The Sport We Love

I’m just curious, since when is riding ability, talent or horsemanship judged by the height of fence you’re jumping? When people harp on fence height like this it shows major holes in their education along the way. There’s so much more to our sport than how high you’re jumping. If you think that increasing the height of fence you’re jumping is the most important indicator of progress, you’re missing a LOT.

When I think about making progress in riding for myself, I want to be able to get on any horse and bring out the best in it. Any. Horse. I don’t care what it looks like, how green or trained it is, what fence height it’s capable of…I just want it to be forward, supple, soft and elastic when I’m on it. And that’s no easy task - to hop on any horse and make it look and perform the best it possibly can. If you had such a goal, as you approached it you’d be riding circles around your “1%ers” and before you knew it, the rides would line up.

I’m with the person who said that OP is in the “wallowing” stage and many of the responses in her posts imply that she’s at a maturity level where excuses abound rather than action. Having said that, we’ve all been there whether for a minute or a year or somewhere in between. To start things off, OP, I hope that you’re able to resolve your health issues in some way. I can imagine that not having the money to go as far as you want in conjunction with compromised health is a heavy weight at times. I can’t comment on what you can or can’t do based on health, but I can say that the old saying “where there’s a will there’s a way” is certainly true in the horse world in relation to money. Usually the trade-off works in such a way that you either have to give up money or time, and the less you have of one the more you have to contribute of the other. I certainly feel like I’ve paid for much of my horse career with time rather than money, and I’ve worked very, very hard for every dollar I’ve spent on horses from early on. My very much not short story:

Ages don’t quite match up, but I sold my big time horse from my teenage years (who, btw, was an uber cheap “off-breed” QH who took me through the big GPs on a shoestring budget) to pay for college. I then took time off from horses to focus on setting myself up for a career that would allow me to find my way back to the horse world as soon as possible. That meant several years with no riding (except for rides I could steal in my spare moments and school breaks - which in some cases meant doing things like riding gaited trail horses, not to mention riding every evil and poorly trained horse anyone would allow me on) and then buying a very, very cheap baby with the hope of making him up into my next GP horse.

So slightly different than the OP, because at 24 I did have a horse. But I also had no money, and had to work all sorts of odd jobs to support him (housesitting, babysitting, I was a lifeguard, etc.), but despite living in a tough horse market, I found a good friend who boarded him for me basically for the cost of living. Funny thing, through good connections and a good reputation, it’s possible to find situations like that all over the US. Whether it’s a good friend who will board cheap for you, or a place where you can work off part/all of board…they exist everywhere. Perhaps not at the top end barns. But if you think you have to be in a top barn to find a good horse then you are wrong. The top barns often allow short cuts in the horse world based on the experience of the top trainers. Needing those shortcuts (which are completely valid if you have the money to pay for them) just means that you haven’t learned how to evaluate horses yourself (side note: learning this can be free if you’re dedicated to it and willing to read everything you can find and befriend people who are already good at it).

When I moved into the full time work world I kept that horse in a fancy barn that cost just about my entire paycheck. I was lucky enough to have a boyfriend (now husband) who was willing to support our living situation, and I realize now (and realized then) how lucky that was. But I also realized that I didn’t need to be in a show barn to do what I wanted to do. So back to a backyard barn (located near a mediocre training facility) I went for pennies on the dollar. In the meantime, I did all sorts of odd jobs (like braiding) to be able to afford horseshows, and found through time that my horse just wasn’t careful enough to be a top jumper. So if you think moving up in height is the end goal, let me tell you that height has nothing to do with anything. I took that horse through 1.45m and found out that pulling rails in every single class makes for a very much not fun experience. I sold him and also learned that a very well trained and rideable horse is a marketable entity at far more than I would have expected. That helped even out some of my debt incurred by the handful of shows we did each year (I think we made it to 3 or 4 big shows a year, tops). It also allowed my husband and I to buy the farm we have today (which, speaking of fixer-uppers and non-fancy facilities…)

Throughout my younger years (and actually still today) I studied the people who I thought had a good eye for horseflesh and befriended every single person I could whose “horse ethic” I admired. You are at an age where you could be picking up this valuable information at every opportunity. Much of what I learned about horses I learned through following trainer friends around as they looked at prospects for the people that actually had the dollars to pay for nice horses in the barn. Was I jealous? Of course! Was that productive? Nope. So I learned to focus on WHAT I HAD rather than what other people had. I also studied what those people who were able to buy nice horses often didn’t know…which was how to spot a diamond in the rough, how to develop a nice horse through systematic training, and decided to spend my time developing those skills since showing at the top levels was far out of reach.

