The nutritionist's recommendation....seems extreme

Most feeds (in the US) are in the 1500-1600 cal/lb range. There are a few “performance” feeds I know of, like Ultium Competition, which are higher (in the 1900 range) but also, there are some Sr feeds, like Triple Crown Sr Gold, in that range (around 1800).

There’s a lot of assumption that performance feeds are higher in calories, and “maintenance” feeds are lower. That’s really not the case, because see above - the vast majority are in the 1500-1600 range, whether it’s growth or sr or maintenance or performance. The details might vary - higher protein or higher fat. But in general, they’re all mostly in the same 1500/1600 range, with a few in the 1400 range and a few above 1600.

Same for sugars. This seems to be more about brands, than category of feed. Triple Crown feeds for example are all less than 21% NSC, with most < 20%, and the majority <16%, whether it’s competition or growth or sr. Purina? The Omelene series is almost all over 30%, including the growth feed. Omolene 100 is aimed at the “active pleasure” horse, but has an NSC over 30%. Then there’s the WellSolve line aimed at the EMS horse (regardless of calorie needs) Nutrena is mostly on the higher side, with some on the lower side.

There are a TON of feeds available for all ranges of horses. People just don’t choose properly, and sometimes that’s due to availability.

Want a practical, realistic feed for ordinary easy keepers? Ration balancer. Nearly every brand has one, and most stores who carry a brand carry the balancer. But even then, people don’t use it right. It’s an education problem Companies can’t make people understand. They can’t help that people need calories, but use a ration balancer, so feed 8lb of it instead of getting a more suitable feed. They can’t help that people don’t need the calories but get a 'regular" feed and just feed 1lb of it.

The feeds are out there. It’s buyer education that’s lacking.

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Out in my barn.
I have Arabs.
6 lbs complete feed and they’d be zeppelin-shaped.

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What a mental picture :rofl:

Imaging blimp shaped fun size Arabs with exotic dish faces :joy:

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I’ll echo that some boarding barns (and even upper level trainers) don’t feed correctly, and clients either don’t learn how to feed or pick up incorrect info. Case in point - my two horses.

First horse came to me while I was in a full service h/j barn. Trainer fed Tribute products. 15 yo WB gelding in moderate work (2 lessons a week, each 1 hour w/t/c and low fences, plus 2-3 hacks a week on varying terrain). This barn fed a massive amount of high quality hay, so he only needed a small amount of grain. Instead of feeding a pound of Essential K balancer, they mixed a handful of EK with half a quart of Seniority and fed that twice a day. So while he was in good body condition, he was likely getting shortchanged nutritionally.

Same horse then went with me to college. Trainer there fed Nutrena products. The same horse who held weight on almost no grain suddenly needed 6lbs a day while in less work - 3lbs of SafeChoice Maintenance and 3lbs of ProForce Fuel. Why? Because this barn fed almost no hay.

I got the hell out of dodge and landed at my current barn, where I had to figure out how to formulate a suitable diet for him on my own. Most of what I learned, I picked up on this forum (thanks @JB). Plenty of hay, 2lbs of TC Senior for some extra calories, 1lb of Purina Enrich Plus to cover the bulk of his nutrition. That worked like a charm for him, and the attached photo is what he looked like in his last full competition season at 19.

Current horse is a 6yo TB. When I bought him, he was getting 14lbs of Seminole Dynasport a day, and was an absolute ulcery mess. Fixed the ulcers, added adequate forage, and the same horse needs only 5lbs of Purina Ultium Gastric Care now.

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Your big chestnut looks great!

You have to wonder, too, how many feedings this 14 pounds will be divided into at the typical boarding barn. Probably only two. So, on top of the inadequate forage, you have excessively large grain meals fed on an empty stomach.

:grimacing: !

If this is somebody’s only experience of compounded feeds, it’s really no wonder they turn to quackery in self-defense.

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Except my guys are desert-bred lines, and don’t have that exaggerated dish.

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I’m so glad I was able to help :smile:

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Thank goddess. Your gray looks like a lovely horse! Not a caricature drawing of a horse as I’ve seen in some local ish breed shows (been a while though so perhaps that’s no longer the style)

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Recently found out my new to me retiree estimated age 20 had been eating 12 quarts of Omolene 200 prior to coming to me. I can’t even with that.

I’ve had to provide additional hay at both boarding barns I’ve used locally though thankfully at the latter I just had to provide my daily flake of alfalfa. But both places would include up to 12 quarts of grain daily…

Understandable really. Better than thinking it’s cool to give a horse one flake of hay every twelve hours. Granted if you buy trashy enough hay a flake will last that long.

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Sad, but true.

Remember that recent, awful thread where somebody honestly couldn’t figure out whether it was okay to work a horse that hadn’t eaten anything in twelve hours? WTeverlovingF. They truly didn’t know!

I sometimes wonder whether boarding barns should be licensed, and then regularly inspected to make sure they were meeting some bare modicum of decent care.

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I do recall. My horse would lose his mind after about 2 days of such care. He wouldn’t be rideable for d@mn sure. It’s hay or mutiny for him.

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I have one!! :joy:

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Yikes. Just the thought of all that sugar and starch pains me.

I wasn’t really alarmed by the Dynasport at first because they told me he got a heaping 3qt scoop, 3x a day. Ok, 9qts of feed across three meals isn’t unreasonable for a young, active TB, right? And then I went on the Seminole website and they had a list of density measurements. 1qt of Dynasport = 1.5lbs. All of a sudden that relatively reasonable 9lbs of feed was pushing 14lbs.

One of the benefits of living in Upstate NY is that quality hay is relatively cheap and plentiful. Turns out that this horse becomes a much easier keeper when allowed as much grass hay as he wants and a good 15lbs of alfalfa (shocker).

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He’s so cute!

And juicy. Will he let you squeeze him good? If so when can I come over? :heart_eyes::rofl:

My younger horse is like that; he’s also in better condition with more turnout not sure if it’s grass or the extra steps/base fitness. My oldie still needs plenty of bucket feed, TCS though not candy feed.

I swear some of those look as though they were kicked in the head as foals.
More of the “if a little is good, a lot must be better” mentality that has given us so many grotesque extremes in dogs.

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He’s pretty squeezable. If you find his itchy spots he turns to mush. :joy:

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Awe! Adorbs!

It’s definitely a unique look.

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