The leap from training to first

I remember a while ago there was a thread about the jump from first to second or second to third and just how big it is. Recently I’ve been feeling the same way with my young horse. The jump from training to first seems massive in terms of reliability of the horse to the aids and the preparation of the movements at times. I haven’t had a young horse at this stage in a while so I’m coming at it with fresh eyes.

What are you doing with your horses at this stage? How are you bridging the gap between the very basic levels and then the more mature balance required for the lower levels? We’re building the strength at the gaits and the connection for first level but the quality of the transitions are still training level. I have a smart young horse that I am constantly struggling to find the balance of asking too much and introducing things too fast and just schooling endless 20m circles. Her understanding of the movements is beyond what she’s physically capable of right now. My coach is great and insists we’re in a fine place but still would like to hear about other people’s experiences!! Exercises and anecdotes would be great.

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I hear this - I have a smart young horse also, and trying to keep him interested/engaged without overfacing him is a balancing act. We’re more in the Intro to almost Training Level stage, but he’s been introduced to baby leg yields and shoulder-fore, turn on the forehand and turn on the haunches, adjustability in the gaits, and lots of poles - we really like poles for developing strength and balance and keeping his attention. Lots of trot pole grids/patterns, walk poles, canter poles - it’s so helpful to have a target and something for him to think about.

Mostly we’ve had to work on forward, but now we’re starting to develop suppleness - counterflexion to true, spiral in/spiral out, serpentines focusing on the change of bend and feeling the rib cage shift, ice cream cones, etc. There’s plenty of patterns to play with to get them moving between one rein and the other - maybe check out the 101 exercises books if you’re stuck doing the same things?

Next step is he needs to develop better understanding of pushing from behind instead of just kind of floating, so starting to think more about lots of transitions and especially developing transitions within the gaits I think is where we’re heading next, but it’s going to take time to develop the strength for him to do that consistently (young OTTB problems).

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Lots of transitions. I also do lots of work outside the area to get them used to varied footing and things. Agree with playing with baby shoulder fore, shoulder In, leg yield. Lots of ground work to introduce the yielding and positioning.

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I think this is your metric right now, over what any internet person says works for them.

What specifically are you struggling with that makes you feel she can’t handle the 1st level work? How young are we talking, how long has she been under saddle? Have you utilized hacking (w/t/c) into your work program, with hills and poles? Use the field, track, or fence-line to introduce leg yield and “baby” shoulders in. Use terrain to help regulate rhythm - ask for a big trot, then a little trot, etc.

The transition between Training and 1st has been doable for me and I think if it’s doable for me anyone could do it. Ride the test themselves in your warm up routine. You don’t need to ride the entire test. Take 1-4 of the movements and ride them. See how it feels and revisit. IE if you are looking at 1st LVL 1, do movements 3 to 6. Break it into bite sized pieces. When you feel that each movement is done sufficiently, add another movement.

If she is very young, don’t focus too much on the ring work. Focus on the respect of your leg and moving to pressure and listening to your seat. This all can be done in a field. I like working around a mounting block in a field - baby spiral in, baby spiral out. Small, short exercises with lots of breaks between.

What is your warm-up like? Don’t spend the warm up without a goal. For my mare, she does better going straight to work. I ride the entire USEA Beg N A (analogous to Training level) test to warm her up. I mix it up and sometimes ride it backwards or add movements so she doesn’t memorize.

Often I find it is a mental game with us. They are our babies, so we baby them. At 1st level they are real riding horses now. Time to up the ask and ask them to earn their keep.

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We’re in the same place-- still have to come out and establish forward. Some days that’s all we do and some days she is ready for more and I need to have a better plan than I have been.

I hate ground poles but I know they are beneficial. I should look up some pole exercises, too, so thanks for that reminder!

For some reason I struggle with this on this horse so much more than any of my other horses. I think it’s because she is tricky and opinionated and we’ve had a lot of hard stops because of a million things. She will hold it against you if you come out and ask for too much too soon. In the past she has felt consistent and started to feel bored so I’ve introduced things that are too hard, but we’re in a different place now.

She is halfway through her five year old year. She had a very slow start and some behavioral issues her first year under saddle. She has been more consistently under saddle the past year but is extremely sensitive with her balance and and rider balance. We both have to bring our best to have a good ride.

She came out of the box wanting to be ridden like a mature horse. This was one of the really difficult things for her getting her started. There was no big baby canter barely on the contact with her. She is either on or off.

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Can you incorporate some hacking out with trot sets in nice long straight lines to build up fitness without boring your horse to death? Good for the both of you to get out of the ring some.

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We get out as often as we can. I do ride in our fields but otherwise we are stuck between two busy roads and neighbors who are not the brightest and often have guns and dogs out without warning on their property.

