So, by the rule standards, extended walk has overstep. Someone should inform Anky of that bc her horse wasn’t even stepping into his own tracks.
I’d have to agree with EquiBrit. What happened was not an instance for disqualification and negative marks are not awarded.
Even if she got a 0 for that piaffe, unless we saw the marks for all the movements there is no way to tell if Werth’s score was warranted or no.
We just don’t have all the info. I’d LOVE to see all the scores for each movement.
Eileen
[QUOTE=Bugs-n-Frodo;3448102]
Honestly, this is discouraging. Anky’s horse WAS uneven in some movements. Isabel was having a nice ride, I love Satchmo, but COME ON!!! This is so dissapointing to watch. If ANYONE else’s horse did that, you can bet the score would have been on the 60’s. What crap.[/QUOTE]
Ummm did you see the rest of the test??? Watch it again. Do you think that one mistake is going to lower every other great score. The test was beautiful except for the spook.
Although, it is worth noting that scores do not carry over movement to movement. IMO, Anky and Isabell are supreme at leaving a bad movement behind them and moving on like nothing ever happened. There are alot of points to be accrued in the GP and the Special. I’d like to see the breakdown per movement for these rides. Second, these two riders always ride last - judges want to set them apart for their excellent riding by giving them higher scores. It would be interesting to see how they’d score if they went first and second in a field of 30 riders.
What it looked like to me was he didn’t want to piaffe anymore came above, threatened to rear and then sort of ran backwards. Very disobedient and not a spook. Thats what I think it was. He is resenting having to piaffe. and that is why he kicked out in the first test.
Also did anyone see him sort of hit the railing (I could hear it) I think it was on a canter half pass if I remember correctly.
Otherwise a nice test, but I think the score was too high.
[QUOTE=Elegante E;3448118]
So, by the rule standards, extended walk has overstep. Someone should inform Anky of that bc her horse wasn’t even stepping into his own tracks.[/QUOTE]
IF you go through the FEI rulebook, you’ll see a LOT of stuff that Anky isn’t doing according to the rules, and yet she is scored as if she is.
That’s my major b**** with it.
Eileen
OK, guys and girls, let’s all meet her tomorrow morning 4:15 PST, 7:15 EST for the rest of the team jumping competition!! No unfair judging to be had there! Woohoo! :D:yes: May the best win!
Yes, I noticed that too…
She (IW) could hae gotten anything from a 0-3 on that one movement and it also will affect the submission score but the rest of it was lovely.
There’s 38 scored movements in the GP special that’s a lot of make up scores where she probably got 8 & 9’s
The trot half passes are co-efficients , which were fluid and forward
The other co’s are for the ex. walk, one tempi’s and the canter P’s.
Courtneys ride should have been at least a 72 IMO. Anky’s ride was def not worth what she got.
S.P’ had a lovely fluid ride. that horse is going to be awesome :yes:
Sally
[QUOTE=akrogirl;3448110]
Maybe. However, in aerobatics, which has a very similar scoring system, a 0 on a figure will put you totally out of the running unless everyone else gets VERY low scores. I don’t see how such a gross disobedience should be able to beat what were very good tests by several other riders.[/QUOTE]
The Grand Prix and Grand Prix Special have a great many movements.
Perhaps look at the test itself, score it with lots of 8s and 9s then perhaps a 2 for the movement with the acrobatics and see what score you come up with.
http://www.fei.org/Disciplines/Dressage/Organisers/Pages/Dressage_Tests.aspx
[QUOTE=kkj;3448122]
What it looked like to me was he didn’t want to piaffe anymore came above, threatened to rear and then sort of ran backwards. Very disobedient and not a spook. Thats what I think it was. He is resenting having to piaffe. and that is why he kicked out in the first test.
Also did anyone see him sort of hit the railing (I could hear it) I think it was on a canter half pass if I remember correctly.
Otherwise a nice test, but I think the score was too high.[/QUOTE]
Yes, as I posted above, I heard that hit also - it was pretty loud.
Yes, but he was just close to the boards, he didn’t clip them because he had his haunches crooked, so again, it doesn’t make any difference.
