The horse that rears and flips over backwards...

I have never before seen, in real life, a horse rear and flip over backwards, until this past weekend, and it was such a scary sight to see.

I was watching a local event that was essentially a trail course with some fun obstacles. The horse seemed fairly herd bound to the other horse that was there with him. He reared a little at one obstacle to show his defiance at leaving the end of the arena where his buddy was. The rider seemed to take it in stride and quietly asked the horse to move forward.

The horse became increasingly agitated and amped up and you could see it coming.

I was just getting ready to say to the person standing next to me ā€œThat horse is going to go up again.ā€ and before I could get the entire sentence out of my mouth, up he went, and right over backwards.

The horse landed completely on the man after he hit the ground, just like a pancake, completely over the top of him. It happened so fast. The horse jumped up and the man just layed there. He was moving and some people ran out to help him. He insisted on getting up despite everyone yelling to keep him from moving. He was able to walk out of the arena and they called the ambulance.

An update from the event management later in the evening indicated that, miraculously, the man was unhurt and would be fine, he was just sore. I have no idea how nothing was broken or crushed for that matter. He’s so incredibly lucky. He could have been killed instantly.

The horse was being ridden in a fairly strong bit (a leverage with a solid mouthpiece) that was sitting quite low in his mouth, and another on-looker mentioned that the rider pulled back when the horse went up, so who knows if it was a perfect storm of things that caused it, or if the horse was just so upset he was willing to flip over on himself.

I for one would not ever get back on a horse that flipped over on me. I’d take a bucker any day of the week.

I’m glad the man is okay.

If a medically treatable reason for the behavior could not quickly be found, I would euthanize that horse.

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I’m of the same opinion.

And from what I saw, I doubt its a medical reason. When the man was riding along outside the arena on the horse, with the horse’s pasture buddy who was also there (and during her ride that horse exhibited some herd bound puke behavior too but did not rear!) the horse was calm as a cucumber and didn’t appear to be concerned about anything.

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I hope the man is okay. That is certainly something you never want to have to ride through, feel, or witness.

I do think that this type of horse (one that flips) is not necessarily man-made, they’re born with a very big lack of self preservation. Maybe it is exacerbated by unsympathetic riding or rough hands or harrowing physical problems, but IMHo very few horses want to flip over on their back… and if they do, they are not riding horses, they are companion horses. A horse that rears but keeps its body upright is, IMHO, man-made and it may be because of pain, physical issues, or just plain bad riding. That horse is redeemable, but a flipper is not. A flipper shows a basic lack of self preservation or regard and is not riding material IMHO.

One of the most useless skills I have (and I have a few useless talents) is that my riding style is compatible with horses who rear and I have been able to reform a rearer - meaning, I don’t tend to aggravate them enough to get them to go up. This is not a good thing; it’s bad to ride a rearing horse, period. I do think the biggest thing about rearing is if you are at the point that you are trying to defuse the rear, you have already lost. It takes a lot of discipline, tact and very rapid, forward thinking to keep a rearer’s four toes on the ground. And once that horse has started to go up, you’ve already ā€œlostā€. Keeping the horse forward is paramount, but some horses go up if you kick them, other horses go up if you don’t keep them moving ahead - it can be really hard and dependent on the horse and is absolutely where a professional needs to step in.

I hate rearers, and I won’t ride them anymore. As a teen, my instructor had me ride a few of her horses that were light up front because I tended to ride them very forward and quiet to the point where they did not rear with me. I learned very quickly how fast and careful you have to be with these horses. One thing I’ve learned is that 90% of the time, a rear is because of too much pressure in the mouth. Rearers (that do not flip) are almost always man-made by a lack of release of pressure, too much handsy riding, or all around unsympathetic and callous riding, physical issues, etc.

