The Derby Trail 2023 thread

Speaking for myself (and many others here) we are not CL;UELESS on this subject, but thank you for acknowledging the quality of your input.

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Sorry, but you truly donā€™t know what happened to Forte and are clueless and in the dark unless you are a member of the crew that looks after the horse and was present at CD when his hoof bruise occurred. Even his nickname and favorite treat are unknown to you! Please share this knowledge with the rest of us if you have it.

. By the way, not knowing something is acceptable in our society. That is how one learns Welcome to the celebration.

Here is an example of what Derby week created for the press.

At the Kentucky Derby, horses are worked to death for human vanity (msn.com)

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Nickname is ā€œGaudyā€ and he likes carrots.

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But defamation is not.

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I wasnā€™t going to respond but this is so bizarre I couldnā€™t help myself. Aside from the fact that many of your assumptions are incorrect, why would I ever need to know Forteā€™s nickname or favorite treat? He isnā€™t my horse. Even if I happened to be standing right next to him, I wouldnā€™t feed him anything. Are we in the realm of some kind of ā€œLa-la My Little Pony Fantasy Landā€ where weā€™re supposed to believe the horse belongs to us?

I think I was meant to be insulted by the comment, but frankly, Iā€™m too confused to get it.

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I think that most of the people here know that if you look really, really, really hard for something ā€œoffā€ in a horseā€™s stride you will find something. However, that doesnā€™t necessarily mean that it is true or that it is detrimental to the horseā€™s overall health or soundness.

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Many thanks for the thoughtful comment. If you want to look at his soundness, his jog is on the Internet. A lot of the viewers, including myself, thought he was a tad off. But as you shared, ā€œThat doesnā€™t necessarily mean that it is true or that it is detrimental to the horseā€™s overall health or soundness.ā€ This is most likely a case of that, Trainers feeling the first, but the vet feels otherwise.

This reminds me of when Luckas brought out Justify to meet the media following a Triple Crown race victory. (I canā€™t recall if it was the Derby or other). The horse took a really funky step or two, and a lot of people on the Chronicle of the Horse site felt that the horse was lame and should not have been raced. Many opinions on this site on that topic.

You need to get your facts straight to be taken seriously here. Baffert, not Lukas, trained Justify.

The issue for me is that if a horse is ouchy being jogged, how are they going to feel when they are landing on that foot at racing speed? When you look at the physics and biomechanics of that, the amount of weight landing on that small surface is astonishing, and then when you consider the number of strides in a race, it becomes even more amazing, but completely problematic for a horse with an issue. If they are trying to protect that area, they will not land level, and a catastrophe could be the result.

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Thank you! I meant Baffer, and Iā€™m delighted you remember what happened with Justify.

Thank you for reiterating [the point I expressed earlier; however, I must admit that you did a far better job explaining them to this audience than I did. I indicated that physics and biomechanics decided whether a bruise would be problematic or increase the potential risk of breakdown based on a series of variables (e.g., track, stress over the area, condition of teh horse, etc.). Maybe I just should have used the physics formula for stress to show it determined the outcome.

Thank you again for your help in conveying an idea/concept/thoughtā€¦

Sorry, who is ā€œLuckasā€ and why was he presenting a horse trained by BB to the press when BB was at that track ?

IIRC, Justify had, literally, just stepped off the van arriving at the track for his next TC race and was vetted to death before being cleared to start in that race.

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ā€œThis audienceā€? You mean, like, at least one DVM, a couple of breeders, backside workers and others who must be made to agree with your personal assessment of the people involved? Nobody is arguing with the horse being scratched.

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Perhaps proof reading would helpā€¦and its Lukas, not Luckas for next time.

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Many thanks, you are absolutely right!

Neither am I. I am glad that the vet did. Said it many times.

BafferT. No such person as Luckas anyway. You are continuing to demonstrate your cluelessness about racing - no matter how hard you try to appear like the Only One Who Knows Anything.

Here is an idea/thought/concept I am conveying - maybe do some homework in this forum. Read all the discussions about Bob Baffert and other issues that have arisen over the years. Good discussions with people who actually know WTF they are talking about. Read and learn as opposed to smugly sailing in here condemning and sneering and faking expertise.

OF COURSE we remember what happened with Justify (does that ā€œdelightā€ you even more???) - and Baffert, for that matter. And other trainers/horses/jockeys/breeders/vets/whatever. We do not just jump on the current OMG!!! angst and tragedies and use them as our personal battering ram and the flavor of the day. Our discussions and concerns (from all levels and sections of racing) are year round and always there - not just when it is trendy and cool to be all outraged and sh*t.

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Any chance penelopeandthecats is a chatbot? :face_with_monocle:

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Would any of the all knowledgeable individuals in this room like to take on Joe Drape of the New York Times for writing, " While Forteā€™s win in Saratoga Springs occurred eight months ago, it is back in the spotlight as the colt reportedly failed a post-race drug test after exiting the winnerā€™s circle, according to Joe Drape of the New York Timesā€¦Forte tested positive for a substance ā€œused to relieve pain and reduce inflammation,ā€ Perhaps ash him to retract his statements. Surely there can be no validity to what he wroteā€¦

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