Terms again---please look over my list

[Cartfall]

I finally got my list of terms done (procrastination set in!!!)

Understand these are a generalized list for the distance rider’s association that the Competitive Trail Drives come under. The web master for them asked me to create a general list of terms for the uneducated.

I found a picture of a harnessed horse with all of the terms for each part. I will be sending that along with this list of terms.

I had one moment of no idea–and that is down in an 6-up, what the middle horses are called. I know leaders and wheelers,

I am open to suggestions and constructive criticism. Feel free to add some words or terms.

Thanks

Here it is----

Driver or Whip-the person controlling the reins, whip and horse.

Groom—the person capable of assisting in the event of difficulties
Header—a person, usually a groom, who stands at the head of the horse to safely help control the horse during stops, putting to, or taken off the vehicle.
Junior drivers by class
Junior A a driver under the age of 11
Junior B a driver between 11 and 13 years of age, inclusive
Junior C a driver between 14 and 17, inclusive

Horse- an equine over 14.2 hands
Pony-any equine under 14.2 hands
VSE-very small equine under 39 inches.

Turnout- the entire package of driver in the vehicle which is attached to the horse
Putting to-the act of harnessing the horse to the vehicle, as in putting the horse to the cart.
Vehicle-a general term for any cart or carriage or wagon
Cart—generally and most always refers to a 2 wheeled vehicle
Carriage- generally and most always refers to a 4 wheeled vehicle, generally a nicer or purpose vehicle—a doctor’s buggy or a vis-à-vis carriage (seen in many cities or towns) or marathon carriage.
Coaches-vehicles bigger and heavier than carriages, usually pulled by multiple horses

Single—a single equine
Pair or team–two horses side by side
Tandem-two horses one behind the other with really on the latter pulling the vehicle.
Random-3 horses one behind the other similar to a tandem
4 in Hand or 4 up –two pair one behind the other.
Unicorn-A single out front of a pair
6 up-3 pairs , the wheelers in the back, the leaders in the front and ??? in the middle, generally draft horses.

[Ashemont]

@Cartfall;3070179

Horse- an equine over 14.2 hands
Pony-any equine under 14.2 hands

So what if it’s just 14.2?? I think Pony should be any equine 14.2 and under

Good list!

[Thomas_1]

If this is for a forum, then its important to emphasise that your terms are ONLY valid in the USA. Mustn’t forget the internet is global and in some places we speak English

[RidesAHaflinger]

Sue, I believe the horses in the middle of a 6-up are called the “swing” horses. Might want to double-check that with someone who drives multiples, though. I agree with Pat that ‘ponies’ are 14.2 and under. You might want to look up the cm eqivalents for more precision. Looks like a good, informative list.

Karen

[Thomas_1]

The definition of pony and horse being defined not just by the height criteria. Its defined also by its breed and conformation type. At birth a pony has the same proportions as an adult. It is not a long legged animal with higher hindquarters than forehand, as are the foals of horses relative to their size. And particularly ponies have short cannon bones.

So whilst the height criteria for a pony is often considered as just under 14.2 hands, a connemara, welsh section D or norwegian fjord that is over 14.2 is still ALWAYS a pony.

Likewise a pure bred Arab that might be just under 14.2 is always a horse because its a horse breed.

[Cartfall]

Remember folks, these are just a really generalized list for non-drivers. They want to understand the driver’s lingo. In the distance riding there is no division in size of equine. In their mind–who would want to ride a pony? An equine is a horse no matter the size, so I am not going to worrry too much about that 1 inch.

AS these are American distance riders, we will keep it American English.

In different associations and different tyoe events, a pony can be under 14.3 hands as in CDE or 14.2 and under as in ADS Pleasure or size does not matter as it might be a breed as Thomas said.

Appreciate al of your help.

[HackneyHorseDriver]

Six Up - Wheelers, Swing, and Leaders.

Nice list.

[mares_tails]

@Cartfall;3070179

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Random-3 horses one behind the other similar to a tandem

Randem

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[Drive_NJ]

Sue
This is for your Distance Driving volunteers and such right? Probably best to limit what you are giving them to what they will be dealing with in your sport. We have so many terms for the same thing depending on what you are doing and :yes: your country of origin.

Even the harness, you have the winkers/blinkers and reins/lines. Parts of the cart you have the singletree/swingletree etc. By the way, you might want to show a basic vehicle they are likely to see and give them some part names, so they will know what you mean when you tell them to watch out for the shafts when you are trying to get TPRs

So for height, explanations can get convoluted as Thomas says and they won’t care what’s a horse or pony except as it pertains to your sport. Just tell them how Distance driving defines horse/pony. As Thomas said, by breed thinking Arabs and Morgans are always horses and Connemaras and Welsh Cobs always ponies. By various sport rules a 13 h Morgan is a pony and a 15 h Connemara is a horse.

