Terranova-Lauren Nicholson what happened?

The issue is it’s so discrete nobody knows what happened unless they were there and none of those people are talking.

So we know that SOMETHING happened that was big enough a rider vague posted, but was secret enough we don’t know WHAT happened.

So what good does it do to allude to vague things? Why not just keep it hush hush between the upper levels?

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It looks like the post was deleted on Insta (or at least I couldn’t see it) but is still up on FB:

ETA: the link I posted was several years old, my bad.

If anyone can copy/paste the current comment, that would be great.

The setup of the Instagram post is honestly confusing because Lauren’s statement is in the image carousel, not the caption or comments. It took me wayyy too long to figure that out even as an IG addict.

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The link in post number two on this thread still works. Or at least it did for me five seconds ago.

Then you just have to scroll through the images to see her comments, as noted above.

This has nothing to do with the actual discussion at hand, but I’m just going to toss in the screenshot I took the other day of Philip Dutton on Denim on Sunday morning.

Look at the size of that honking big tree!

There are several jumps on that course that look like they just saved some of the trees they pulled up when they were clearing the space and then turned them into cross country obstacles. Including a few by the water complex next to one of the rings. Holy cow.

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I am not on Instagram so I did not realize how it works.

Is this the post (or series of posts) that everyone is talking about?

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There’s one that size at Kentucky! It’s nice to see a tree that old get a second life.

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Thank you. It’s weird, I still can’t see it.

This is what I see on Insta:

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It is weird.
I agree.

Do you see this arrow?
It is very light so gets lost in the photo.

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Did anyone else on here see a comment (on here) about riding with a neck rope?
Like “just because you can ride with a neck rope doesn’t mean ….” And I can’t remember the rest. It seemed to allude to who this was about. Now I can’t find it.
But I thought that was interesting.

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Thank you. That was what I was missing.

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That’s odd - that would make me think Elisa Wallace maybe? But she commented on Lauren’s post seeming to support her?

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I saw that also. And the post was here yesterday and not today. :woman_shrugging:

I just messaged the poster of the neck rope comment last night as it inferred to a rider that the post wasn’t about.

That wasn’t Elisa who commented, that was her dad Rick Wallace.

You’re right, I missed that. Regardless though, seemed to be in support of Lauren’s post.

Sounds like it wasn’t her anyways though, thankfully - I’ve always been a fan of hers.

It was my comment and I deleted it because i 1) assumed incorrectly and 2) was wrong to assume in the first place. My comment was knee jerk and in poor taste so I chose to remove it entirely.

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What is accomplished by posting something so vague that it cannot possibly spark any change? Just venting? That seems better done to one’s actual friends/family/diary rather than on social media. I just don’t understand the motivation here. Something happened and she wants the world to know THAT but not WHAT. What is the point?

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Things like this sort of vague-booking are why I really don’t like listening to podcasts/interviews with high level riders. Everyone waxes poetic about how much they love their horses and how horse welfare is their top priority, but little snippets of reality leak out and cast doubt on everyone because they name no one. The Ride IQ podcast had an interview with Sally Spickard about new EN podcast and she talked about the Andrew McConnon abuse videos and how tricky it was to write about it after she cheered for him at events and had written positively about him in the past. I really appreciated her honesty and candor. But those of us who don’t travel in the high level circles have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. And if even the people who are on site and paid to report on this don’t seem to know what some of these riders are like behind the scenes, what hope does someone who lives in an eventing no-man’s land of knowing what this could be referencing?

So while I’m sure there are riders who practice the best horsemanship, when everyone who gets softball-interviewed by EN or COTH or H&H and/or gets puff pieces written about them, how are we supposed to know who’s lying? McConnon never talked about his training technique of punching/slapping horses in the face in any of his interviews. Andreas Helgstrand has never discussed which brand of shoe polish is best for covering up spur wounds with a reporter. Which leaves the listener wondering what details are being left out, and casts a shadow of doubt over the whole enterprise.

Maybe I’m cynical, but more and more, listening to/reading interviews with high level riders is leaving more and more of a proverbial sour taste in my mouth.

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I think the point is that she wants change in protecting horse welfare, and seems also maybe better educating the officials on the rules? The way I’m reading it, it seems that multiple issues arose and I’m not sure they were even related?

I might be the only one thinking this, but to me her post came off as kind of snarky-but I do get that she is frustrated with how things are going.

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