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I agree with this. Now that spring is here (or at least coming and going) work outside of the arena at least a few days a week. Lots of variety of terrain will help with balance. If you have access to hills that will also help balance and also with strengthening. I live where it is very flat, but the farm has a few ditches. When they are reasonably dry I can do serpentines through the ditch in areas that have minimal brush. Be creative in finding variety to intersperse with ring work. This is also a good time to start taking her places fairly regularly so when you go to shows the “going a new place” part is routine. Maybe you can find a place to haul out that has trails with some (but not to much at first) variety of terrain as well as new things to see. If possible go with a steady older horse (I know, easy to say but harder to arrange).

Man, I feel this.

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Oh she sounds a bit like my horse (who I sometimes swear is a mare in a gelding’s body). He has not a ton of tolerance for doing things that are hard, but then gets bored of the easy things. I have to constantly switch up my schooling to keep his interest (and yes, plenty of “oops I forgot how to go forward” days). I’ve kind of resorted to going out with a plan but being prepared to chuck it if he isn’t being cooperative for whatever reason and finding something else to work on. Every now and then the stars align and we do what I want to do and not what he feels like doing. :laughing:

But yeah, I’m in the same place between Training and First. My trainer just a few weeks ago said she thinks we should be ready to do a First Level test this summer/fall, and I think I gave her a mildly terrified look.

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This may not be relevant to your situation, but my WB had a very on/off progress in his early years of training. He was smart and willing and I had to keep introducing new things because I didn’t want him deciding that where we were was how things were done. Especially in dressage we are asking for things to get better in increments.

Sometimes that meant three steps of a thing. Keeping the hard things short, and praising the improvement I looked for without asking it to continue. My horse wanted to do the right thing and was anxious about new things, asking for reassurances when I told him he got it right. As his confidence and strength for the thing grew he would puff up proudly and continue doing it when I told him he got it right.

This looked like teach the thing (LY, SI, etc) and then use the thing to address specific weakness. That might mean going from trot to walk to use a few steps of SF to fix a dropped shoulder, returning to trot, and asking for SF in trot when the shoulder dropped again, and dropping back to walk if needed to get the SF. Not in a rapid fire way, only as quickly as he could mentally handle. It looked like patterns that had frequent changes of direction built in, which prevented overworking muscles and would help interrupt resistance through the body (101 Dressage Exercises - Needlepoint is a great example as gait and position can be varied almost endlessly within the pattern).

When I finally managed to get the stuff that was constantly interrupting his progress sorted out, I was surprised at just how much he did know and how easily he could put it together.

I’m sure you know the theory of doing the hard thing for a short time between lots of breaks doing easy things, but maybe your short time isn’t short enough for her. Your mare might also be getting stuck in the mindset of thinking she knows how things are supposed to go better than you do.

My lease horse was like that after a year of WTC with a barn kid who didn’t know more themselves. This horse kept telling me I was wrong and that what I was asking (trot and bend simultaneously) was impossible. Once he figured out that I was wanting the different thing, and he could do it, he opened up and tried to figure out what I was asking for when I asked for something new.

I have met horses who know their job and were not open to changing any part of it. I think that’s something we have to be careful to avoid with these smart youngsters when riding the line between building the strength and asking for more. Making the easier things harder by doing something like riding patterns on sloped ground can help by giving built in opportunities to do things like balance and rate speed going downslope, and balance and push going upslope.

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A leap between the levels does ensure time is used to build up the basics, slowly - which sounds very horse friendly.

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I scribe a lot. One thing I’ve observed is talented trainers seem to be able to do high 60s first level tests within the first year of a horse’s training for a decently talented, not superstar, horse. Amateurs tend to take several years to get there.
Also, I agree that taking time to be horse friendly is a very, very good thing.
One reason is trainers have typically ridden so many horses they know how to ride whatever type this horse is. The other is, trainers have the experience showing more horses so they can fix the little losses of balance or loss of impulsion or tension in a horse more naturally, before it’s even visible, and can more instinctively adjust to differences from home when they enter the show ring. They also keep horses better in front of their legs which is a big secret to having good first level tests.
With my two young horses I had, I had different challenges to progressing from training to first. The trakehner naturally wanted to sit and piaffe. She is the highest energy horse I’ve ever known and tries hard, but tension would make her stop. Not the best for showing! I had to learn to ride correctly to channel her energy forward which was really hard to do because she is extremely sensitive! She also has a long back, and my struggle was getting her lifting through the thoracic sling. Sitting behind was super easy, though. She had hormonal issues and a lot of time off early on but we still managed to get out at training at 5. We were able to move up to first and second each year after, and when she was 8 we were schooling FEI, including 3 and 4 tempis, full pirouettes, piaffe/passage and transitions from piaffe to both passage and extended trot, 3 and 4 tempis… and it was because of holding back to really establish the basics with a horse who wanted to really sit behind and do the hard stuff because it finally used enough of her energy. Unfortunately the systemic issues from her hormones (we think… $15k in vet bills and no certain diagnosis besides it not being structural) have her not sound enough to work anymore. But after 6 I was her main rider, and my trainer made a point to get on every month or two to make sure she felt how she looked. The basics were hard but the rest was incredibly easy with her.
My Dutch mare is more talented as far as movement quality and gaits, but is more power than sit, so for us it’s a delay to figure out how to balance her, as well as how to be able to use my legs on her without her getting strung out. We’re now at the point she has the right mechanical responses and I just need to stay healthy long enough to get somewhere. I also am going to have to get help with changes - she’s the first horse in my life who didn’t do changes super easily and naturally because her canter is just so big - and I want to make sure I don’t mess them up!

