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[Manni01]

[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8813145]
Hugh? this makes no sense. No one is guilty all the time?
Do you realize what they have done in the past? they have huge attitudes.

I don’t like big egos, or entitlement.

If that makes me a jerk, fine. I’m not the one getting drunk and making false reports, going to jail.

We judge situations and people ALL THE TIME. Get real Manni,. this false humility on your part is very interesting.

I can’t believe you are defending these losers. They are embarrassing the country. That is ok with you? not ok with me.
someone beat up their wife? they are a looser too.
Someone hit their dog? yup, scum.

Stop doing illegal things and being assholes and I’ll change my mind.

I’m a christian and it’s not part of the faith to lie and wreck things, and have an ago. So yeah…[/QUOTE]

OMG you are worse than I thought… Try to get the facts right before you condem somebody. The situation was exactly as I said all the time :). The swimmers are not liars and jerks they were illegally threatened, Please read the cited article first before you answer

[Manni01]

[QUOTE=omare;8813099]
Here is the article.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/rio-2016/2016/08/21/investigation-ryan-lochte-rio-olympics-authorities/89082232/

Updated
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/rio-2016/2016/08/23/ryan-lochte-us-swimmers-rio-de-janeiro-gas-station-security-guards-incident/89228124/[/QUOTE]
Thank you so much for these articles!!! It was exactly as I thought

[Angela_Freda]

[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8813145]
Hugh? this makes no sense. No one is guilty all the time?
Do you realize what they have done in the past? they have huge attitudes. …[/QUOTE]

Before my son joined, his swim club had some kind of meet/greet with the U.S. swim team members from 4 years ago.
Apparently Lochte in particularly was a real ‘gem’ at this event, not signing an autograph for the one kid who showed at one of the stops and other actions I heard about from people who were there.

It reminds me of when Nancy Kerrigan was on the Disney float whining… and it was caught on tape.
Don’t want to ruin the good thing you have thanks to your sport? Then don’t behave badly, particularly in public.

[SendenHorse]

[QUOTE=Manni01;8813169]
OMG you are worse than I thought… Try to get the facts right before you condem somebody. The situation was exactly as I said all the time :). The swimmers are not liars and jerks they were illegally threatened, Please read the cited article first before you answer[/QUOTE]

again, what?

If you recall, I am the only person who posted a news story in my post to talk about facts.

If he is so “good” WHY DID MULTIPLE COMPANIES DROP HIS SPONSORSHIP?

[SendenHorse]

[I]Lochte was never considered very bright, now he’ll just be forever dumb. His coolness will chill. His sponsorships will disappear. He deserves every bit of everyone’s disgust.

So you’re Ryan Lochte and you’re embarrassed, but by the time you return to the Olympic village, you’re also inspired. You’re a media hound who suddenly has a story to tell, not the true but cowardly story of entitled American athletes breaking stuff, but a story that would make you seem tough and hip.

Oh, and arrogant cheapskates. Included in their forthcoming apology should include remorse for believing that the reconstruction of a Rio bathroom is worth only fifty bucks.[/I]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-oly-lochte-plaschke-20160818-snap-story.html

Oh, don’t worry Manni. I’m sure the LA times is just being judgmental and its unfair to these poor souls who didn’t do anything wrong. I’m sure its all just a rumor and hearsay, we should all offer up an apology. Right.

[Anonymoose]

[QUOTE=MHM;8812867]
It’s really a sad commentary on life as we know it now that these dopes managed to draw so much attention from everything else that happened in Rio. Weren’t there more than 10,000 athletes there? I’m sure plenty of them are more deserving of the coverage.[/QUOTE]

A sad commentary because the “dopes” managed it? Or because the news sources managed it? Or because we the public have managed it?

Who are the sad ones here? People keep posting about how when you’re drunk you aren’t capable of thinking correctly. So how many of us are sober and are still letting ourselves be under the influence of the media in this affair?

:lol:

[Angela_Freda]

[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8813206]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-oly-lochte-plaschke-20160818-snap-story.html.[/QUOTE]

Read the comments. Someone who says they are a relation to a US swimmer [who was not present] says that they’re relation was told by the swimmers present at the gas station that Lochte did ‘kick in’ the door, because they did not want to touch it, and it came off it’s hinges.

