Tennessee Walking Horse Soring Issue *Update post 1*

Yes, there are fireworks tonight at Harlinsdale Park. Thank you for making my point. Harlinsdale, the historic TWH farm, hasn’t had a horse on it in about a decade. The decade before that it was a breeding operation with fencing in sore need of repair and painting and a barn that even from the road looked run down. It’s hey days are well in the past.

I have lived here for 45 years and have ridden horses here for most of that. What I object to so much on this thread is posters making grand statements about the area and its residents that are either patently false or just plain uninformed and stupid. This would include a poster who said Middle TN had no industry. :rolleye: If you want to influence the people here an accurate description of the area and the people would certainly be helpful. And it might be just a little bit smart if you stopped insulting the same people whose help you want.

Let me tell you a little about Franklin. If you visited it in 1960 the population of Williamson Co–of which Franklin is the county seat–was 25,000 people. It was considered a rural county with strong ties to agriculture and all kinds of animal husbandry. Today it is right about 190,000 people and the home of the international headquarters for many NYSE listed companies including Nissan. It is one of the wealthiest counties not only in the state but in the country. The average resident is well employed, informed and educated. If a Franklin resident sees a live horse it’s not going to be a TWH. The vast majority of those 190k people don’t know the first thing about horses other than that the Iroquois Steeplechase is THE traditional Rite of Spring. In the last 10 years if the TWH has appeared in the paper or on the TV news the picture has not been positive.

When you drive in and around Franklin if you aren’t driving through some planned community development–or around the retail area that includes a mall with more than a million sq. ft of retail space–you are driving past beautiful horse farms with black four board fencing, lovely pastures, tidy barns and big houses. Those bucolic scenes don’t include walking horses. On the rare occasion you see that distinctive black plywood walking horse shape nailed to a barn that barn needs painting along with the crappy fencing and unkempt pasture (since they don’t turnout there doesn’t seemed to be much concern about pasture quality.) While you might not like the description “low rent” you have to look at it within its surroundings–surroundings that many of you are obviously clueless about.

Yes, there are some Williamson County commissioners (and other officers) that try to play on their historic past. However, at least one commissioner–a horseman whom I’ve talked about the issue with multiple times in the last few years–that has been warning these pro TWH types that the county needs to create distance because the whole industry sooner or later is going to blow up, it’s going to be ugly and they don’t need to be waving that flag. But the important point is that it is about how they look at their history because today TWH has little to nothing to do with Williamson County much less the city of Franklin. Quite frankly the average residence who sees a walking horse on county or city material doesn’t have a clue of its specific breed–it’s just a picture of some random fancy horse in a county that has lots of fancy horses.

I will give you here that there are plenty of THW trail horses and family horses, but quite frankly that isn’t what this thread is about! Nor are these horses making the type of economic impact in Franklin than say hunters are when Brownland Farm alone has 10 top rated shows a year that each bring in hundreds of horses and riders from across the country.

Someone else snidely asked what I’ve done for the issue. So for the record: I’ve had in depth face to face conversations in the last couple months with a Tn State Senator and a powerful State Representative in a leadership position from Middle Tn. I’ve had a brief conversation with another State Rep. I also had multiple long conversations face to face with the odds on favorite for a State Rep seat in Rutherford county and was able to mention the issue in passing to a Commissioner/advisor to Governor Haslam. I’ve been angling to get in front of a US House Rep but haven’t gotten in there yet. So I stick my neck out, expend my personal political capital only to come here and read insulting things about my hometown and myself that aren’t factually correct. That’s really great.

By the way if you’re drinking Pepsi instead of Coke you might want to know that the CEO of Pepsi has repeatedly espoused insulting and anti-American sentiments. Some of it so egregious I find it more offensive than Coke selling at the Celebration.

Bell Canada Communications is boycotting the 100th year anniversary of the Greatest Show on Earth: The Calgary Exhibition and Stampede.

This is due to a letter writing campaign started in the U.S. sponsored by P.E.T.A. and, Bell capitulated.

They are against ALL use of horses and also the chuck wagon races, calf roping, bull dogging, bull riding, bareback and saddlebronc riding etc.

The stampede, after a terrible accident many years ago revamped the chuck wagon races…and year after year after year…they (H.S. and P.E.T.A.( demand more.

One comment was : Why don’t you just look at pretty pictures of the horses in the wild. That…is all you need to know about horses.