A couple of years later I was basically given a “throwaway” mare because she was deemed dangerous and unpredictable. She was 5yo and in a bad situation and had never done more than the short stirrup hunters. She became my next High AO/GP horse. Don’t get me wrong, there was a LARGE amount of work invested in getting her to that point. And even more work to keep her there since she wasn’t a scopey horse and was jumping outside of her scope range. Winning a championship on the biggest underdog of a horse ever sure was a sweet feeling, though.

My next purchase was a sub-$2K OTTB. He’s my current High AO horse, has done a couple of 1.50m GPs and I’m hoping to put him in some 1.60m classes this year. Again, LOTS of work has gone on behind the scenes in the 7 years I’ve had him. LOTS of work and time…

And as my career has grown, I’ve suddenly found myself in a place in the world where I can spend more than $2K on a horse, and now I have a couple of nicely bred babies (still not in a place where I can afford a going horse!). I still envy those people my age and younger who get to have a string of imported horses, or who are able to go to 27 shows a year. But funny story, there are a lot of people who envy my position of having several “going” horses, and my ability to make it to 5 or 6 shows a year. The envy chain never ends. How you deal with it is what makes or breaks you as a horseperson.

But back to where I started. When I was 24 I was at the lowest point of my riding and showing career. Quitting never crossed my mind. If you honestly feel that you DESERVE to be showing at the top levels then DO IT. There are a million paths to that goal. They all involve a sacrifice of money and time. If you have neither to sacrifice then focus on what you can do to make yourself a better horseperson TODAY. Many people have suggested books to read. READ THEM. Find the horsepeople you admire the most (hint: these are not always the BNTs…there are many many old school horsemen who can teach you more than you can imagine that almost no one talks about). FIND THEM. There are vets and farriers who are brilliant at understanding horse mechanics and on a neverending learning path. FIND THEM.

All of these things are investments you can make now in the horseperson you’ll become in the future. I did all of that not knowing if there would really be a payoff in the end. It’s paid me back time and again at this point in my life. I have a team of horsepeople around me who I think are the best I could ever hope to know, and they’ve helped me immeasurably in getting to the goals I want to achieve.

And finally, to echo several other posters’ sentiments - height has nothing to do with anything. Focus on horsemanship and realize that you have many decades left in the horse world if you want to keep riding. Everyone has to pay their dues in one way or another and having to earn every penny along the way makes it that much sweeter when you achieve your accomplishments. Heights come and go with the horses you’re sitting on at that moment and the most successful people embrace wherever they’re at in that moment.

I know this is never the right thing to say, but I feel as though I know what you’re going through exactly. I’m younger than you and have never had to deal with health issues, but I am very familiar with those nights sitting alone and wondering why in the world you are choosing to continue in a sport that you can never excel in.

I have poured my heart and soul into horses because for me, it is my greatest passion. I have ridden every type of horse under the sun in order to gain more time in the saddle. I’ve been a groom and a working student, and have felt moments where tears streamed down my face because I couldn’t understand why I had to work so hard for so little while others were handed everything. I long to be able to get on a horse day after day and not have to worry about teaching and correcting and fixing. I want to work on myself, and have complete trust in the animal that carries me over the jumps. I want to show in the same classes that my friends do instead of holding their horses at the in-gate of a show I could never afford.

I want this perfect horse, and lifestyle, hell I want to only wear Trophy Hunters and to have a trunk filled with pretty tack. But I have realized that sitting around and wanting isn’t going to fix a problem or make money appear before our eyes. If you hope for change, you have to make it yourself. Find a horse that makes you happy and forget about the height. Lean your face into a warm neck and mane and cry to yourself sometimes about how unfair it is, but then wipe away the tears and focus on what matters. If you’re trying to be happy, there’s no need to quit. Just go ahead and make yourself find happiness in a somewhat smaller capacity.

[QUOTE=huntr_eq_blonde;7553620]
Is it weird if I feel like I could give you and LS the biggest hug right now? Anthing that is coming off as anger or bitterness in this post really stems from my chronic illnesses. I was angry and bitter when I knew I couldn’t attend a Big 10 school or have the normal college experience everyone else was having. It was devastating and depressing. I have tried to be strong for so long starting at such a young age. It wears you down mentally/emotionally. For people to say I would take my anger out on a horse is uncalled for. I baby every horse I ride and always put its needs before my own…which set me back about another year health wise when I completely DIY’d at a show…but I digress. I think it takes one with health problems, such as yourself as LS, to fully understand that mentality/psyche.

