Here is a link to the classics winners from the Pretty Polly (14c) family:
http://www.bloodlines.net/TB/Families/Family14c.htm
I’m convinced that every race mare will produce foals that are “dead branches on the speed tree.”
Dear Nutmeg: We’re actually thinking of a trip to Holland when the time comes to horse-shop. But help! What are Sinas? What are Zotties? Your post suggests that these are good army prospects. Are you referring to specific dam lines? If so, can you tell me a bit about them? Thanks.
That is certainly the case with TB racehorses, there has been written quite a lot about certain sires being good at siring sons and other sires being good at siring daughters.
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in WB-breeding, too, we know about mother-fathers and their importance.
In retrospect, I think that Landgraf, just as an example, was a good father of performers. For breeding stock, he was a better father (and still is) for mares than stallions. Just take a look at the decline of his stallion line, but his females produce some very good performers / breeders. This seems to be equally true for his sons.
Here in France, Alligator Fontaine is a good mother-father, but I don’t know of a stallion-son …
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Don’t know if you have access to a translator tool (from Dutch) but here’s a starter piece on the Zottie mare line. Notice the prominent names near the bottom: Maybe Forever, Springtime, Vindicator, Woklahoma. The takeaway is that they are regal, alert horses who must be won over but once you have, they will jump through fire (and over walls and water) for you. Late for work AGAIN but I will hunt up something on Sina also in a bit.
http://www.dbfs.nl/kennis-database/merrielijnen/lottie-zotti/
Besides Plot Blue, there is new rising star Seringat who has a TB dam line. Cian O’Connor just sold him after two winning performances at Nations Cup level for Ireland as well winning 6 figure GP.
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Seringat is also mentioned: http://www.horse-gate-forum.com/forum/zucht-und-vererbung/mut-zum-blut-edle-tropfen/86373-aus-reinem-vollblutstamm-gezogen-und-trotzdem-erfolgreich
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Take a look at the Selle Français, where descendants of TB-damlines are not an exception :
Alligator Fontaine
Norman Pre Noir
Bassano de Nantuel
Abou Sim Bel
Upsilon
…
TF-damlines were common some years ago with the most known stallion being Galoubet A.
The TF (French Standardbred) is among the foundation races of the SF.
I really don’t think French Trotters are Standardbreds. They have some Standardbred blood from many years ago (the 1920s?), but the French authorities banned the use of Standardbreds in breeding for decades. French Trotters are their own unique breed, just as French AAs are their own unique breed.
One interesting factoid is that French Trotters are the preferred mount for French stag hunting, which is still enjoyed today, is highly ceremonial and wedded to tradition, and is supposed to be one of those bucket list experiences for riders.
When one talks about jumpers with French Trotter blood, one should always mention Jappeloup. He was Trotter on top and TB on the bottom. But not really relevant here, since we are talking about damlines.
Or maybe relevant, since he was an international jumping star out of a TB mare.
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Jappeloup!!! Love. Anyone who hasn’t seen the excellent movie needs to!
Also Galoubet was out of a trotter mare.
OT : the French used American blood for their TF (in 1990s) and the type has changed, very much so, under this influence. The old TF was an essential component of the SF, but nowadays nobody uses TF anymore for SF-breeding …
TF are still used for distance riding, in fact they, and their crosses, are searched after for that discipline
The roots of the American trotter breeds and the continental trotter breeds all go back to the British trotter breeds, I think. But since then a lot has happened of course.
Some links:
http://www.standardbred.org/thestandardbred.php
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk_Trotter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Trotter
Also think of Halla, a super jumper but I do not know a lot about her dam line.
Love your post! LOL
I love my Lottie/Zottie line mare, she has been a wonderful producer for me, and I look forward to seeing what her daughters can produce.
Currenty have a big crush on the Querly line from Belgium. 
I don’t know if it’s still active in Belgium, but Opaline des Pins, the dam of Jus de Pomme, the Olympic jumper, was a darned good producer. Her sire was a French AA. She only had three daughters, per HorseTelex, but Hippomundo has another daughter. Of these only one seems to have bred on. She produced five or six sons, but none of them seems to have set the breeding world on fire, except Shogoun, the sire of the absolutely top level event horse Opgun Louvo.
she was one of the best in her time … But I heard that, even bred to the best in the HOL SB, the result was not what expected
This is the conundrum of breeding. Tesio, the great racehorse breeder, believed that the very best race mares were rarely the best breeding stock. He believed that every horse was born with a certain amount of vital energy that could be expended in either breeding or competition which was consistent with the science of his time, but is clearly not true from science as it is today. On the other hand, there must be a reason why his observation is founded in truth somehow because it’s certainly true that super mares rarely replicate themselves in their foals. Perhaps it has something to do with egg age or perhaps something else that we haven’t discovered yet. Perhaps it has something to do with epigenetics and stress. And it is, of course, not universally true that super mares don’t produce very nice foals who can perform.
And then, of course, genetic incompatibility is pretty well established. Perhaps this has something to do with genes that are turned on or off. That’s why a single breeding shouldn’t be conclusive.
There is just so much we don’t know yet. If a single indel on a chromosome can have such a huge effect on performance when combined with one of two gene possibilities on that chromosome, we have just begun the task of scientific breeding.
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An earlier thread about Halla
https://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/forum/discussion-forums/sport-horse-breeding/12075-discuss-halla-please-1950-s-show-jumper
The story of Axtell and Allerton (Axtell is in Halla’s pedigree)
http://www.mi-harness.net/publct/hh/fairytle.html
Hall’s sire Standardbred Oberst’s pedigree:
http://www.sport-horse-breeder.com/support-files/oberst.pdf
Standardbreds for the most part trace back to early American Thoroughbreds descended from Messenger, and families of Morgans, families that also founded the Quarterhorse and Saddlbred to name just 2.
No, they do not trace to British trotters generally. As a matter of fact, when originally imported to Britain, it was thought their speed could literally strike sparks from the roads and thus be a fire hazard.
France’s Trotter and Germany’s trotter benefitted greatly from Standardbred genes.
Lots of Hambletonian.
How about the dam line of Ursula XII?