This IS becoming a norm. Don’t ever think for a moment that Coke will come back to the fold when the heat is down, the big lick gone and empty stands for the plantation classes.

More and more industries will distance themselves from the total breed. They don’t know BL from Plantation and to be honest…they don’t care. They just do not want negative publicity so they will pull from the TWH…and maybe other breeds along the way.

Bayou…you stated you had been very involved with the TWH and disassociated yourself due to the BL. I remember speaking with the publisher/editor of the Walking Way and she was bemoaning the fact that Plantation owners don’t put their money where their mouth is. She was there as an alternative to the Voice and was putting out a nice pony sized (don’t take offence…that is the name for the paper size) publication. High Gloss cover and she had upgraded from a newprint internal…to no avail.

The issue is serious…get rid of the BL. HOWEVER, you (meaning those who show or are enthusiasts for plantation) are going to be needed by the shows to do some serious sponsorship co-ordination.

Tearing down, while challenging…is easier than the long hall building. Rather than attack sponsors…why not ENCOURAGE them to alter their advertising.

I don’t believe HSUS will actually give anyone the ten thousand dollars…they always find excuses…however it would be ironic if they did give it to someone who put it into show class sponsorship.

Not “supporting”, just pouring drinks and taking $$$ and what else - possibly paying a concession fee to Celebration ?

http://www.chattanoogan.com/2012/7/5/229608/Roy-Exum-Coca-Cola-Is-Horsin-Around.aspx

Horsin-Around.aspxRoy Exum: Coca-Cola Is Horsin’ Around
Thursday, July 05, 2012 - by Roy Exum

Roy Exum There is a verse in the Bible’s book of Proverbs that tells us, “A good name is more desirable than great riches; to be esteemed is better than silver or gold.” For about the last 125 years, or ever since Dr. John Pemberton poured the first glass of what was, at first, a drink of patent medicine at Jacobs’ Pharmacy in Atlanta, a long line of great Southern gentlemen have been keen in their intent on making that belief a virtual cornerstone of the Coca-Cola Company.

Trouble is, the verse in Proverbs you just read is in the 22nd chapter. There is another “biggie,” though not as well known, that comes before – up in the 10th chapter – and while it says much of the same, it makes certain people nervous.

It reads, “The memory of the righteous will be a blessing, but the name of the wicked will rot.”

I want you to think about “rot” as I explain to you that the Coca-Cola Company has just publicly announced it is not sponsoring nor endorsing the Tennessee Walking Horse National Celebration between Aug. 22 and Sept.1 this year. But there is this – the fact that Coca-Cola still has anything at all to do with it has the great majority of those who work for the global company that now operates in over 200 countries so embarrassed and forlorn they hardly know what to do.

You see, just last week the Cola-Cola Bottling Works of Tullahoma, which is a small independent company that hails itself as a long-time supporter of the local community, jumped at the chance to become what is legally called “the beverage provider” of the National Celebration’s main arenas and, in my way of thinking, tore down in a single day much of the great respect it has taken years for Coke to build. Pepsi, which had sponsored the Celebration until scathing proof of sadistic depravity was aired on ABC’s “Nightline” news show in May, immediately and very rightfully bolted the very next day, severing any and all relationships with the Celebration and its leaders. Since then, an avalanche of horrors has beset the Shelbyville-based horse industry and it now appears there are more among the Celebration elite with past and present violations of the federal Horse Protection Act than there are without.

Yet, after almost a half-century of repeated scorn and 40 years that the federal Horse Protection Act has been skillfully dodged, it appears that a healthy 90 percent of the half-million owners of Tennessee Walking Horses have finally had enough of the criminal crowd and, with federal prosecutors and the Humane Society vowing to the American public that animal abuse must end, the industry’s annual show in Shelbyville is almost as popular with clean and honest horsemen as leprosy.

Horse abuse in Tennessee just became a felony. Stiffer federal laws have been promised and prosecutors – with the first guilty pleas since 1970 – are eager to bring such pressure to bear a criminal would rather join the Foreign Legion under an alias rather than now harm an animal, be it livestock or domestic. Now what is sick is the legal jargon. Today’s legal slicks claim that the Coca-Cola Bottling Works of Tullahoma is not sponsoring or endorsing the Tennessee Walking Horse National Celebration, either, but have simply agreed to supply beverages for events like high school commencements, church retreats, Chamber of Commerce meetings, and … you know, 10-day horse shows at the hottest time of the year.