I hope I would be allowed to PM either of you when I need to talk. It would mean a lot. Also, I’m going to PM you with some doctor info that might help you. Always willing to share info I’ve acquirex the hard way with fellow chronic illness patients or others who have “odd conditions.”

I feel like I lost a part of me, as horses have always been my life, one way or another. Who knows…I might start up dressage. I might wait until I can afford a “made” 4’+ horse when I’m in my late 30s. But right now, I think it is best that I stick with the choice I made.

Hugs and healing to both you and LS.[/QUOTE]

I believe you have made the correct decision to stop riding. If you really feel as if you have “lost a part of yourself” by quitting, then go to the barn and hang out with the horses.

Since your medical problems are severe enough to keep you from working or attending classes, finding a “made” 4ft hunter to show, should be at the very bottom of your list of priorities. You say that “DIYing” at a horse show has set you back a year health-wise? If you love horses then then hang out with them. You are obviously in no shape to be riding.

Your first priority should be to work with your health care professionals to become healthy enough to function in a job or school, THEN worry about advancing your riding to the magic 4ft level with someone else to pay.

alittlegray; love you and yours!

OP: no horse advice from me bc I couldn’t afford my own horse until I was 42, but some legal advice as an employment lawyer: companies should not be asking disability related questions (other than can you perform the job with or with out a reasonable accommodation). There are very strict rules. Google “Ada and EEOC”. It may assist with your job situation. Best of luck to you.

I’m just curious, how can you possibly take on an athletic feat like riding a horse over a course of any size jumps when you can’t perform in a job setting or even sit in a classroom?

Dear OP,

I was riding with undiagnosed Multiple Sclerosis for over 20 years, I rode, I owned horses, I trimmed my horses hooves, I did all the training, etc… I could not afford showing, and even if I could afford it my energy levels were so low that it would not have done me any good. I never had enough money for the top rank of horses (my first horse in 1970 cost $350 USD), I never had enough money for the middle ranked horses, to get a decent horse I had to buy it as a weanling and do all the training myself. Of course my MS ended up interfering with this big time.

Now, as a re-started disabled rider, I get to ride “throw-away” horses. I can’t do much beyond a walk or moderate trot. I can only ride 30 minutes at a time. Even so, because I have decades of experience in the saddle, trained a few horses all on my lonesome, retrained a completely ruined horse all on my own, and because I have read every serious book about riding that I get my hands on, my riding teachers RESPECT me, ask my opinions, listen to me when I talk theory (because I back it up in the saddle), and basically let me do what I want on the horse and will put me up on horses with problems, health problems, problems with training, attitude problems, or just green broke, because I make a difference with those horses even if I am limited to the walk and some trotting.

I never got up to 4’ jumping though I wanted to (adult hunter classes started at 4feet back then). I never got to do what I wanted with my horses. Still I learned everything I could, accepted the fact that I would have to learn it all on my own since I could not afford good lessons or a “made” horse, and just realized that this horse game is one that almost REQUIRES infinite amounts of money. There is only one way out of this, I educated myself, I educated my eye for a horse, I read, read, re-read and re-read my books over and over again, I raised and trained as many horses as I could (not many), and finally, the last great advance I made, I learned to LISTEN TO THE HORSE, even if my riding teacher disagrees with what the horse is telling me!

Nowadays my greatest goal in my riding life is to build up enough endurance and strength so I can do the posting trot around the ring two times. I am building up gradually, after my last MS exacerbation I was down to doing maybe a quarter of the ring before collapsing with exhaustion. It is a big comedown from my youth when I could ride for hours at a time and post the trot for miles. But, because I did not give up, even through the five years when my MS clobbered me and I could not ride, I got myself to the point that my riding teachers RESPECT me even though I cannot do any more in the ring than the weakest beginner. The horses I ride improve, they regain their faith in humanity, they learn how to be forgiving to less than perfect riders, and they learn the joy of free forward movement.