Not to encourage anyone to ride a rearing horse, but if you find yourself in a situation with a horse, know that horse’s limits before he decides to go Kettle Up - keep them going forward, be it by leg or voice - some horses respond badly to leg and will rear, others need a little cluck to keep them going… and then, once they are forward and not sucking back, get off and find a professional. A horse gives many tells before they rear - they lose forward momentum, their shoulders tend to get a little tight and choppy, they prop, their inside ear will start to swivel wildly (like a worse ā€˜listening ear’) and often, they will start to cant to their preferred side and you can feel it in their hips. They will suck back, their front feels a little lighter, and they will hunch their neck. Very, very few horses will go up ā€œwithoutā€ warning - chances are, they gave plenty of warning but the rider wasn’t quick or savvy enough to pick up on them.

Should you end up on a horse that is about to go up, if you cannot bail, the only other thing I can suggest is to quickly pull their head to the side - this is NOT done as a punishment, it’s done so they cannot go straight up. This maneuver must be done before they are more than a foot off the ground and is meant only as a last ditch effort to defuse the height of the rear. Pulling their head to the side quickly (in one singular pull, not a jerk, not violent) will be enough to push most horses to put their front feet back down, and give you enough time to get off.

That man was very lucky. In most cases when a horse flips, the rider underneath will die. That is why I do not ride rearing horses anymore, no matter how many nice horses my trainer has in the barn.

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I’ve always said I would do bucking but don’t tolerate rearing. A friend of mine had a nasty mare that flipped over a few times on her and was completely terrifying. Same mare would buck her off and then come at her with her hind legs. She was later given away as a brood mare. Good luck with the spawn.

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Years ago, I tried a horse that was for sale. He went very nicely for me and I was considering him as a possibility, until he flipped. I had just dropped my right stirrup to dismount and the next thing I knew I was flat on my back. I never saw it coming and he gave no indication of having that trick up his sleeve. He did not land on me but I remember his haunches coming down next to me. It shot my confidence as a rider and I never got it back.

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Sends shivers down my spine. I lost confidence with a bucking accident, so just thinking about a sudden rear gives me the chills. I never liked a horse that was light in the front end. It’s really a total panic move, I think – or a deliberate and nasty resistance to get you off, now. I agree, bucking although pretty scary is a lot more salvageable than a horse that will go up (in most circumstances, a bad bucker can be a problem, too).

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I wouldn’t have either of them.

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At one point I worked for a trail riding stable. Owner bought a cute pinto mare that looked to be half Arab. I tried her out and she went down the trail pretty well. Then another person tried to ride her and she balked and then started to rear. She grabbed mane but the horse continued to rear until she flipped- fortunately somewhat sideways. Another brave soul tried her in the ring. She went around once then repeated the performance. Eventually someone even tried tying her down when she flipped. No improvement. She went to auction.

It ticks me off when people send a rearer to auction. Just have the vet put the horse down, don’t pass on your problem.
Once they figure out that trick, they are no longer safe.

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Me either, but if there were only 2 choices in the world, I’d rather be on a bucker.

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Rearing is not that big of a deal to get rid of, or bucking either. You just need a competent horseperson who understands why the behavior is happening and what to do about it.

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My husband’s horse reared and flipped over ONCE in the 23 years that we have owned him. My husband and I were getting set to go for a hack with two other people. I was in the lead with one of the other people and heard a yell. I turned around and there was my husband standing and looking down at his prone horse. I thought the horse had had a heart attack and died. The horse ā€œcomes toā€, gets up and looks none the worse for the wear. My husband explained that the horse got agitated and went straight up in the air. My husband actually slid down his back, over his tail and landed on his feet. The horse then flipped over. We were boarding at a new barn at the time and found out that he had only been turned out for a total of 45 minutes in the past three days. This was a horse used to 24/7 turnout and the new barn assured us that he would get 8-10 hours a day. We packed and moved shortly thereafter. Horse has never offered to be light in front ever since that episode.

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An old barn i was at had one that would do that just standing in the aisle. The owner had ā€˜rescued’ him and wanted him retrained. Well after he went right over twice in the aisle - just standing there cool as a cucumber and then up and over - the barn owner advocated to put the horse down because of the risk of him killing someone. I don’t recall what happened but the horse was gone from the barn.

