Have they been tested for Silver though?
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Have they been tested for Silver though?[/QUOTE]
No, but there is no silver in either the sire or dam line that has cropped up ever.
Is there enough gray in the lines that Silver could easily have been hiding?
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Is there enough gray in the lines that Silver could easily have been hiding?[/QUOTE]
All four grandparents are well known Welsh Ponies. There are enough solid foals produced over the years that I would think silver would have cropped up at one point if one of the parents was a carrier.
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All four grandparents are well known Welsh Ponies. There are enough solid foals produced over the years that I would think silver would have cropped up at one point if one of the parents was a carrier.[/QUOTE]
But now that you’ve gelded him, sounds reasonable that something terribly interesting will crop up! :lol:
Testing for silver might be a good box to check?
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But now that you’ve gelded him, sounds reasonable that something terribly interesting will crop up! :lol:
Testing for silver might be a good box to check?[/QUOTE]
It is for that reason I will NOT test for silver…as I will never forgive myself for gelding him. lol
Thank you, Daventry. I certainly didn’t intend to offend anyone with my first post.
Darn, I want to see him tested LOL! It would be so easy to explain why he’s so light if there’s Silver. If he’s not silver, then it’s still very intriguing.
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Darn, I want to see him tested LOL! It would be so easy to explain why he’s so light if there’s Silver. If he’s not silver, then it’s still very intriguing.[/QUOTE]
He’s palomino, isn’t he? If he carried silver, it would have absolutely zero affect on his phenotype. Silver only dilutes black pigment.
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Silver is known to speed up the effects of gray, which could explain why he’s so “white” at this young age.
Have you had him tested for Chimerism ? Maybe parts of him are genetically gray and parts are Palomino . Stranger things have happened.
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All I can say is wow. Whatever color he is, he is a stunning gelding.
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Time will tell and then you have to let us know.
I’m going to point some color geek friends here and see what they think.
What if you sent hair off to UCD? I wonder if their results would be different from AG?
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That’s a good idea. I hate to spend more money on him, as he is for sale, but we are going crazy trying to figure out what the heck is happening. No grey after two years and how does he go from such a light isabella palomino to a bright golden?
Animal Genetics has offered to do the test again for free. While there is no way cross contamination happened the last two times, we will pull hairs again and I’ll wear rubber gloves.
Here are larger photos showing his color progression. www.daventryequestrian.com/daventrysemeraldcityphotos.html
The shade doesn’t intrigue me as much. Most red-based horses take a few years to settle into their adult shade.
I would definitely do the AG test again since they’re doing it free. I’m SURE they are also very intrigued by this! If you can, and they’ll do it, pull mane and tail hairs and get them tested. I wonder if you can also get some body hairs.
Thanks for the link, that is perfect for what I’d like to show my friends.
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Columbus’s Queen Isabella had absolutely nothing to do with the Bourbons. If she was the one who had the palominos, she was simply Queen Isabella of Castile and married to Ferdinand of Aragon. It was her daughter who married a Hapsburg, and their son became the first Hapsburg King of Spain. The Hapsburg line died out around the turn of the 18th century, but the last Hapsburg king had named a French Bourbon as his heir because the French and Spanish royal families had intermarried for generations. Louis XIV was thrilled with the idea of a Bourbon Spanish king, but the rest of Europe wasn’t. As a result there was a European War of the Spanish Succession which dragged on for many years from about 1702 until 1712. That was the Duke of Marlborough’s war. In North America, it was called Queen Anne’s war. Ended by the Treaty of Utrecht, it drastically changed North America boundaries and put the Bourbons on the throne of Spain. That’s also when the Brits got hold of Gibraltar.
There was a previous Queen Isabel de Bourbon (1602-1644), but she was originally Elisabeth of France. Her name was changed to Isabel when she married Philip IV of Spain. She was the sister of Louis XIII of France and thus the Aunt of Louis XIV. Louis XIII married Philip IV’s sister. And then Louis XIV married Isabel’s daughter. It’s a wonder Louis didn’t claim the Spanish throne for himself, but was willing to let his grandson have it.
Talking about inbreeding! It’s as bad as Arabian horses, maybe even worse.
Another Queen Isabella de Bourbon was named heir to the Spanish Throne in the 1830s, some 350 years after Columbus, but I’m not sure she ever reigned…
I had one several years ago that was born with none of the “signs of gray”. He was black, no white around the eyes, no signs at all. I’ve had blacks born BLACK (and stay black), so I’m not sure the washed out coat color always applies at least to blacks. And I have seen palominos (not mine) that pretty much stayed the same color as their foal coat. Dilutes can be tricky.
My black colt didn’t show a single sign of gray until he was 3 - and then just a little roaning on his face. He was 4 before any gray showed up on his body - and then it was just some roaning. Some of them just take longer. I was really hesitant as to what color to mark him on his registration!
So yes, your beautiful palomino could just gray really slowly. He’ll still be gorgeous as a gray!
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That is CRAZY! He’s beautiful, whatever color he is.
all my go-to color guru friends also do not see gray at all, in any stage of the 2 years. They too are very interested in repeated (AG) and hopefully new (UCD?) test results!
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