Now who knows what version of any of these news reports is true.
Likely the truth is somewhere in the middle.

For me the bottom line is, while in a foreign country were there are rumors of dangerous types, behaving badly and drawing their attention isn’t smart.
When you lie about an interaction you then have because of your bad behavior, it’s really a case of ‘you’re in a hole, why don’t you stop digging?’ and really all on you.
You are responsible for your actions… whether it be tearing down a poster, kicking in a door, lying on national television, lying to police…

[Anonymoose]

[I]

Originally posted by SendenHorse:

Lochte was never considered very bright, now he’ll just be forever dumb. His coolness will chill. His sponsorships will disappear. He deserves every bit of everyone’s disgust.
[/I]

Wow, I’m glad you’re not God! Matthew 7:1.

[Anonymoose]

Originally Posted by MHM View Post
It’s really a sad commentary on life as we know it now that these dopes managed to draw so much attention from everything else that happened in Rio. Weren’t there more than 10,000 athletes there? I’m sure plenty of them are more deserving of the coverage.

A sad commentary because the “dopes” managed it? Or because the news sources managed it? Or because we the public have managed it?

Who are the sad ones here? People keep posting about how when you’re drunk you aren’t capable of thinking correctly. So how many of us are sober and are still letting ourselves be under the influence of the media in this affair?

:lol:

[vineyridge]

According to USA Today, things aren’t quite as cut and dried as the media and the Brazilian government made it appear.
http://www.clarionledger.com/story/sports/olympics/rio-2016/2016/08/23/ryan-lochte-us-swimmers-rio-de-janeiro-gas-station-security-guards-incident/89228124/

[Anonymoose]

Quote from the USA Today online article:

Damasceno added that, while the story has gotten outsized coverage compared with the relatively trivial nature of the men’s alleged crime, it brings to light important issues in Brazilian day-to-day life, including the murky zone between law enforcement and and how the private security contractors operate. He said the fact the incident happened with American athletes highlighted this concern in a way it wouldn’t have had it involved poor Brazilians.

Source:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/rio-2016/2016/08/23/ryan-lochte-us-swimmers-rio-de-janeiro-gas-station-security-guards-incident/89228124/

My bolding. So maybe in the end this will have a positive effect on Brazilian society, by drawing the world’s attention to the state of affairs there? Could the rest of the world have any influence? The “liberation theology” that was such a big deal 20-something years ago – whatever happened to it?

[Where_sMyWhite]

Initiated by American’s being bad… just ducky, not.

Maybe Brazil does have issues (I am sure it does as there were concerns floating around before the games). Why did it have to be intoxicated, obnoxious Americans to bring it to light?

It appears no one disputes the public indecency or vandalism, just what happened afterwards. What if the indecency or vandalism never happened???

Yes, Brazil would be left with their issues but the US would’t be left with egg on their face due to all the lies and inconsistent stories (of which there were many).

Just don’t understand how some people can continue to uphold and support the poor behavior exhibited by US athletes regardless of what happened to them afterwards. Better behavior would have been nicer to start with, no?

[Anonymoose]

Yes.

I personally don’t understand why they got so drunk. Party, fine. Drink, OK (not necessary but I’m not them). Get drunk at their age? Not OK, unless the punch or whatever was spiked and blindsided them. Pee at the party, THEN call a cab.

I’m not supporting them. Neither am I supporting those who say they deserve everyone’s disgust.

[Anonymoose]

I personally don’t understand why they got so drunk. Party, fine. Drink, OK (not necessary but I’m not them). Get drunk at their age? No, unless the punch or whatever was spiked and blindsided them. Pee at the party, THEN call a cab.

[SendenHorse]

[QUOTE=Angela Freda;8813246]
Read the comments. Someone who says they are a relation to a US swimmer [who was not present] says that they’re relation was told by the swimmers present at the gas station that Lochte did ‘kick in’ the door, because they did not want to touch it, and it came off it’s hinges.

Now who knows what version of any of these news reports is true.
Likely the truth is somewhere in the middle.