In other words, it’s just a money deal. What we lovingly call “Big Coke” doesn’t have anything to do with the independently-owned Coca-Cola Bottling Works of Tullahoma except when some bookkeeper writes “For Deposit Only” on the back of the checks the Tullahoma owners mail in to headquarters. Please understand, nobody from Coca-Cola wants anything to do with those with guilty pleas that will be sentenced in Federal Court on Sept. 10, or the lawsuit by the Shelbyville crowd angrily filed against the U.S. Department of Agriculture, or the continuing violations of the federal Horse Protection Act by the top trainers in the game. Or goodness only knows whatever is next for “the Country Club Crowd” in Shelbyville. A just-released statement clearly illustrates that all the Coca-Cola crowd wants is the money. You see, it contains this flowery paragraph that reads, “The Coca-Cola Company cares for the welfare of animals and supports the proper treatment of animals. It has a strict animal rights policy in place for all events and attractions featuring animals. The Company’s trademarks must not be used to promote an event or attraction that violates local, state or national laws or is contrary to the Company’s policy and guidelines.”

Then on the exact same piece of paper – so help me this is true – there is another sentence that had to be written by some future Supreme Court justice: “The Coca-Cola Company’s trademarks will not be used to market or promote any events held at the arena.” Are you kidding me! What are they going to call it – soda pop?The whole thing would be ludicrous if it weren’t so blatantly shameful. During my life I’ve had the great pleasure and honor to know and befriend some of the giants of the Coca-Cola Company. Men like Summerfield Johnston, Jack Lupton, J. Frank Harrison, Crawford Johnson and Carl Navarre all knew exactly how – and when – to take a stand like Abraham Lincoln unashamedly wrote about one time.

About 150 years ago President Lincoln stated, “I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody that stands right, and stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong.” Call it what you will – pouring rights, beverage supply agreement, dancing with the devil – I could give a rip. When Pepsi withdrew from the Tennessee Walking Horse National Celebration, it was clearly the right thing to do and championed the ideas and values our country celebrated so fondly just yesterday.

Coca-Cola’s latest statements show its crowd is apparently more into silver and gold.

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As usual, Roy Exum’s columns “hit the spot.”

“New” Harlinsdale Farm just 16 mines from Franklin

“New” Harlinsdale Farm just 16 miles from Franklin (correction for headline b/c I can’t edit it)
I don’t think its hey days are past at all. As Franklin encroached on the historic farm, the family sold it to the City of Franklin in 2005 for $8 million and moved the TWH breeding farm all of SIXTEEN miles away where the Harlins still breed Tennessee Walking Horses, now in College Grove, TN-- 16 miles from Franklin, which is hardly on the other side of the moon and not far from Franklin at all.

And since you seem so obsessed with MONEY and APPEARANCES-- that SALE PRICE was EIGHT MILLION DOLLARS. Hardly “chump change.” Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Harlinsdale-Farm/107112721854#!/pages/Harlinsdale-Farm/107112721854

http://www.t-g.com/story/1116339.html

Let’s get back to working to end the Big Lick and the apparent abuse and corruption in that segment of the TWH world.

I am deeply saddened by the position Coca-Cola has taken. I, too, have had a life-long love affair with Coke. I grew up where Coke was synonymous with soda…everything was a ‘coke.’ The sideways tap dance they are now doing for the money they will gain is disgusting. My money’s going to Pepsi from now on. For those of you who don’t do soda, check the list of coke products, and make sure they get not a dime from you; and at least for the Celebration 10 days, make it a POINT to purchase Pepsi products. Let’s make sure that Pepsi numbers are up and Coke is down for those days.

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I am deeply saddened by the position Coca-Cola has taken. I, too, have had a life-long love affair with Coke. I grew up where Coke was synonymous with soda…everything was a ‘coke.’ The sideways tap dance they are now doing for the money they will gain is disgusting. My money’s going to Pepsi from now on. For those of you who don’t do soda, check the list of coke products, and make sure they get not a dime from you; and at least for the Celebration 10 days, make it a POINT to purchase Pepsi products. Let’s make sure that Pepsi numbers are up and Coke is down for those days.[/QUOTE]

GREAT idea-- Buy Pepsi products during the same days we are boycotting Coke. Thumbs up to that.:yes:

[QUOTE=bayou_bengal;6416784]
As Franklin encroached on the historic farm, the family sold it to the City of Franklin in 2005 for $8 million and moved the TWH breeding farm all of SIXTEEN miles away where the Harlins still breed Tennessee Walking Horses, now in College Grove, TN-- 16 miles from Franklin, which is hardly on the other side of the moon and not far from Franklin at all.[/QUOTE]
Are you even reading what you wrote? Harlinsdale has LEFT Franklin. The size and character of the town was no longer working for them so they have moved! Just like the rest of the industry. College Grove is a town on the far South Eastern edge of Williamson Co less than a mile or so from the county line. Interestingly not only is College Grove 16 miles away from Franklin it is also 16 miles CLOSER to Shelybville.

