The armed robbery...

[Halt_Near_X]

[QUOTE=Manni01;8813563]
As I said before, obviously everybody wrote things they never really researched correctly. Now some days later somebody did it but why not before??[/QUOTE]

It is more important for the news media to get stories out quickly than accurately.

Timeliness and sensationalism sell.

In addition, the public has a short attention span. They don’t care if a news source puts out six versions of a story while they get it “right.” If anything, the constant corrections help people feel like they are “there,” figuring it out along with the media. They like to watch things unfold, not wait until the story is done, over, and yesterday’s news.

[vineyridge]

If uniformed security guards hold a gun on someone and demand money, why is that not armed robbery? They have no right to the money.

[MHM]

[QUOTE=Anonymoose;8813255]
A sad commentary because the “dopes” managed it? Or because the news sources managed it? Or because we the public have managed it?

Who are the sad ones here? People keep posting about how when you’re drunk you aren’t capable of thinking correctly. So how many of us are sober and are still letting ourselves be under the influence of the media in this affair?

:lol:[/QUOTE]
I find it sad that there is such an appetite for extensive coverage of these dopes. The same way I find it sad that TMZ or similar outlets will send paparazzi to take sneaky pictures of celebrities. They wouldn’t bother unless there is a market for them.

[Anonymoose]

[QUOTE=Halt Near X;8813619]
It is more important for the news media to get stories out quickly than accurately.

Timeliness and sensationalism sell.

In addition, the public has a short attention span. They don’t care if a news source puts out six versions of a story while they get it “right.” If anything, the constant corrections help people feel like they are “there,” figuring it out along with the media. They like to watch things unfold, not wait until the story is done, over, and yesterday’s news.[/QUOTE]

COTH is not the public then since obviously people here are not letting each other forget this affair. Whereas few of my friends know it happened and fewer care.

As to the question Was that horsewomen comment a joke – I think it was an ironic observation that no one involved in the affair cares what horsewomen think. Now had it been equestrians who got drunk and peed in the bushes, they might care … but hey. It isn’t just horseMEN who do that, is it, they would retort.

[Manni01]

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/08/22/looks-like-rio-police-were-the-biggest-liars-in-the-lochte-drama-if-anyone-still-cares-about-the-truth/

[Guilherme]

[QUOTE=vineyridge;8813661]
If uniformed security guards hold a gun on someone and demand money, why is that not armed robbery? They have no right to the money.[/QUOTE]

We don’t KNOW what happened. The Americans were too drunk to know. The security guard by the time the police became involved had a chance to prepare a story. The video is inconclusive.

For all we know in Brazil and armed security guard IS permitted to hold a person they suspect of vandalizing property at gunpoint until the police arrive. If the person offers them money to let them go and the guard does so that might not be a crime in Brazil; or even a tort. That could even be the result here. Or in Germany. Or anywhere else.

What we DO know is that Lochte spun the tale into something that is complete fantasy. He repeated it twice during TV interviews. Then he retracted it…sorta. So now we have to ask the Charles Laughton Question: was he lying then or is he lying now?

My previous comments on my analysis of this entire event stand.

G.

[Manni01]

Somehow it sounds very different in the newest reports… The security guard was definitely not supposed to take money!

Now I really start to feel sorry for Lochte. He lost all his sponsors and did not do much more then relieving his full bladder… (well obviously he knocked down a paper commercial sign)

And regarding the assumption that he kicked against the door… Oh I can understand him. Some of these restroom doors in Gas stations are looking soo gross you can probably get all kinds of diseases if you touch them… I admit I have kicked doors open with my feet also in my past because I did not want to touch them…

[omare]

Well being that this is such an important story (no not really) USA today threw all into their report and also got some Brazilian legal eagles to comment and the translator /witness. Interesting the guards were moonlighting prison guards .

[J-Lu]

[QUOTE=Anonymoose;8813381]
Yes.

I personally don’t understand why they got so drunk. Party, fine. Drink, OK (not necessary but I’m not them). Get drunk at their age? Not OK, unless the punch or whatever was spiked and blindsided them. Pee at the party, THEN call a cab.

I’m not supporting them. Neither am I supporting those who say they deserve everyone’s disgust.[/QUOTE]

Have you SEEN interviews and video clips of Ryan L? I think you’re asking for more logic than he can deliver. He is NOT the brightest bulb on the tree. He is not A bright bulb on a tree. But I’m pretty sure he had a good time at a club in Rio.