For me the bottom line is, while in a foreign country were there are rumors of dangerous types, behaving badly and drawing their attention isn’t smart.
When you lie about an interaction you then have because of your bad behavior, it’s really a case of ‘you’re in a hole, why don’t you stop digging?’ and really all on you.
You are responsible for your actions… whether it be tearing down a poster, kicking in a door, lying on national television, lying to police…[/QUOTE]

yes, I agree. we are all responsible for our actions.

Also, opinions are formed on the basis of the news stories as presented. One must rely on info to a certain degree as we are not actually there. However, having multiple accounts of bad attitudes and behavior from multiple instances then one can start to add up things to form an opinion.

As I said, I’d happily reverse my thoughts should I have a reason to think they are angles.

This is a big picture thing, based on him and his actions when I heard about him before. NOT JUST THIS ONE DAY, ok?

When multiple media sites, that are reputable, along with most of the people I interact with say one thing…well its not just me.

The way he answered questions is what is bugging me, NOT the story of he kicked in the door or did not. Irrelevant.

[SendenHorse]

I did, however, reverse my thinking of Phelps. So see? I can and will change based on the persons’ actions or non-actions.

Besides, no one cares what a bunch of horse women say :yes:

[Manni01]

[QUOTE=SendenHorse;8813402]
I did, however, reverse my thinking of Phelps. So see? I can and will change based on the persons’ actions or non-actions.

Besides, no one cares what a bunch of horse women say :yes:[/QUOTE]
You did it again it’s pretty amazing, you give all your posts a little nastiness :(. Was the last sentence relevant for the topic?? But you obviously needed to give a little kick

[Angela_Freda]

[QUOTE=Manni01;8813452]
You did it again it’s pretty amazing, you give all your posts a little nastiness :(. Was the last sentence relevant for the topic?? But you obviously needed to give a little kick :([/QUOTE]

Manni01, I am going to hazard a guess that her last line was a JOKE.
You know what that is, right?
It’s not a little kick, it’s not nastiness… it’s a joke.

I also have to comment on the fact that you seem to choose to ignore the rule about staying on topic and posting about the topic and not other posters.
Since I’ve noticed you doing it [even when admonishing others about the rules] I just thought I would mention it rather than report it, this time.

[NEEDS_A_NAP]

Anyone who had ever watched even one part of one episode of “What Would Ryan Lochte Do”, would know why he wasn’t considered very bright. He tried to make “Jeah” happen (like the girl in Mean Girls tried to make “Fetch” happen).

My final thought on this is, if Ryan Lochte were still a force in swimming, (remember he finished 6th in his last race), and he weren’t 32, the three sponsors who dropped him would have found an excuse to keep him.

Cynical, but that is the way sports operates in this country.

[Manni01]

[QUOTE=Angela Freda;8813527]
Manni01, I am going to hazard a guess that her last line was a JOKE.
You know what that is, right?
It’s not a little kick, it’s not nastiness… it’s a joke.

I also have to comment on the fact that you seem to choose to ignore the rule about staying on topic and posting about the topic and not other posters.
Since I’ve noticed you doing it [even when admonishing others about the rules] I just thought I would mention it rather than report it, this time.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for not reporting me, I will try to stick with the topic, which I think is very interesting But I am 100 % sure that it was not a joke. She mentioned several times that she is a very logical person, she never mentioned that she had humor… And this was just to respond to your guess.

And to go back to the topic, I agree totally with probably everybody here that R.Lochte is not the most friendliest and nicest person and that he was drunk and behaved not perfect in that night. And I also agree that she should be punished for it, because he represented the US and should have known better specifically being with younger team mates.

And maybe it is good for him that this situation got out of control and kind of ended his current comfortable situation. So hopefully he will learn something from it.

But I also think that this situation kind of went over the top and that the other sider did not react appropriate either. And I also hope that this security guard will get punished in some way. Because now we know that this behavior is not legal in Brasil.
Also the way the media reacted was over the top as well. As I said before, obviously everybody wrote things they never really researched correctly. Now some days later somebody did it but why not before??

So obviously this situation was mishandled in many ways. In fact I have no idea if there was anybody handling it correctly?? Maybe the Taxi driver…