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I’ll echo a bit of what the last two posters have suggested. Sometimes with the really talented but sensitive ones, doing “more” but “less”. In this case, the “more” is harder things and the “less” is less frequently or for shorter times.

For example: if the horse can w/t/c and the next step is more balance in the canter. Introduce canter-walk and walk-canter transitions. Those transitions challenge them to change their balance without having to sustain it for any length of time. Once they figure that out, then you have a tool within the canter to balance them where you can simply say “think like we are going to walk but then don’t”.

For my own horse, everything was so easy for him at training and 1st level that I had to do harder higher level movements to show him that he could do more than just trot or canter around. If I just walked him to change his balance without already having a movement that he could reach for, he would over collect and walk or halt simply because he would step so far under himself that he didn’t have the strength to push forward from it. So I choose things like canter walk, or half steps (in hand) that would help him grain strength in the collection so that if he made the mistake of over collecting he had strength to try.

As a 5yr old he was schooling 2nd level (very inconsistent due to growing pains) 2 days a week and the rest was just walking or hacking. At 6, we skipped up to 3yr level because he didn’t have the strength for counter canter, had a clean change, and needed to get out and about. I was still only doing hard rides 2-3 days a week. Now at 9 he is schooling most of the GP 3 days a week and my other rides are walking out and about. It has taken teaching him to passage for him to even consider more elevation in the trot work because he physically can do all of the other movements without having to engage beyond a 3rd-4th level balance. It never occurs to him to try more engagement because he doesn’t have to.

The trick through all of this has been to be very careful and never do anything beyond a few steps until he was offering it. I still almost never work him hard two days in a row, or if I do one day is more canter and the other is more trot.

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I think I uncovered this year that hormones might be part of our roller coaster. Would be great if that was one of the final pieces of the puzzle.

She has a lot of sit. Sit is easier than stretching but the stretching is coming, much faster than it was last year. I would like to get her out at the lower levels for the experience but she might be one that won’t get great scores until later levels where the collection is required and her brain is more engaged. I think scoring at intro and training and sometimes even first can be a total wash. We did have some mid-high 60s last year at training on days where I didn’t think the test was very good and watching it back it was fairly accurate but most of last year I felt like I was riding with the handbrake on and it showed in the tests. She has very correct gaits and can be fancy— did not look so in the videos.

@Hawks_Nest I really like the idea of one day being canter work and one day being trot work. I’m going to remember that and try to implement it.

Some exercises that might be appropriate:

*’forward and back and forward again’ within the gait, on a circle, then straight
*trot-canter-trot on 20m circle with transition at every quarter
*working towards ‘trot-halt-trot’
*the rein back
*leg yield and shoulder fore work mentioned, also introduce big turns on haunches
*trail rides over terrain
*backing a few steps up a hill
*4 poles on a 20m circle first maintaining the gait, then add a transition between each pole
*canter 20m circle, then 15m, then 10m. Don’t expect proficiency at 10m for a little while
*walk-canter-walk on a 10m circle, this will also take a while

These won’t all be completely proficient at this stage. You’re building a (slightly) more uphill balance than Training. You must show the ability to clearly lengthen the stride, then come back again. Your aids have clearly established rhythm, suppleness, bend and are now developing straightness and some power. You’re teaching the horse the difference between bend, leg yield and canter, and between full and partial transitions. And shorter reins :wink:

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I like the idea of doing 20 m to 10 m circles in succession and back instead of the traditional spiral in and spiral out. Thanks!

The other day we did 3-4 steps of baby shoulder in with too much bend (I kind of “surprised” her into it) and WOW did it improve the trot. Hello hind legs and straightness!

Unfortunately we are back on the saddle struggle bus. So there will not be any introductions of new things until that is all figured out. This freaking horse.

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I have always bought baby horses and trained them myself. My current mare has been a tough nut. She just got to first level at age 14. You have to go at your horse’s pace… hopefully not as slowly as mine, but you have to toss the expectations out the window

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