profit is made, and where does most of it go? If the profits go mostly to the Big Yuck, Sore Lick groups, then it makes sense to boycott the whole show. If other sound-horse groups profit, then it makes sense to patronize their classes and try somehow to send a Hell No, I Won’t Go message to the padded classes.

I can’t tell you where the Celebration money specifically goes but the show has a huge impact on the local economy. Shelbyville is a small, nondescript town otherwise. The show also tries to boost youth interest in horses as well as works with local volunteer organizations etc. We are not talking about a show with only a few hundred horses…we are talking facilities with 1500 stalls of which most will be filled and horses will rotate in and out throughout the 11 day show. According to the Celebration just under a quarter million tickets are sold for the show each year.

There are so many divisions besides the padded performance classes there and to cripple the Celebration will have a much farther reach than just on the padded community.

http://tennesseeencyclopedia.net/entry.php?rec=1455

I am so glad to know that so many of you are so perfect…it just heartens me to know that.

Just for the record-not all padded horses are sored. Chains are not evil if if used correctly, and I personally am sick to death of people on here thinking they are so danged perfect and their sport of choice-jumping, racing, etc has no issues ever and they have such perfectly spotless records.

I have made some good friends from here, but I have to come to realize that there are some on here that are just zealots about anything that is not their way, and not people that I would like to continue to associate with. Chocomare, Katarine, Rudy, Cordial (and there are others)…yall are not included in this vent. Yall are fair and try to see both sides. I love yall to pieces.

The ones who are so perfect-go ahead, shut us down…screw up further an economy that is so bad anyway for people that may not have anything to do with soring…people in the towns where these shows are held, the charities they help, the chain of people and businesses on down the line that depend on these shows for a livelihood. Go ahead, and sleep easy…but know this…you’re wrong. 96% of the horses are clean,and that includes padded horses. I am not saying we are perfect, because we are not. There are some bad apples in our industry, and they are being weeded out thru the proper channels (courts etc). I am just sick of the whole division being painted with the same brush as those who deserve it.

Sweep your own doorstep before you sweep ours, especially when you don’t know which end of the broom to hold.

If 96% of padded horses are clean, then why do all but a tiny handful of ̶p̶a̶d̶d̶e̶d̶ stacked horse exhibitors scurry like cockroaches the second the USDA shows up at a show? If you (the ̶p̶a̶d̶d̶e̶d̶ stacked faction of TWH exhibitors) want to prove there is nothing to hide then why do the undeniable vast majority refuse to have their horses inspected by the USDA?

If 96% of ̶p̶a̶d̶d̶e̶d̶ stacked horses are not sored and the industry is not covering anything up, then why the discrepancies between the number of violations given out by DQPs and USDA inspectors?

And finally how can you, in all seriousness, chemicals and pressure shoeing and soring and stewarding aside, argue that turning this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YGunV1zHqM
into this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwrel&NR=1&v=mizTT4ZSf1Q
does no harm to the horse?

The squatting, the hyperflexion of the front legs, the sheer size and weight of those STACKS of pads?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9F5_Lpc1Pb8/Sh61t_7OF1I/AAAAAAAAAno/HYz7xIPWBgg/s400/walking%2Bhorse.jpg

I am sorry, but anyone that thinks the artificial, contrived, man-made big lick gait causes the horse no pain or long-term damage is off their rocker.

can you post your HPA clean record,

can you explain how AAEP and the American Veterriarians assoc.are not in favor of this practice.and call for and end to it, they stand with the USDA.its not one VET its an Assoc.its not just one Equine Practitioner its the ASSOC.

the American Farrier journal states that STACKS and Packages, are abuses and unethical.

please explain how this is JUST to the animal that you are doing it too.

how clear you make the case of it bein all about the MONEY,you called it the livelyhood of towns in america. another blow to the economy. if this is the means on which these towns make their LIVELYHOOD than SHAME on them.
JMO

[QUOTE=GaitedGloryRider;6405088]
If 96% of padded horses are clean, then why do all but a tiny handful of ̶p̶a̶d̶d̶e̶d̶ stacked horse exhibitors scurry like cockroaches the second the USDA shows up at a show? If you (the ̶p̶a̶d̶d̶e̶d̶ stacked faction of TWH exhibitors) want to prove there is nothing to hide then why do the undeniable vast majority refuse to have their horses inspected by the USDA?

If 96% of ̶p̶a̶d̶d̶e̶d̶ stacked horses are not sored and the industry is not covering anything up, then why the discrepancies between the number of violations given out by DQPs and USDA inspectors?

And finally how can you, in all seriousness, chemicals and pressure shoeing and soring and stewarding aside, argue that turning this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YGunV1zHqM
into this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwrel&NR=1&v=mizTT4ZSf1Q
does no harm to the horse?

The squatting, the hyperflexion of the front legs, the sheer size and weight of those STACKS of pads?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9F5_Lpc1Pb8/Sh61t_7OF1I/AAAAAAAAAno/HYz7xIPWBgg/s400/walking%2Bhorse.jpg

I am sorry, but anyone that thinks the artificial, contrived, man-made big lick gait causes the horse no pain or long-term damage is off their rocker.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, the scurrying away like cockroaches when the light is turned on, makes me think the 96% aren’t as squeaky clean as Gnalli suggests…

In some of these same places, 150 years ago, it was argued that the economy and livelihood of the people depended on the torture and misery of beings considered expendable because they were not human.

I dont buy for one minute that BL has to continue because people depend on it economically. In the first place, if BL were to end, the classes at Celebration would be flooded with flatshods and versatility horses. People who had left showing at that venue would return. And even if it did hit the economy the first year i think the next year would boom. People lose jobs and businesses all the time. They can choose to relocate, change careers and get help from family and churches. But the horses who have performed to make a nice economy for Shelbyville dont get the help or the choice to do something else, do they? After decades or worsening abuse it is time to do something for the horses. What still just eludes me is that anyone can look at the BL movement and thinks its just jim dandy to ask a horse to move like that. Sored or not (right) its just ugly and painful to watch.

[QUOTE=WalkInTheWoods;6405353]
I dont buy for one minute that BL has to continue because people depend on it economically. In the first place, if BL were to end, the classes at Celebration would be flooded with flatshods and versatility horses. People who had left showing at that venue would return. And even if it did hit the economy the first year i think the next year would boom. People lose jobs and businesses all the time. They can choose to relocate, change careers and get help from family and churches. But the horses who have performed to make a nice economy for Shelbyville dont get the help or the choice to do something else, do they? After decades or worsening abuse it is time to do something for the horses. What still just eludes me is that anyone can look at the BL movement and thinks its just jim dandy to ask a horse to move like that. Sored or not (right) its just ugly and painful to watch.[/QUOTE]

Well said. Money does not right a wrong.

BULL HOCKEY.

Just what statistics might you have that all padded horses are not sore? You have no record here. Who did the record keeping, hmmm? The celebration? Did you do a test and ask the horses of their pain.

Have you personally WORN chains on your legs? How could chains ever be used correctly? I know. Never. This practice should NEVER be going on. EVER. You do not know. There is no way for YOU to feel anything of what that horse feels. Lame horses are the end result, that shows they are in pain. The abuse those horse put up with? The end result shows when new owner handles the horse. Ahh, but no pain no gain in your personal bank account. Chains for everybody!

Well you are just sick to death but think pads and chains are ok?

The TWH breed does NOT need these artificial devices to gait. The horse was bred to gait and on trails, not be a circus freak.