Thanks. Is there an inverse correlation between Vitamin E uptake and oil in diet that you know of?
A post asked for bad information on vegetable oil and did not mention horses.
Source for people. My stepfather, in his 20s, was walking along the road when suddenly he could not see. He was near a hospital and went in. The doctors were standing around him oohing and aahhing When a young Doctor came in and said, "For god sake get him into surgery immediately or he will be blind for life.?
This doctor was called Dr Reiner and the retina had fallen off the back of the eye, he managed to reattach it. My stepfather was told that it had been repaired, that it could last 2 days or 20 years but if it fell off again it could not be reattached again.
Fast forward 50 years or so and my stepfather started to not be able to see out of that eye again. Because of what he had been told he did not do anything about it. My mother tracked down the same doctor, he was now the best known eye doctor in Australia.
It turns out that my stepfather, this time only had a cataract. While in the waiting room a lady was crying, Mum went over to console her. The lady was crying because she had been told that she was going blind and there was nothing they could do about it.
My stepfather was called into the office. Mum went with him and said I think you should go and speak to this lady, somebody has told her that she is going blind and that nobody can help her. Dr Doctor Reiner replied that this was unfortunately true - the lady had macular degeneration and there was nothing he could do to stop the blindness.
In his career he had never seen a case of it until fairly recently and now it was getting so prolific that they had done a lot of research into finding out what was causing it and they had finally found a cause. The cause is vegetable oil especially canola oil and margarine. Olive oil is okay and does not cause this.
I figure that mammals have pretty similar eyes.
Rules for eyes.
Do not scratch
Donât put in any ointments, potions or lotions that are meant for another part of the body in the eye.
Dont insert anything smaller than your elbow!
Donât eat vegetable oil. Not as easy as you think, just look at the ingredients for bread.
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It IS a guessing game because we have absolutely no idea what you were told or in what context, and youâre asking us to take random stabs in the dark as to why someone might think oil is bad. I have heard some of the weirdest off the wall things about why X is good or will kill you, would not have randomly guessed someone would say that as a reason why not, or why to, feed something.
So yeah, weâre randomly guessing, and all we CAN do is give some of the valid reasons someone might think all oil is bad (I dunno, maybe they think all are high in Omega 6?) or throw out some of the myths we have heard associated with feeding oil.
The ONLY reason I have heard in my circles about why oil in general is out of fashion is because of the mess, but youâve said thatâs not the issue. Iâve never heard anyone give any actual reason for saying oil isnât beneficial. It may not be beneficial, and may be detrimental, in certain contexts, but who wants to start throwing all those reasons out there?
edit 2: Current knowledge of omega 3/6 ratios isnât a reason to not feed oil. That concern is easily addressable.
It is something else. Thanks.
Then tell us what your âtrusted sourceâ said.
I raise an eyebrow a bit at someone who says all liquid is bad, but doesnât have a problem with dried oil. If they âheardâ that Cool Calories was fine, they clearly donât know what CC is, didnât bother to look it up, which makes me automatically question anything they say about all this.
If this trusted source is going off of any saturated/unsaturated/polyunsaturated/medium chain/short chain/long chain triglyceride deal and any relation to heart health - horses arenât people. Are they going off the GMO deal? Also nothing proven here. Are they going off the âdirtyâ method of extracting oil? Do they actually know how oils are extracted and cleaned afterwards?
Are they going off of something entirely out in left field that they heard completely out of context and wasnât even related toil?
Do you see how this really IS a guessing game?
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It IS a guessing game because we have absolutely no idea what you were told or in what context, and youâre asking us to take random stabs in the dark as to why someone might think oil is bad. I have heard some of the weirdest off the wall things about why X is good or will kill you, would not have randomly guessed someone would say that as a reason why not, or why to, feed something.
So yeah, weâre randomly guessing, and all we CAN do is give some of the valid reasons someone might think all oil is bad (I dunno, maybe they think all are high in Omega 6?) or throw out some of the myths we have heard associated with feeding oil.
The ONLY reason I have heard in my circles about why oil in general is out of fashion is because of the mess, but youâve said thatâs not the issue. Iâve never heard anyone give any actual reason for saying oil isnât beneficial. It may not be beneficial, and may be detrimental, in certain contexts, but who wants to start throwing all those reasons out there?
edit 2: Current knowledge of omega 3/6 ratios isnât a reason to not feed oil. That concern is easily addressable.
It is something else. Thanks.
Then tell us what your âtrusted sourceâ said.
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People telling you the literal reason (omegas) theyâve heard countless other horse people say not to feed vegetable oil are actually just playing a guessing game? 
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I raise an eyebrow a bit at someone who says all liquid is bad, but doesnât have a problem with dried oil. If they âheardâ that Cool Calories was fine, they clearly donât know what CC is, didnât bother to look it up, which makes me automatically question anything they say about all this.
If this trusted source is going off of any saturated/unsaturated/polyunsaturated/medium chain/short chain/long chain triglyceride deal and any relation to heart health - horses arenât people. Are they going off the GMO deal? Also nothing proven here. Are they going off the âdirtyâ method of extracting oil? Do they actually know how oils are extracted and cleaned afterwards?