You may have to change your long term goals at some point in your life. But that is something that most people have to do whether they have disabling diseases or are perfectly healthy. I had to. But right now I KNOW I am a better rider than if I had never had MS and had gotten to do all that I dreamed of in my youth. My main riding teacher tells me I have a gift that enables me to work effectively with these horses that everyone else threw away. And these supposedly worthless horses are teaching me to ride at a high level, a high enough level that if some miracle happened and my MS and the physical damage disappeared I would not have major problems dealing with an advanced horse. These throw-away horses have turned out to be the best riding teachers I’ve had in my life because they, the horses, demand that I do my best in spite of my many physical problems.

Hang in there. Even if you do take a break from riding hang in there, stuff will change. You may have to change your dreams, but the horses are worth it.

[QUOTE=huntr_eq_blonde;7549835]
One instructor told me I have holes…not many. But it was her way of getting more lessons out of me. Trust me, I know I have holes to fill, but I don’t like to be used. (The Northern Illinois horse world is very crooked. Ever read the book, “Hot Blood”? I’ve [unknowningly at the time] ridden with people mentioned in that book.)

I’m sorry, everyone has “holes”, that doesn’t mean she is conning you for lesson money.

[QUOTE=JackieBlue;7554224]
I’m just curious, how can you possibly take on an athletic feat like riding a horse over a course of any size jumps when you can’t perform in a job setting or even sit in a classroom?[/QUOTE]

I was wondering about that too! It takes quite a bite of physical stamina and core strength for a rider to go around a whole course of 4 feet. You may be able to jump a single 1.20m jump, but can you do 12-15 of them at the correct speed to make the time allowed?

Sounds like you should focus on your health first :yes: but don’t throw the horses away. They are such an important part of your life, don’t you think just being around them from time to time would be cathartic? I know I do! Even just hearing a sudden “clip clop” from an RCMP officer on their beat while I’m walking in the park makes me smile!

Do you realize that even Olympic level riders take lessons? I don’t want to get you started with the name calling again but in my experience the most ignorant tend to be the ones who think they already know everything. I have worked professionally with horses for over 30 years. One of my favorite things about them is there is always something else to learn.

[QUOTE=huntr_eq_blonde;7550883]
I have. I ask to flat other people’s horses. I rode sale horses in lessons. I’ve ridden the crazies and gotten thrown off. At all the barns I’ve ridden at, there are no girls riding 4’ horses for free. Those girls own 2-3 imported horses and jump and show the hell out of them. By no means are they helping around the barn, rehabbing horses, or giving lessons to little kids. They get on and they get off. I guess that makes them riders and not horsemen, according to other posters’ standards. But that is the reality of what I am around. I can’t move and can’t change where I live for the time being.[/QUOTE]

Oh puh-leeze. I just about never post here, but I’ve been a lurker on the forums for years and I’ve also been riding in the Chicagoland area for 20 years. What you’ve been posting about the “northern Illinois” hunter/jumper scene is uninformed and just smacks of misplaced envy.

I’m 31 years old and I ride at an A circuit h/j barn with a local BNT. I make a modest income and cannot afford my own horse. I bust my ass, lesson once or twice a week, and sit on whatever my trainer offers to let me hack. It took a lot of work and riding a lot of random horseflesh, but I now ride 3-6 horses a day and jump all the brand new imports, the Maclay horses, the fanciest of the fancy. Last year I won year-end zone awards and placed top 5 in an adult medal final on a horse that my barn allowed me to show. I bet some people such as yourself would see me schooling the big stuff on one of our sale horses and not realize that I also W/T’ed the rehabbing horse, put a tune up on a belligerent schoolie, risked life and limb on the new hunter with a spinning problem, etc. Plenty of people doing the big shows and the big jumps work VERY VERY HARD for the opportunity to do so.

There are plenty of opportunities here, and because it is so horse-oriented in this area, you can find a variety of barns and trainers with different price points. We have a thriving C circuit, a workable B circuit, 2 different schooling show circuits, and tons of barns to accommodate riders for all of them.

Additionally, my barn allows the riders to help out at shows, help with grooming, help with working student work in order to reduce board and show bills. The statements you made earlier that they only hire Hispanics are completely untrue. :rolleyes:

The northern Illinois h/j scene is chock full of talent and opportunity if you’re willing to work hard and treat others with kindness and respect.

I just wanted to put my two cents in.

I grew up lucky, my mom married my step dad who had bred horses (saddlebreds) before they met and had a farm. I was able to live the dream of a young girl and get my pony and show. We had someone boarding at our barn for free in exchange for taking care of the horses and teaching me to ride. It was fine and dandy till I hit 12 and my little pony was too small for me and the person boarding at my farm left. We then hit financial times.

