The Masters of Foxhounds Assn is a Sponsor of the pro-slaughter Summit of the Horse

[Thoroughbred_Confidential]

(Cross post with Off Course)
This was a surprise! MFA Exec Dir Dennis Foster is a feature speaker at the January pro-slaughter summit.

Link to Summit http://bit.ly/do1m9F

From the summit agenda:

The International Animal Rights Agenda and what is Necessary to Counter Activist’s Tactics, Dennis Foster

Dennis Foster is the Executive Director of the Masters of Foxhounds Association in Virginia. A retired military intelligence officer, Dennis has become an internationally renowned expert on the radical agenda of animal rights organizations worldwide. Following Foster’s presentation, will be a panel discussion including those who have been on the front lines, such as horse owners who have been attacked by animal rights groups speaking from their experience. The objective will be to provide practical, hands-on advice and training on how to protect yourself and your way of life from radical extremist agendas.

[jawa]

I think I need to get a bottle of wine out!

[LookmaNohands]

[QUOTE=Thoroughbred Confidential;5261594]
(Cross post with Off Course)
This was a surprise! MFA Exec Dir Dennis Foster is a feature speaker at the January pro-slaughter summit.

Link to Summit http://bit.ly/do1m9F

From the summit agenda:

The International Animal Rights Agenda and what is Necessary to Counter Activist’s Tactics, Dennis Foster

Dennis Foster is the Executive Director of the Masters of Foxhounds Association in Virginia. A retired military intelligence officer, Dennis has become an internationally renowned expert on the radical agenda of animal rights organizations worldwide. Following Foster’s presentation, will be a panel discussion including those who have been on the front lines, such as horse owners who have been attacked by animal rights groups speaking from their experience. The objective will be to provide practical, hands-on advice and training on how to protect yourself and your way of life from radical extremist agendas.[/QUOTE]

Oh, like this is shocking!:no:

[Equibrit]

Yawn. Another animal rights troll ?
Do trolls have rights ?

[SLW]

Pssst, TC, you missed a whole page on the “do not slaughter registry”.
http://www.united-horsemen.org/unified-equine-programs/national-do-not-slaughter-registry/

[leslie645]

[QUOTE=Equibrit;5261652]
Yawn. Another animal rights troll ?
Do trolls have rights ?[/QUOTE]

they have the right to remain silent. …wish they’d use it.

[easykeeper]

Am I missing something? I just see him as giving a talk at a equine related seminar in regards to protecting your self from the redical animal rights type.

I know hunting with horses and hounds (dogs too) is under constant attack from radical animal rights groups (who see even riding a horse as cruel, and hunting hounds and keeping a kennel ever more cruel). It just looks to me like he is giving tips on how to promote the sport in a positive way and deal with the radicals without shooting yourself (and your sport) in the foot.

[Beverley]

It’s only a surprise to the clueless.

Those of us who love animals and promote animal welfare, and who know what constitutes kindness to animals, ought to go and listen to folks like Dennis, whom I’ve known for oh, 25 years or so, and get informed. Because no matter your take on hunting or horse slaughter, if you are a horse owner, PETA and HSUS and the like would like to put an end to that. Whether you choose to believe it or not.

You might want to head back over to ‘Off Course’ and study the gazillions of threads on the subject. You might learn a thing or two, if you want to.

In hunting parlance, you are a babbler, and at some risk of being culled.

[rivenoak]

@Beverley;5263421

It’s only a surprise to the clueless.

Oh, thank dog someone really said it clearly.

[JSwan]

@Beverley;5263421

In hunting parlance, you are a babbler, and at some risk of being culled.

Brava!:lol:

Because having a rational, intelligent, fact based ADULT discussion about animal welfare issues is just SO awful… :rolleyes:

[fernie_fox]

[QUOTE=easykeeper;5262369]
Am I missing something? I just see him as giving a talk at a equine related seminar in regards to protecting your self from the redical animal rights type.