Are they going off of something entirely out in left field that they heard completely out of context and wasnât even related toil?
Do you see how this really IS a guessing game?
I raise an eyebrow a bit at someone who says all liquid is bad, but doesnât have a problem with dried oil. If they âheardâ that Cool Calories was fine, they clearly donât know what CC is, didnât bother to look it up, which makes me automatically question anything they say about all this.
If this trusted source is going off of any saturated/unsaturated/polyunsaturated/medium chain/short chain/long chain triglyceride deal and any relation to heart health - horses arenât people. Are they going off the GMO deal? Also nothing proven here. Are they going off the âdirtyâ method of extracting oil? Do they actually know how oils are extracted and cleaned afterwards?
Are they going off of something entirely out in left field that they heard completely out of context and wasnât even related toil?
Do you see how this really IS a guessing game?
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If they âheardâ that Cool Calories was fine, they clearly donât know what CC is, didnât bother to look it up, which makes me automatically question anything they say about all this.
If this trusted source is going off of any part of oil in any relation to heart health - horses arenât people. Are they going off the GMO deal? Also nothing proven here. Are they going off the âdirtyâ method of extracting oil? Do they actually know how oils are extracted and cleaned afterwards?
Are they going off of something entirely out in left field that they heard completely out of context and wasnât even related toil?
Do you see how this really IS a guessing game?
I canât stop anyone treating it as a guessing game.
Nope, it just seems to be you chasing your tail.
Happy circling!!:lol::lol:
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Op had you simply said I heard oil was bad because of x, y and z it wouldnât have been a guessing game. Had you simply asked about saturated vs unsaturated fats benefiting the hind gut you would have gotten an answer sooner.
Iâve heard some wacky things about oil but not anything that involves the benefits to the hind gut. I donât know anyone who feeds oil or another fat supplement for that.
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That was an unrelated question directed at someone who was an expert.
So your original concern about oil isâŠwhat, exactly?
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Itâs a guessing game of course! Vague posting at its finest.
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Whatever they will eat, lol. Ultium, purina amplify, nutrena empower boost, manna pro max e glo are some I have used. A lot of people like renew gold.
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Thanks. Checking those up was informative.
Informative, thanks.
Still interested in whether you are aware of any research involving oil in diet and Vit E uptake.
Or research about fats/oils negatively affecting the hind gut. Esp in the context of comparing saturated vs unsaturated fats.
Black oil sunflower seeds have been just as good for my horses as flax seed. But you do get sunflowers growing in the padture sometimes. ðƞ€£
E uptake? Do you mean the myth that vit E needs fat in order to be absorbed?
No, itâs an incorrect extrapolation from people to horses. Itâs not even about oil. Itâs about fat.
itâs bile that is needed for Vit E absorption. And in people, that release by the gall bladder, where bile is stored, is triggered by the presence of fat. Not oil - fat.
Horses donât have gall bladders. They are trickle feeders, so bile is constantly produced. No fat, let alone oil, needed for E absorption
Or research about fats/oils negatively affecting the hind gut. Esp in the context of comparing saturated vs unsaturated fats.
Iâm curious if youâve done any searching?
Hereâs some good reading on fats and oils
https://thehorse.com/18459/feeding-fâŠst-a-diet-fad/
https://thehorse.com/130729/is-dietaâŠeally-healthy/
And this one
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10659301/
âIn conclusion, no apparent adverse effects of feeding a diet supplemented with either an unsaturated or saturated vegetable oil for 6 months at approximately 20% DE after 10 months at approximately 12% DE were identified and there were no apparent disadvantages of feeding a saturated vegetable oil supplemented diet compared with an unsaturated one.â
Searching with âhorse unsaturated fat pubmedâ brings up lots and lots of studies you can sift through
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E uptake? Do you mean the myth that vit E needs fat in order to be absorbed?
No, itâs an incorrect extrapolation from people to horses. Itâs not even about oil. Itâs about fat.
itâs bile that is needed for Vit E absorption. And in people, that release by the gall bladder, where bile is stored, is triggered by the presence of fat. Not oil - fat.
Horses donât have gall bladders. They are trickle feeders, so bile is constantly produced. No fat, let alone oil, needed for E absorption
Or research about fats/oils negatively affecting the hind gut. Esp in the context of comparing saturated vs unsaturated fats.
Iâm curious if youâve done any searching?
Hereâs some good reading on fats and oils
https://thehorse.com/18459/feeding-fâŠst-a-diet-fad/
https://thehorse.com/130729/is-dietaâŠeally-healthy/
And this one
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10659301/
âIn conclusion, no apparent adverse effects of feeding a diet supplemented with either an unsaturated or saturated vegetable oil for 6 months at approximately 20% DE after 10 months at approximately 12% DE were identified and there were no apparent disadvantages of feeding a saturated vegetable oil supplemented diet compared with an unsaturated one.â
Searching with âhorse unsaturated fat pubmedâ brings up lots and lots of studies you can sift through
