The Daily Dumb

Because I’ve worked with about a zillion of them. Every one of them fits the stereo type of leather jacket no matter the weather, machisimo and/or chauvinistic type. It’s ingrained in their culture. This guy does not disappoint.

It also translates to “will not listen to reason.”

Edit: This is the same guy who, when I asked him to remove his loose horses from the arena so I could ride, told me to just ride with them out there. He was actually mad at me when I said no. He couldn’t catch the horses for nearly 20 minutes after…

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Well, Eastern Europe consists of several countries with very different cultures and backgrounds. “It” is most definitely not ingrained in “their culture”, as there’s no such thing as “Eastern European” culture. :slight_smile:

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I’ve worked with Bulgarians, Croatians, Russians, Serbs, Polish, Ukrainians and Romanians. I think that’s a pretty wide group of guys to have had sexist and patronizing comments from. :slight_smile:

But I guess there’s no issue, since there is “no eastern european culture” to worry about. :wink:

Edit: Whoops, forgot the large group of Czechs I worked with in Turkey. They’re more central, I suppose.

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My response makes more sense when the whole post is quoted, that about ranchers and ropers.
Was not referring to cowboy clinicians or other western type riders:

:rofl::rofl::rofl: Lordie. Considering the level of self-aggrandisement that is Parelli, I’m not even going to tell you where my mind went with that one!

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It’s hard for me not to clap back at them when I see some of the training methods used for Western Pleasure, especially.

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I was reading the other referenced thread about dumb things at small shows and there was a few posts about the wind, which reminded me of this:

A woman at a barn I used to board at had bought an OTTB from someone she knew at the track. Anyhow, the wind was blowing and the horse was hanging in his paddock acting all chill. Woman says to me “horses like the wind, it’s very natural to them.” I kid you not. I had to refrain from telling her that wind was natural to every living being on earth. I just walked away.

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Total mini threadjack - cats are notorious for not loving wind (even though it’s totally natural lol) but I had one who LOVED to feel the wind in his hair. He had a long silky angora type coat that was not terribly thick so every breeze would part his hair to the skin. He would seek out the windiest spot (or fan indoors) to feel the wind in his hair. I think he might have been a hair model in a previous life, or perhaps a biker in a state with no helmet laws.

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He would have loved my kitty that adored being blow-dried. She would lean into it. Her nick name was either Cindy Mewford or Beauty School Drop out.

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From just seconds ago - horse is in the arena loose with owner. Horse is acting fresh, getting way too close to owner and threatening to kick her. Owner - “Horsie, stop that. Stop that now” while backing away and giving the mare what she wants, because she doesnt know how to get the horse to back off. My heart is in my throat, as this mare is just a nanosecond from firing a real one off. Finally I cant take it anymore and yell “grab a handful of arena dirt and throw it at her before you get your head taken off!” Amazingly the woman listened, Mare backed off after that. (Same mare pins her ears and grunts at the owner on a regular basis - it’s clear Mare thinks she rules the roost)

We have a barn full of walking liabilities. I will say, though, that whenever I go to a show my horses are super duper calm about a lot of dumb stuff because we get to practice it eeeevery day!

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I think I’d have to move, Endless.

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Someone on the FB page This Cat Is Chonky once posted pics of her magnificently floofy Angora cat on a very Lord of the Rings-looking beach in NZ with her equally floofy dog; both luxuriating in the breeze with their floof blowing back out of their faces like they’re in a shampoo commercial :joy::joy:

*Edited because I can’t spell

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Sounds similiar to Clinton Anderson too. The wiggle wave whack method I think it was called. Wiggle the rope, wave your arms, then tap the rope with rhythym??

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This place has its pros and cons, that’s for sure.

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Any idea what it is supposed to do?

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In the Parelli world, it was when you increased the energy, when horse was not responding to what you were asking, there just wiggling the rope itself, so next was hitting the rope so it wiggles more and the hitting scares the horse into backing.

Never made sense, having a confused horse trying to figure what you want and, rather than figuring another way and in small increments how to ask, until horse understands, just go beating around harder until horse reacts, hopefully the way you want, there backing up swiftly.
If done very carefully, and starting very slow, maybe some horses catch on.
Have seen others dragging Pat or his instructors on the end of the lead rope along for the ride.
Any time training becomes wild and horse is learning to resist, is a negative in any training.

As our riding instructor used to say, “we can teach a horse to do anything we want if we explain to the horse what we want when we use any cue, even to back when pulling on it’s tail while mounted”.
Yes, he was being absurd and funny — and right.
You can teach anything to a horse, but think before you do if it makes sense and if there is a better way to do what you are after?
That last step, to consider your options to what you want first, is what some seem to be missing in horse training.

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Ohhhhhh. Something I wonder is if these guys are all cherry picking the horses they work with – i.e., nothing too large or with a history of truly violent behavior towards humans. Their target horse demographic is going to skew somewhat towards smaller horses with them being Western riders. A strong man can reasonably throw his weight around against a 15hh QH. But I’ve known some WB & heavy crosses with whom that we’re probably not extracting you from a round pen alive if you confused them and continued to push them past their point of frustration.

Parelli in particular has a reputation for what I’ve seen people describe as " inexplicably & randomly" picking on certain riders in his clinics. The cynic in me suspects it isn’t random at all. He’s either scared of their horses or knows he doesn’t know how to fix their issue & acts like an a$$ to cover from being exposed…

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For Clinton it was to teach the horse to move back when you wiggled the lead rope. If wiggling didnt work, then you wave your arms by crossing them and swinging the stick, then if that didnt work you whacked the rope with increasing strength until the horse backed up.

Those men with microphones and cowboy hats really trigger me.
I actually cannot watch any of their videos, so maybe they are OK?, but i’m guessing not. My gut feeling is that machismo/aggression and animals does not work well for the animals…and i’m a softie for the animals.

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What is wrong with teaching a horse to back up with a finger pressed on its chest and a voice cue?

I would only shank the lead rope like that if I thought the horse was about to run me over.

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