[J-Lu]

[QUOTE=Manni01;8814110]
Somehow it sounds very different in the newest reports… The security guard was definitely not supposed to take money!

Now I really start to feel sorry for Lochte. He lost all his sponsors and did not do much more then relieving his full bladder… (well obviously he knocked down a paper commercial sign)

And regarding the assumption that he kicked against the door… Oh I can understand him. Some of these restroom doors in Gas stations are looking soo gross you can probably get all kinds of diseases if you touch them… I admit I have kicked doors open with my feet also in my past because I did not want to touch them…[/QUOTE]

I think you forget…that isn’t America. In America you can call the police if someone is vandalizing your property and they will come. Not so in Brazil. It is more regular to demand restitution. Do you think the gas station owners should just absorb wealthy Ryan L’s behavior because he’s an Olympic medalist, or do you think that Ryan L should have to pay for the destruction he caused?

Do you actually think that Olympians have the privilege of relieving their bladders on anything they want to? I don’t. Do you think Olympians are allowed to destroy material?? I don’t. By your standards, Lochte should have been confined to the Plaza 5 star hotel. Yet he wasn’t, and he chose to leave and integrate (find night clubs and hookers) and file a false police report and lie about it. He has no privilege.

[vineyridge]

He didn’t file a police report. He called his mother with his exaggerated story and then told it to reporters and police in what seems to have been a press conference.

I think men of all classes, kinds, and wealth like to pee outside, especially when drunk. At least many of the men I know do. My father certainly did.

There is nothing in any story that he deliberately destroyed the poster. It’s just as likely as not that he was drunk and grabbed at it to keep his balance and tore the canvas. If the hinges were so weak that the door collapsed when he tried to kick it open, I’m not sure that could be considered wanton destruction–and there is no mention in any of the official reports of a broken door. USA Today didn’t find one nor did they find damage inside the restroom.
Nothing looked new, and everything inside was intact. The videos don’t even show the guys going near the restroom, per USA Today.

It may be common practice to demand restitution in Brazil, but at the point of a gun? Still looks like armed robbery to me.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/rio-2016/2016/08/21/investigation-ryan-lochte-rio-olympics-authorities/89082232/
This is a different story from the one above and it contains far more information.

[Manni01]

[QUOTE=J-Lu;8814234]
I think you forget…that isn’t America. In America you can call the police if someone is vandalizing your property and they will come. Not so in Brazil. It is more regular to demand restitution. Do you think the gas station owners should just absorb wealthy Ryan L’s behavior because he’s an Olympic medalist, or do you think that Ryan L should have to pay for the destruction he caused?[/QUOTE]
There are different things to consider. Brasil is a country with regular laws. Because if Brasil would have no regular laws, it would have never gotten the Olympics. I don’t think countries without a correct legal system have the honor to organize the Olympics. And in the USA today report it was written, that the guard had no right to act like he did. Point a gun towards a drunk person and demand money. And yes I do believe that also an Olympian should pay for any destruction he causes. But he should be still treated in a legal way. There is no need to give an Olympian an extra treatment like pointing a gun at him illegally.

Do you actually think that Olympians have the privilege of relieving their bladders on anything they want to? I don’t.

Huh?? I know the Olympics originated in Greece and the did have Gods and I know that some people refer to Olympians as Gods, but Ryan Lochte is a mortal who has to relieve his bladder when its full. Yes I do believe that he has the right to empty it. Just because he is an Olympian that doesn’t mean he doesn’t need to pee. And I have a thread running about this topic and so far everybody agreed that they would pee outside a restroom depending on the circumstances as long as they do it discreet. And the Olympians were somehow limited. They were drunk and sitting in a taxi. They tried to be discreet, they did not pee in front of everybody. They went to the back and peed in the bushes. And they did apologize for it. But still IMO regarding the situation they probably tried the best they could to be discreet. And I accept that. They are human, they needed to pee and they tried to be discreet. Thats enough for me

Do you think Olympians are allowed to destroy material?? I don’t. By your standards, Lochte should have been confined to the Plaza 5 star hotel. Yet he wasn’t, and he chose to leave and integrate (find night clubs and hookers) and file a false police report and lie about it. He has no privilege.

No I don’t think Olympians are allowed to destroy material. But we don’t really know how much he destroyed and why it happened. Maybe the paper poster was somehow fragile and came down fast… Paper is not very solid. And I did not know that parties are not allowed at the Olympic games. Wasn’t this an official party? It was never written anywhere that he made a tour through the night clubs of Rio. And he did not file a false police report because there was no police report and therefore did not lie about it.
I think in this case there are so many false facts going around that it is very tricky to argue with anything.
I just know that I don’t know much about the incident and certainly not enough to accuse somebody who needed to relieve his bladder that he was lying and filing false police reports.