I know hunting with horses and hounds (dogs too) is under constant attack from radical animal rights groups (who see even riding a horse as cruel, and hunting hounds and keeping a kennel ever more cruel). It just looks to me like he is giving tips on how to promote the sport in a positive way and deal with the radicals without shooting yourself (and your sport) in the foot.[/QUOTE]

I have foxhunted for 60 years,I am pro-Animal welfare and totally against The Animal rights yobbos.

I am also against horse slaughter for human consumption here in the US.I have lived here for 28 years and have fought to get horses humanely slaughtered here,they just did not improove the the horrendous killing methods.

So why would they clean up their act if slaughter houses were re-opened.

I am 100% for owner/breeder responsibility.

I am sad to say it looks as though this is a seminar involving the return of Horse slaughter for human consumption.

Does the MFHA support horse slaughter for human consumption???

I have no problem with horses being killed for animal food,because those places are not running a factory line where inhumane handling is involved.

From the front page of the Seminar.

Restore Humane & Regulated Horse Processing: Resurrect the Horse Industry and Normalize the Equine Economy
If you breed, train, show, buy and sell, or use horses in your daily occupation, you need to be here. If you are sick and tired of so-called horse “advocates,” radical animal rightists, and Hollywood do-gooders defining our relationship with horses: if you are disgusted by lawmakers dictating impractical, counterproductive, and damaging measures that hurt horse people, and cause horses to suffer…then you need to be here. If you want to stand with other horsemen and horse women and be the voice for the industry…you need to be here. If you want to have any hope of raising your children and grand children in a horseback culture…then you really need to be here.

[coloredcowhorse]

“I have no problem with horses being killed for animal food,because those places are not running a factory line where inhumane handling is involved”.

The method of slaughter whether it be for human consumption or dog food is the same.

There are a number of supporting organizations for the Summit of the Horse. Part of the agenda, and only part of it, is the possible option of slaughter for food. Temple Grandin is involved in this group and there are moves being made in Wyoming to open a slaughter house for horses for human consumption using her input on how to effectively and humanely slaughter horses. Meat will be inspected and used by state institutions. Horses are still going to Canada for slaughter although that has been slowed considerably as their holding pens are full, according to some reports, with horses going through the clearance period for certain drugs as required by the European Union. Nothing is stopping or slowing the truly crude slaughter of horses in Mexico. Since horse meat was what the military ate through two world wars (known as Bully Beef) and was available in stores in the US up to the early to mid 70s it is not that long ago that it was an acceptable option in this country. With large numbers of horses and a declining market due to a number of things including alterations in demographics (baby boomers are no longer taking on wild, unhandled projects…they want safe, sane horses if they want one at all) and economics (horses are now, more than ever, a luxury item), it will take a number of years for the horse population to settle anywhere near the demand levels…horses living for 25-30 years mean that there is that much lagtime between production from just several years ago and when the population of horses will decrease due to decreases in production. Fewer and fewer younger horses will be coming along but those born in the last 30 years are here for awhile yet. Why should they NOT be humanely slaughtered and use made of the carcass? It is high quality protein, low fat meat. The idea of chemical euthanasia is becoming more and more of an issue as areas are now refusing to allow burial of such animals due to ground water concerns and/or concerns regarding chemical contamination of soil or of foraging wildlife. The meat market has historically provided a bottom price for even the most crippled or rank horse in the country…he was always worth x number of dollars as meat. That is now gone. And horses at the bottom end are now worthless…as with any market when the bottom falls out the prices above tend to tumble as well.
Other issues are also on the agenda…and yes, much of it is aimed at preserving the idea of ownership (as opposed to guardianship…something proposed by the animal rights organizations); the freedom to use your horse/dog/cat/parakeet etc as you choose as long as not in an abusive, neglectful or inhumane manner; education to insure that owners of animals recognize the agendas of the animal rights organizations and encouragement of owners to take part in their local animal care/ownership issues…if we sit around and pretend this won’t effect us individually we will find we are effected collectively and we will soon lose those things we hold dear.