If that’s the Junior division and something they need to know to deal with, great, if its the ADS definition of Junior and doesn’t affect what you do in Distance, change it to that.

Same with vehicles… I’d define Cart / Carriage / Vehicle, but leave off the Vis-a-Vis and Coach as you aren’t apt to see them in distance driving (although coaching runs could be thought of as distance driving :))

While normally, I’d also limit the definition of single, pair, etc to just those as the most likely to compete in your sport, with Dick and Bob Giles down there, you just might see a randem coming down the trail so…

Thomas - its not just English vs “American”… I still have burned in my brain the picture of a corporate public relations type explaining to a NY film-maker working on a CDE documentary at Gladstone in the early 80s - "you have the onsies, the twosies and… "

The other question we hear a lot volunteering at events - What IS that brrrrrr sound people are making? Might want to include that explanation

[Ashemont]

[QUOTE=Drive NJ;3071222]

The other question we hear a lot volunteering at events - What IS that brrrrrr sound people are making? Might want to include that explanation[/QUOTE]

Obviously they don’t do dressage… :lol:

[Thomas_1]

@Drive NJ;3071222

Thomas - its not just English vs “American”… I still have burned in my brain the picture of a corporate public relations type explaining to a NY film-maker working on a CDE documentary at Gladstone in the early 80s - "you have the onsies, the twosies and… "

I was just teasing when I said that

However I’ve got to say that you need to think about what you’re trying to achieve.

Are you trying to teach people some basics about driving?

Or are you trying to give them some facts and information so they’ll get by on the day?

If the former, then in my mind you teach them “correctly” from the start. That means if something is indeed complicated that you give a simple explanation. Could get embarrassing if you go on to have a real interest in driving and come out with “I’m going to harness my onesy horsey to the sticky bary thingy at the front of the carty”

So I’d say that no matter what if you just say "You can drive horses in a variety of combinations from singles, to as many as you like and in this event you’ll likely see:

one horse - singles
two horses side by side - pairs
two horses one in front of the other - randems

etc. I’m thinking the chances of seeing a team of 6 horses is pretty unlikely and no-one’s going to need to know or want to know from the onset of experience to the sport, that the middle horses are the swing pair.

If you don’t start out with the correct definitions and explanations, then before you know where you are there’s an erosion or corruption of the knowledge base and before you know where you are information is passed on and on that’s incorrect, or misheard or misunderstood and the likes of a Kimblewick bit - named after the village of Kimblewick becomes Kimberwick or a Swingle tree (again called that for centuries) becomes a Singletree.

Note that Swingletree/Singletree can also be known as a Whiffle-tree/ Whipple-tree.

[Cartfall]

Some great suggesitons and corrections.

This list needs to be the most basic as we can make it. I threw the terms on different multiples arrangements mostly in for fun. I need to add gator I think and could drop some vehicle stuff.

Thomas I agree with you on teaching correctly from the begining. I am an educator and know well that if the foundation is laid incorrectly it is very difficult to fix it. I could probably get by with reins, harness, cart and horse. Header/groom is coming into the rules as is passenger. The rules of this Competitive Trail Riding basically say that the rider is the only person who can take care of his horse. There is even a rule that says the only time someone else may hold the horse is when the rider needs a poddy break. With a driver, that becomes rather difficult when trying to hold the horse, sponge him off at water stops etc. So we have to have a header. There is a safety issue as there is a great amount of coming and going at these water stops and the horses get a bit excited when other leave.

Then there is the issue of carrying a passenger–just what can and can;t a passenger do as far as helping with thehorse other than head it. So enters the need for the term groom vs passenger.

So we are trying to create a list of words that non-drivers can understand --the most basic list of word. Will these people ever learn to drive–a few yes. They will educate themselves as to what is correct. One thing I have found, drivers generally are very accepting of newbies and direct them to the correct terms gentlely.

[tiggger]

[QUOTE=Thomas_1;3070357]

So whilst the height criteria for a pony is often considered as just under 14.2 hands, a connemara, welsh section D or norwegian fjord that is over 14.2 is still ALWAYS a pony. [/QUOTE]

Although most people in US consider them a pony because of their height and stature… according to the Norwegian Fjord Registry, a fjord is considered a Horse, not a pony. this is because in Norway there is no word for pony. so while most fjords fit the height criteria for a pony, it is actually considered a horse.