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Google ā€œDeath of Malcolm Baldridge.ā€

A horse that will throw themselves over backwards is a very dangerous animal. At some point the precise reason becomes irrelevant and what is relevant is how they react to some stimulus. If they have learned this behavior then they likely ought to be put down because it will never be unlearned. The very best that can happen is that it be overlaid with another behavior.

G.

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Yes, a horse that will flip over is very dangerous. Not knowing the background of that horse, it sounds spoiled and bratty, and it’s possible when it was rearing to be a butt, the rider hit him in the mouth and caused the flip.

I have had to deal with a bunch of horses that rear. Most if it is in protest of something and dealable and trainable for a good rider. I did acquire an abused horse that aI learned the hard way had flipped over on people. He wasn’t a bad horse, though. He was girthy in that he has some kind of physical thing where you just had to let him move and loosen it up and he was OK. If you didn’t, he got ā€œstuckā€ and couldn’t move, and would fall back against a tie, sink to the ground and leap forward, or flip over, apparently. Once I knew what the issue was, I just made sure he was always allowed to move and he was fine. When I sold him I made sure 100% the new owner knew how to handle it. He was/is a really super horse and good guy.

I have never seen a horse that will deliberately flip over backwards. I would never go near a horse like that.

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I’m thinking this might be the case, in this instance. Watched it happen once - nice quarter horse was ā€œhaving a momentā€, rider pulled him right over. Scared 'em both silly.

I had a little trail mare that got light on her feet the first time I rode her - must have worked with previous riders. She was a little barn sour, got light, would pivot around and try to head back to the barn. Tried it three or four times - realized it wasn’t goona work, gave in. Best trail mare ever . . .

A confirmed rearer or bucker - no thanks.

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My sister had a horse about 40 years ago that was a flipper. VERY scary. After he flipped on her a few times she decided to get rid of him and I’m pretty sure he ended up in a can of dog food. Sad, but it would have been more sad if she’d gotten badly hurt. We were pretty rank beginners then. Nowadays if I owned a horse like that and it couldn’t be trained out of him he’d be put down.

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I agree with Beowulf when it comes to reacting when the horse start to go up. Pulling their head to the side throws them off balance and refocuses their attention.

I’ve had 2 horses do this to me. Both were rescues and I knew nothing of their past. The first one went over at the mounting block. I had no warning with her. I put my foot in the stirrups and the next thing I knew she went up and over. Fortunately she didn’t kill herself when her head hit the ground. After that she’d only get a little light in the front end. Her current owner keeps me updated on her and she’s never gone up since. The mare I currently have has tried the rearing thing quite a few times in the 2 months I’ve had her. With her I’m sure she’s learned that has gotten her out of work in the past. I don’t get upset with her, not do I let the behavior get her out of anything. It’s slowly stopping fortunately. She’ll get a little light in the front end still, but I simply move her forward. If she gets a little choppy I do a turn to refocus her.

I don’t think all rearers are permanently damaged. I don’t think all are fixable either. What I do think is people need to really pay attention to their mount. After my first experience with a rear I watched a lot of videos of horses rearing. I also talked to a friend of mine who works with problem horses. I could see the horses telling the human they’re reaching their limits.

As far as bucking goes, I don’t really have an issue with horses who buck. My guy does it a lot when he’s not ridden for 3 days or more. I have a friend who has a real brat! He tried throwing me off couple of times. The last time he went around bucking with all 4 feet in the air at once. I have no idea why people think riding horses/bulls that do that are fun! The thing I’ve learned with that is to keep their heads up. As long as they can’t drop their heads they usually won’t drop their shoulders. Between those 2 things most bucks stay level and it’s only a matter of riding it out. They usually get in a steady rhythm so it’s easy to ride.

From what the OP said the horse was giving warning and the man didn’t listen. I’m glad he’s OK. Hopefully he’ll learn to listen and not get a stronger bit.

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I had one that pitched a fit for a new trainer. Nothing the poor trainer could do. As soon as I gave her the lunge line the filly went up and over backwards.

Thankfully she wasn’t hurt, but she scared herself and never tried it again.