I’m sorry but you guys are just wrong. Egon is right. That was over a 76% ride, maybe even 80% as she said. It was stunning. She lost a little points on that movement alone.
You’d scream your head off if you did a perfect test with one glitch and got a crappy score - the fact remains, that is just not how dressage is judged. It’s not a ‘quietest horse’ award. It just isn’t.
[QUOTE=Santpoort;3448127]
OK, guys and girls, let’s all meet her tomorrow morning 4:15 PST, 7:15 EST for the rest of the team jumping competition!! No unfair judging to be had there! Woohoo! :D:yes: May the best win![/QUOTE]
Sounds good. I’ll even bring mimosas for everyone 
[QUOTE=HORSEBACKRIDER;3448043]
International dressage judging calls to mind Russian ice dancing judging.[/QUOTE]
That is what I was going to post… except you can’t blame a French judge this time !!! 
Regarding Isabel’s ride: our commentators were just mentioning that the horse was fiddling with his bit and then it happened. So they thought he caught his tongue under the bit and then she gave him the signal to go into the next movement, and he got pinched. I know NOTHING about dressage and get bored after a few rides so I am just repeating what was said. It seems strange to me too that she kept such a high score, but the rest of the ride was beautiful and they both regained their cool pretty fast.
[QUOTE=mjhco;3448130]
The Grand Prix and Grand Prix Special have a great many movements.
Perhaps look at the test itself, score it with lots of 8s and 9s then perhaps a 2 for the movement with the acrobatics and see what score you come up with.
http://www.fei.org/Disciplines/Dressage/Organisers/Pages/Dressage_Tests.aspx[/QUOTE]
Thank you for that – I was looking for the test.
So the walk was supposed to be extended, not a free walk.
Eileen
[QUOTE=slc2;3448135]
Yes, but he was just close to the boards, he didn’t clip them because he had his haunches crooked, so again, it doesn’t make any difference.
I’m sorry but you guys are just wrong. Egon is right. That was over a 76% ride, maybe even 80% as she said. It was stunning. She lost a little points on that movement alone.
You’d scream your head off if you did a perfect test with one glitch and got a crappy score - the fact remains, that is just not how dressage is judged. It’s not a ‘quietest horse’ award. It just isn’t.[/QUOTE]
I’d have to agree with SLC.
Get the test from the link provided and rewatch the ride. Score as you will and see what you come up with. You’ll see how the numbers forgive mistakes.
Eileen
[QUOTE=ridgeback;3448106]
God I can’t wait for the jumpers to start again…no politics:D[/QUOTE]
At least not IN the ring !
[QUOTE=mjhco;3448130]
The Grand Prix and Grand Prix Special have a great many movements.
Perhaps look at the test itself, score it with lots of 8s and 9s then perhaps a 2 for the movement with the acrobatics and see what score you come up with.
http://www.fei.org/Disciplines/Dressage/Organisers/Pages/Dressage_Tests.aspx[/QUOTE]
I wonder what Isabell got for that individual score. She is such a perfectionist. Every other rider would let that slight behind the bit go and be happy with the incorrectness. She tried to correct it and her horse over-reacted.
[QUOTE=slc2;3448135]
Yes, but he was just close to the boards, he didn’t clip them because he had his haunches crooked, so again, it doesn’t make any difference.
I’m sorry but you guys are just wrong. Egon is right. That was over a 76% ride, maybe even 80% as she said. It was stunning. She lost a little points on that movement alone.
You’d scream your head off if you did a perfect test with one glitch and got a crappy score - the fact remains, that is just not how dressage is judged. It’s not a ‘quietest horse’ award. It just isn’t.[/QUOTE]
I agree it was a beautiful test but I think his submission score should be dinged significantly. I do not think it was just a little glitch. What I see is a horse that wanted to get a lot more disobedient and a rider who is so skillfull that she kept him in control.
I agree. It was one movement and pros like Isabell know how it all works. It amazes me that she rebounded with such poise! The rest of the ride was fantastic.
I’m so happy for Heike Kemmer and Bonaparte! What a test!!! Go B-line Hanoverians!!!