While I’m sure you would love for me to move on, let me explain why this particular discussion is so important. BL walking horses will end only when and if the communities that support it change. For a variety of reasons that change is happening, but you will miss this opportunity if you keep trying to pedal your information geared toward a demographic that doesn’t exist in the size and manner it has in the past. If you fight this fight not realizing the demograpic changes of both your enemies and friends you will lose.

So again, please stop spreading misinformation about communities in Middle TN.

Communities do change. Thanks for filling us in on what is now the landscape in Franklin. And thank you for talking to people in power who can have a part in changing things.

[QUOTE=subk;6417002]
Are you even reading what you wrote? Harlinsdale has LEFT Franklin. The size and character of the town was no longer working for them so they have moved! Just like the rest of the industry. College Grove is a town on the far South Eastern edge of Williamson Co less than a mile or so from the county line.

While I’m sure you would love for me to move on, let me explain why this particular discussion is so important. BL walking horses will end only when and if the communities that support it change. For a variety of reasons that change is happening, but you will miss this opportunity if you keep trying to pedal your information geared toward a demographic that doesn’t exist in the size and manner it has in the past. If you fight this fight not realizing the demograpic changes of both your enemies and friends you will lose.

So again, please stop spreading misinformation about communities in Middle TN.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for making the contacts you have claimed to have made. BUT

Quit trying to side track this thread. It doesn’t MATTER that much if Harlinsdale is smack in the middle of Franklin or just 16 miles down the road.

The FACTS are that the Tennessee Walking Horse breed and supporting industry is much more involved and important to the whole area of Middle Tennessee — including the Franklin area–than apparently YOU want to admit.

If YOU are more interested in trying to prove that the TWH is no longer important to Franklin and its environs than in helping contribute positively to the topic at hand on this thread, then please go start a thread of your own on a topic of your choice. And that goes for your other friends who keep trying to side track the discussion on this thread-- a thread about “The Tennessee Walking Horse Soring Issue.”

Enough squabbling. Was it not subk who was having a gathering and wanted to get accurate information to present to them about the soring issue ?

Enough Chamber of Commerce analysis. Lets keep this thread informative and motivated.

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The FACTS are that the Tennessee Walking Horse breed and supporting industry is much more involved and important to the whole area of Middle Tennessee — including the Franklin area–than apparently YOU want to admit.[/QUOTE]
So, I’ve actually given you facts as to why it is not as you imagined around here, you’ve given us accedotes that support my position, and I’m the one that is delusional?

That you are not interested in timely, real, local knowledge AND think that input is unimportant to the discussion is just mind blowing.

Please, you two are both against soring. Lets call a truce okay ?

“The Tennessee Walking Horse industry provides a very significant economic impact and much recognition for our state,” says Dr. Alan Mathew, head of the Department of Animal Science at the UT-Knoxville.

“The top five equine breeds in Tennessee are the Tennessee Walker, Quarter Horse, Donkey, Mule and Spotted Saddle.” Report published by Department of Agricultural Economics at UT- Knoxville.

“The breed and its associated shows, especially the premier Tennessee Walking Horse National Celebration in Shelbyville, dominate the horse world of Middle Tennessee. The annual event draws more than 2,000 horse entries and an estimated $50 million in economic impact to the area, according to a recent study.”—Times Free Press

“In 1939, the first Tennessee Walking Horse National Celebration took place in Shelbyville, Tenn., and it remains today the breeder’s largest showcase and its world championship show. In terms of entries and spectators, the 11-day event is considered the largest such show in the world, drawing 250,000 spectators and more than 3,000 horses annually. The Tennessee Walking Horse became an officially recognized breed by the U.S. Department of Agriculture in 1950.” --Equine Post

“Spacious horse farms like Harlinsdale and Brownland farms and backyard pet horses stabled on one-acre lots, generates a $30 million dollar equine industry in Williamson County.” – Horse Happenings, an equestrian lifestyle magazine

My note-- Notice that Harlinsdale is mentioned right there along with Brownlands-- which dates from the 1960s and is much more a late-comer to Williamson County than Harlinsdale – by about 30 years. And I would note that Harlinsdale is not the ONLY TWH farm in Williamson County, only the most famous.