[Anonymoose]

Ok now this thread is getting just plain weird and posters are getting as far from the “facts” as RL. Hookers;.nd fragile posters torn despite being in a case or frame?

This thread is just getting weird.

[Anonymoose]

If the guys peed behind the building, why did they go into the building? They obviously did go in: they are shown coming out. They then go to the car, not behind the building. Is the missing footage of them peeing behind the store? I assume they peed before all that shows on the film was filmed. The footage does not agree with any statements made on record.There is no film showing them coming from behind the building or arriving at the building. Why?

[SendenHorse]

I heard he lied about bedbugs to get a better hotel back in 2012 in order to move to a better party zone uptown. He created a crisis for the 5* hotel and staff, it was very costly. He shows no regard for how his actions affect others, and again a lie. I heard it on the radio news story so I don’t have a link but he is still all over the news and people are still very upset so I’m sure it won’t be hard to document.

As I said, not so caught up in this issue in Rio, it’s just showing a pattern of lying and being self-centered.

Oh, and all his sponsors dropped him now.

[Where_sMyWhite]

[QUOTE=Manni01;8814110]
Now I really start to feel sorry for Lochte. He lost all his sponsors and did not do much more then relieving his full bladder… (well obviously he knocked down a paper commercial sign)[/QUOTE]

Oh, and he lied (and in the process put the hosting country in a bad light). I am so not sorry for him for lying… No sympathy that his sponsors kicked him to the curb for looking bad and lying in public. Not someone who I would want representing my company.

@Manni01;8814296

There are different things to consider. Brasil is a country with regular laws. Because if Brasil would have no regular laws, it would have never gotten the Olympics. I don’t think countries without a correct legal system have the honor to organize the Olympics.

What the heck are “regular laws” or a “correct legal system”??? Can you provide definitions or quantify them or are they just some personal, abstract term based on personal feelings?

Yes, Brazil has laws for sure. They also have customs that they allow that other countries may or may not.

Lochte LIED. At this point, I don’t really care what he really did or didn’t do. I do care that he

LIED

and his initial statements made Brazil look bad

He is a gold medal winning athlete. He should be held to a higher standard, not offered excuses and justification. IMO.

As as G would confirm… once you lie and are found out, your credibility is shot and anything you say can’t be trusted.

[Where_sMyWhite]

Gag… rumors (not to be confirmed by NBC) that Lochte will be on the next season of DWTS

I hope those rumors prove to be false…

[Foxtrot_s]

Even without all the facts and the varying stories that keep emerging, a high profile athlete worth $2.4 million (according to one read) from his sponsors has a
duty to protect the reputation of the sponsors who also need to protect a set of values and an image.

Since very few athletes get anything in the way of sponsorship, he could have
taken that more seriously - or risk losing it.

[vineyridge]

[QUOTE=Anonymoose;8814300]
If the guys peed behind the building, why did they go into the building? They obviously did go in: they are shown coming out. They then go to the car, not behind the building. Is the missing footage of them peeing behind the store? I assume they peed before all that shows on the film was filmed. The footage does not agree with any statements made on record.There is no film showing them coming from behind the building or arriving at the building. Why?[/QUOTE]

I looked at the video, and they went through a passage to the back. They came back through that same passageway.

[vineyridge]

[QUOTE=Guilherme;8814067]
We don’t KNOW what happened. The Americans were too drunk to know. The security guard by the time the police became involved had a chance to prepare a story. The video is inconclusive.

For all we know in Brazil and armed security guard IS permitted to hold a person they suspect of vandalizing property at gunpoint until the police arrive. If the person offers them money to let them go and the guard does so that might not be a crime in Brazil; or even a tort. That could even be the result here. Or in Germany. Or anywhere else.

What we DO know is that Lochte spun the tale into something that is complete fantasy. He repeated it twice during TV interviews. Then he retracted it…sorta. So now we have to ask the Charles Laughton Question: was he lying then or is he lying now?

My previous comments on my analysis of this entire event stand.

G.[/QUOTE]

If it’s not armed robbery, it’s extortion. From a “prison guard” security guard who is described as law enforcement by the Rio Police. I believe the normal course of events in the US is that if I do damage to YOUR property, we can voluntarily agree to keep the matter out of the justice system. But if you are holding a gun on me and demanding the money, that’s purely and simply illegal on your part.