[fernie_fox]

Quote.
The method of slaughter whether it be for human consumption or dog food is the same.

Sorry I do not agree.

Hunts that put down old and useless horses is nothing like the slaughter house for human consumption,neither are the big cat places.

We have a wonderful guy here in Ocala that comes to the farm and puts them down .

[trafalgar]

How can anyone not think animals have rights and if you say you do not, then unless you’re a meanie, it is simply a matter of semantics. Unfortunately there are horses with no options and they are going to be killed one way or another. Of course there would not be so many if breeders and horse owners were responsible but that is another contenscious subject. If a horse is going to go through the trauma involved in the final days would it not be better to do it here in the USA where a short trailer ride would take them to a slaughter house designed by someone like Temple Grandin and closely monitered by some reasonable animal rights people.

[Elegante_E]

Animals don’t have rights. Humans have responsibilities. There is a huge difference.

[CarrieK]

Au contraire, Elegante E! My American Saddlebred–America’s classiest breed of horse, doncha know, perfect for Snobbington Hunt–Drummers Vanilla Sky, Drummer (or Hey, Drum! or Drummer-What-the-H**l???) to his friends, indeed has rights. He has the right to either bring me one special mimosa or to bring me two, whatever he can reasonably carry without undue spillage.

Drummer (or Hey, Drum! or Drummer-What-the-H**l) also has the right to a pep-o-mint or two. Unless there is undue spillage. In that case, he usually slurps–erm, I mean, cleans up the mess himself.

And you’re right, humans do have responsibilities. Although I am not responsible for his dreadful given name (tedious, tedious movie) and I was appalled at his barn name, Vinnie (an American Saddlebred simply cannot be a Sweathog or a The Situation), I stepped up to the plate and christened him appropriately. Admittedly, though, Drummer-What-the-Hl!?!?!?!?! should not be shouted in front of children and pearl-clutchers, (it’s also very difficult to properly pronounce the '’ portion of the name) but Drummer and Hey, Drum! are appropriate for all audiences.

[danceronice]

I don’t have a problem with, say, having Dr. Grandin design a slaughter facility here. However, you can’t have ‘reasonable animal rights’ people overseeing them, because there is no such thing. Personal property doesn’t have rights.

[fernie_fox]

[QUOTE=danceronice;5267479]
I don’t have a problem with, say, having Dr. Grandin design a slaughter facility here. However, you can’t have ‘reasonable animal rights’ people overseeing them, because there is no such thing. Personal property doesn’t have rights.[/QUOTE]

I think the poster meant “Animal Welfare” not animal rights,there is no comparison between the two.

[Hinderella]

Without taking a specific position on the issue here, I can’t help but note how much I dislike the use of the term “pro-slaughter” in the debate, just as I dislike the use of “pro-abortion” in that arena. Just as no one favors abortion, or thinks “hey, what a great idea, I think I’ll have one”, no one thinks that having a slaughtering plant for horses is peachy-keen. In both cases, we are talking about something where the proponents believe it to be a necessity, or an important option, or within your rights to choose…but I don’t believe anyone is “pro” slaughter.

[CarrieK]

[QUOTE=Hinderella;5267757]
Without taking a specific position on the issue here, I can’t help but note how much I dislike the use of the term “pro-slaughter” in the debate, just as I dislike the use of “pro-abortion” in that arena. Just as no one favors abortion, or thinks “hey, what a great idea, I think I’ll have one”, no one thinks that having a slaughtering plant for horses is peachy-keen. In both cases, we are talking about something where the proponents believe it to be a necessity, or an important option, or within your rights to choose…but I don’t believe anyone is “pro” slaughter.[/QUOTE]

:: sets down mimosa and accompanying affectation ::
This. Most–many? some?–adults acknowledge that the world is shades of gray and not merely black and white, and the appropriate plan of action today is not what was appropriate yesterday or what will be appropriate tomorrow, and my plan of action is mine alone and not appropriate for everyone else.