I got my first horse when I was 18 for graduation, and I lived my entire 4 years in college with my parents telling me to enjoy it now as I would NEVER be able to afford a horse after college. I was ready to prove them wrong and have continued to do so. But I wanted it that bad. I did take a hiatus without riding, my first horse lived in a pasture for 2 years doing nothing, and then I got back into it and haven’t left.

I wanted it bad enough I made it work. There were sacrifices I had to make and it was all worth it. I am your typical ammy working a 9-5 job and living paycheck to paycheck for my various expenses. My horse, my second one, is boarded at a fantastic facility and I get lessons once to twice a week and I am able to afford a couple “A” shows a year (this year being my first attempt at them). I don’t go out and party, I don’t hit the bar scene up, I don’t buy a new wardrobe every year (my horses is a bit different :wink: ) but those are what I choose because I LOVE the sport and am determined as all get out to participate in it. I have even started a second business to help fun what I want to do.

My horse has the ability to do 4+ feet. I don’t have a horse that takes my butt over everything regardless of ride, I drop him he drops me. He makes me ride, and in that makes me a better rider. I got him for free about 700 lbs underweight and starving, but he was what I wanted and I saw the diamond in the rough.

Basically if you want it bad enough you can have it. You have to work at it, you will have to ride those greenies and tough rides but if you look at it positively you will then realize its THOSE rides that make you a better ride and should be able to take more pride in yourself.

Best of luck in whatever your decision is. But at the end of the day its all about how positive you look at the situations you are in and how determined you want to be in the business!

OP - I understand why you are getting negative responses on this thread nut I also understand a little bit of your frustration. Your tone does come across as entitled but I think mostly you are frustrated.

Unfortunately you are no longer a junior and at the age where most people are expected to be funding their own hobbies. This does limit the amount of help you are likely to get from trainers who might otherwise be more willing to help out with free rides etc.

In your case due to unfortunate health issues it is very understandable that you must rely on help from your family. It is also understandable that you can’t do a lot of the physical labour that barns typically need help with or use your riding energy to school bad actors.

It also doesn’t help that you need a good citizen made horse to move up with not due to lack of ability but due physical issues beyond your control. It’s much easier to find rides on a fixer upper than a packer. Nice 4+ packers as you have seen come at a premium!

I am not clear why you didn’t jump on the free lease option though if it was a horse you know you can physically ride and capable of the height you want! Waiting a while to get to know the horse before jumping up is not unusual for an amateur rider, neither is being required to take two lessons a week for a very nice free lease. Both of these things seem very reasonable to me, particularly if the owner doesn’t know you. I think you will be hard pressed to find another offer as good as this one.

My advice would be that you need to focus on getting through school (even if part time) and preparing for employment if at all possible. Then when you are able get a job to fund your own horse activities.

There is no rush to jump 4+, I know someone who rides in the local GP and high AOs who entered her first 4’3+ class in her mid forties (on an OTTB too) As an amateur you have time.

[QUOTE=Sueby;7554524]
I’m sorry, everyone has “holes”, that doesn’t mean she is conning you for lesson money.[/QUOTE]
Ain’t that the truth! Not to pile on her further BUT if the OP doesn’t know even Olympic level equestrians still take regular lessons and receive coaching she can’t be as knowledgeable as she professes. Why she feels she’s being conned by everyone is a concern and a big red flag something more serious is going on with her thinking.

OP, if you’re not as ill as you sound (and I strongly suggest you get yourself back into therapy) this refrain by the Rolling Stones always makes me feel better when things don’t go my way:

You can’t always get what you want
You can’t always get what you want
But if you try sometimes - you just might find…
You get what you need

Ew. You lost me from the first post, but this is just uncalled for.

So we won’t be seeing you around the barn? Too bad.:rolleyes: Best of luck getting into that Big 10 school.

I can’t get my mind around “not healthy enough to work, have a job, work around barn, but healthy enough to be fit enough to ride 4+ days a week and jump 4 ft courses regularly”.

Jumping 4’ courses well, requires the rider to be fit and you get that way by working out and riding at least several times a week. You also would presumably be jumping a couple times a week (maybe on different horses, or smaller jumps ), to keep your eye sharp.

[QUOTE=huntr_eq_blonde;7549733]
I’m quitting because I can not progress as I’d like to, which is taking the step up in fence height due to not having the income to spend $70k+ to lease a horse that could jump that height. I don’t care that I don’t get to show or go winter in Florida; I do care about progressing, not stalling out or digressing.