In fact NONE of the photos of Harlinsdale on any of the websites I found remotely look like subk’s description. Here’s a weblink about Harlinsdale-- Again hardly sounds like the same farm subk described. http://tennesseeencyclopedia.net/entry.php?rec=602

So boycott Tennessee.

Remember a few yrs back in Owingsville KY when the expected # of 400+ exhibitors turned into 40 when the USDA showed up to inspect ?

This year’s Owingsville 3 day show July2-4 offered 61 classes but only had 30 entrants in ten classes! Lets hear it for the Country and Plantation Pleasure horses ! Looks like Kentucky has gotten the message loud and clear. Hopefully people will spend the next year getting horses ready for these same sorts of classes so the show can be better attended. Where ya gonna show now, big lick trainers ?

3 Yearlings
2 Weanlings
6 Trail Pleasure
10 Country Pleasure
2 Planatation Pleasure
1 Amateur 3 Year Old
1 Park Performance
3 Amateur Speciality
1 Amateur 4 Year Old
1 Youth 11 & Under

30 Horses total

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So boycott Tennessee.[/QUOTE]
Now that’s a brilliant idea! The closest big industry to Shelbyville is Jack Daniels, just a few miles down the road. If you have the support you’d need to put a dent in Uncle Jack you’d’ve put all the Big Lickers out to pasture ages ago.

Does anyone here have a lick of sense when it comes to PR?

I am still trying to locate 1/2 million TWH owners quoted earlier. The registration body doesn’t support that number and neither does the department of agriculture.

“Spacious horse farms like Harlinsdale and Brownland farms and backyard pet horses stabled on one-acre lots, generates a $30 million dollar equine industry in Williamson County.” – Horse Happenings, an equestrian lifestyle magazine

It does not state the horses on these exclusive one acre plots are TWH’s. They very well could be hunter/jumpers…dressage warmbloods

The 11 day event is the largest (and they should have clarrified) for TWH’s NOT for horse expositions.

Spruce Meadows is the largest attended show in the world and it has, on Sundays, around the 300,000 mark for the jumping competitions with international riders.

Equitana is the largest number of horses attending a show and that is in Germany

All of this, and the commerce is part of the TWH BL culture and it does need to be explained as there will be an impact.

Chukkers for Charity and other polo events, which feature at least a dozen of the best polo teams in the country and the 10 annual Grand Prix events at Brownland Farms together generate more than $22.8 million dollars for local businesses.

This is from your same article and it also goes on to mention so many other breeds.

“At the Ag Center, weekend roping, cutting horse, rodeo or barrel racing events bring in about than $5 million,”

These are just other examples of high impact horse activities in Tennessee. And, especially in that county. Doing the Boycott Dance may just drive sponsors from all of the shows…I don’t think that will endear your cause to other equestrian groups.

It is interesting to discover so much about Tenn. That also helps explain the how and why of soring. And, why it is hard to eliminate. The celebration, I have been told is more than just BL’ers so my question is…is it an agricultural show? trucy ralley? I can’t see all those attending only going to watch BL or plantation horses doing the circle …

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Remember a few yrs back in Owingsville KY when the expected # of 400+ exhibitors turned into 40 when the USDA showed up to inspect ?

This year’s Owingsville 3 day show July2-4 offered 61 classes but only had 30 entrants in ten classes! Lets hear it for the Country and Plantation Pleasure horses ! Looks like Kentucky has gotten the message loud and clear. Hopefully people will spend the next year getting horses ready for these same sorts of classes so the show can be better attended. Where ya gonna show now, big lick trainers ?

3 Yearlings
2 Weanlings
6 Trail Pleasure
10 Country Pleasure
2 Planatation Pleasure
1 Amateur 3 Year Old
1 Park Performance
3 Amateur Speciality
1 Amateur 4 Year Old
1 Youth 11 & Under

30 Horses total[/QUOTE]

Proves my point. Either there are going to be BIG plantation numbers to capture the audience attendance OR BIG money for the classes to get the entries…or the shows will just become little local community shows…and the spectators will go to reining shows, barrel racing etc.