And by all means, you can be brutally honest. I am almost 24 years old. I thought I crafted a mature expession of what I am going through.[/QUOTE]

I haven’t read all the responses, but I’ll say this: I’m in the same boat. I’m 28 years old, and my combined income with my SO is well into the 6-figures… but I still cannot afford to compete at the level I want to be able to compete at. Only being able to afford a 2’6" horse to do the local shows with no longer fulfills my competitive desire. I just cannot, and will never be able to, afford a $250k horse and $40k in showing every month, despite that being what I want so badly.

I don’t think that makes me a bad person, and I don’t think it makes me any less of a horse person. I still love horses and love riding. HOWEVER, it did make me a person who needed to re-evaluate what makes me happy in life, and how to achieve it.

I understand the pity party it’s so easy to want to throw. I was bitter and angry about my riding situation for awhile, but quickly realized the futility of feeling that way. Someone is always going to have better and nice things than you, someone will always have more money, etc etc.

So the reason I quit riding isn’t because I don’t love horses, it isn’t because I’m pouty I can’t afford top shows and world beating horses… it’s that my passion for riding is driven by the working relationship with a true equine athlete, and by the thrill of the show ring. Without showing, I certainly enjoy riding still and love horses… I teach therapeutic lessons to kids and I occasionally trail ride others horses… I’m just not motivated to go to the barn 7 days a week and drill countless exercises if I don’t feel the (exciting, good kind of) pressure of upcoming competition. I realize now that it’s that intense working partnership that drives me and keeps my passions burning. Thankfully recognized that desire can be fulfilled in other, similar arenas.

I found a sport (dog agility) that is similar and in which success on the world stage could be found for a tiny fraction of the cost of success at the high levels of hunter/jumpers.

$2500 for a horse would’ve bought me a horse that was either unbroke/barely broke, a poor mover or dangerous jumper, ancient, and/or lame or high maintenance (sure there are diamonds in the rough, but I’m talking on average). I invested in a $2500 agility prospect puppy that is TOP OF THE LINE… he’s basically the canine equivalent of a $250,000 imported warmblood. I’m having the time of my life teaching him flatwork right now (yes agility dogs do lots of flatwork, just like horses!) and individual obstacle performance. There’s every chance he’ll grow up to be a world-beater.

I’m happy, the dog is happy, I train with a world-class trainer for $30 a lesson, an entire weekend of showing costs $200, and I anticipate success at the highest levels of the sport.

The point of all of this: if you feel as though you’ve been priced out of what you want to do in riding, change your goals. Try a different/less expensive horse sport if you want to stick with horses (maybe endurance or something?), or try a similar animal sport that you find rewarding.

Just some ideas. :yes:

That’s a good idea LazyPalomino! Or the OP could taking up rabbit showjumping! Seriously, there are clubs for it! It is so cute watching the bunnies jump over the agility courses. I have a rabbit and was going to do this until she got an inner ear infection giving her permanent “head-tilt” so she can now only run/turn in one direction.

Its amusing to note that some of the rabbits jump higher than we do on horses :wink:

[QUOTE=Janeway;7555108]
That’s a good idea LazyPalomino! Or the OP could taking up rabbit showjumping! Seriously, there are clubs for it! It is so cute watching the bunnies jump over the agility courses. I have a rabbit and was going to do this until she got an inner ear infection giving her permanent “head-tilt” so she can now only run/turn in one direction.

Its amusing to note that some of the rabbits jump higher than we do on horses ;)[/QUOTE]

I’m not sure if you’re mocking me or not… :stuck_out_tongue:

The similarities between handling a dog on an agility course and riding a course on an equine partner are remarkable- every tiny movement of your body is telling your animal partner something. Competitors in both sports spend enormous amounts of time training expansive and complicated skill sets, and conditioning their animals in terms of physical strength, soundness, and flexibility (the similarities in chiropractic work, massage, hydrotherapy, accupuncture, and structured warm ups and cool downs between the sports are REMARKABLE). Complicated maneuvers requiring tiny nuances of handler/rider motion are taught to both dogs and horses.

(I don’t know if bunny jumping people do the same? :lol: Hopefully I didn’t just diss a crowd of bunny showjumping handlers!!!)

No offense taken. :wink:
Although I never made it to the high-stakes world of rabbit show jumping, I actually did have a rabbit that I trained to go around a course! I used logs from the wood-pile, and built it in the back yard. I think my parents knew the horse obsession was pretty deep at that point.