The Sport We Love

Okay, I have read through your posts.

Firstly, it is called a discipline for a reason. Are you fit? Do you work on your core and posture? Do you do your background research into the biomechanics of horse and rider? Have you read the old masters?

Height has very little to do with it, especially once you’re comfortable at about 1.15 (don’t make me try and translate that into imperial!) Staying on over a jump does not a show jumper make. It’s the in between bits. It’s the clear communication between horse and rider that will set you apart. That comes in the timing of your aids, your balance, your knowledge of how to react if it all goes t*ts up. You have an advantage - you have ridden many different horses, some of them difficult. That gives you a good basic education.

If you have holes in your riding, presumably that is the two vitals - balance and communication. You can work on those on any old donkey.

Secondly, getting on a made horse and pushing the right buttons. Anyone can do that. (or at least many people can) and unfortunately it doesn’t come cheap, and you will forever more be relying on others to provide your rides - a precarious situation to be in.

The key is being capable of installing those buttons. Once you can do that, you have the world at your fingertips. Especially if you can make something of a less than stellar horse. Look at Valegro. Carl Hester reportedly paid £8,500 for him. That horse was on the market for £6,000,000, only a few years later. Now if he had been sold, surely some decent jockey would have been put aboard and probably done rather well - but it’s Carl who’s laughing.

OTTBs. They are a gift to the competitive rider on a budget. My horse, at this point in time, is the best on the yard, out of about fifty. He was also the cheapest. It is not a high end yard, admittedly, but as a kid who started riding at fifteen and has never had two pennies to rub together, it’s a day I never thought would come. I’ve never been able to afford lessons. I have never ridden a made horse in my LIFE. But by taking criticism wherever I could find it, I have made my own. And he is uphill now, and beautifully light in the hand. I can assure you he wasn’t when I bought him!

It can be done. Yes it will be DIFFICULT and stressful, and I would never go down the Hunters route unless daddy was a millionaire, you can make a success of yourself, even in a small way, if you plan carefully and work hard.

[QUOTE=PaintedHunter;7553099]

As much as chronic illness is awful and life-changing, wallowing in it gets you nowhere. I learned that the hard way.[/QUOTE]

Me too. I wasted so much time being angry at my circumstances, and it did nothing for me. I think a little wallowing is o.k., but there is a point where you need to move on and let it go. Now, there is a question that must be answered. Is it too early for wine? :lol:

[QUOTE=LS;7553220]
Me too. I wasted so much time being angry at my circumstances, and it did nothing for me. I think a little wallowing is o.k., but there is a point where you need to move on and let it go. Now, there is a question that must be answered. Is it too early for wine? :lol:[/QUOTE]

Never too early! Wine’s a good friend of mine :slight_smile: You can’t let wine get lonely.

That’s right! Cheers! clink

When I was 15/16, I sold my large pony to get my first horse that could take me up the levels. Then my parents basically told me I was done as they could not afford to pay for me to keep riding. I was in a town with a fairly small horse community with no opportunities to be a working student so at that point my riding career - such as it was - was over. So already, you are way, way ahead of me if you made it 8 extra years without encountering a seemingly insurmountable road block.

I did not start riding again until about 15 years later when, armed with a job with a decent salary and flexible schedule I was able to start taking lessons at a great, but very small barn with a fantastic trainer. Then my job ended and it took me a year to find a new one (I finished my masters along the way). During that time, my trainer and now one of my best friends graciously allowed me to work in exchange for lessons and even helped me find a couple gigs exercising clients and friends horses who she did not have time to ride and a free lease training someone’s sale horse. Once I had a new job and financial security, she helped me find a horse within my budget (low-mid 4 figures) - a coming 3yo prospect. We both had a lot to learn - him how to move his legs and me how to train a baby - but 3 years later, we are jumping up to 3’3. I have every confidence that if I prove to have the ability and money to take this horse to the grand prixs, he can get me there. If he had been made, I never would have been able to afford him, but taking the chance put him into my budget and I learn so much on him every single day.

So, if you aren’t happy and don’t feel you can learn anything if you don’t jump 4ft, (and btw, I disagree with this bc jumps are the easy part) by all means quit. Focus on school and a job and life. As my mom told me when I was sad about having to give up my passion so long ago - horses will be there waiting for you down the road if you make it a priority for them to be so. And like so many moms, she was infuriatingly and wonderfully right.

[QUOTE=pds;7549786]
OP stop feeling sorry for yourself and take off the blinders. There are many paths to get to your goals. One is to buy a young horse (3 or 4 yr old) bring it along. Go to a few shows a year to test you and your horses progress. May not be the easiest or quickest path but If you really want to be a part of this sport you will find a way just like the many of us have.[/QUOTE]

I agree completely. I never had money as a kid and I don’t have a lot now. But I have been lucky, with a lot of hard work, to have wonderful horses throughout my life. My friends have always had more money to spend than me, but somehow they were more envious of my horses than I was ever of theirs. Its a lot of fun to bring a young horse along. You develop skills and a relationship with your horse that you otherwise could never have. Try it! I guarantee it will bring the fun back for you :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=huntr_eq_blonde;7550244]
I have faced my problems: where I live, I can’t financially progress to higher levels. Problem can’t be solved; I’ve exhausted every possibility. (And going down to lesson horse heights of 2’3" isn’t a possibility.) I appreciate other people’s opinions, but at the same token, they aren’t listening to me. I can’t afford to buy a green or OTTB. I am not interested in showing. I just want to progress, which is human nature.[/QUOTE]

Define “progress” then? Sometimes we have to make concessions to life. We have to change our goals or our definition of “progress.”

Yes, “progressing” takes money, time, limitless effort. Showing and competing, especially at rated shows, takes $$$$$$.

I figured out early I wasn’t going to “live the dream” - it took some adjustment in goals and deciding what it was that made me happy. It turns out that “progress” doesn’t have to mean jumping higher or competing. There’s so many things to learn and do with horses, you could spend a lifetime progressing without ever jumping over 2’6"

It actually is OK to just ride. To just trail ride. To just learn some dressage. To just perfect things at a lot level. To enjoy it without competition. To play around with different disciplines.

Your problem isn’t that it takes all this money to “progress,” it’s that you’re locked into one version of what progress is, and you’re stuck in this place where you feel like there’s no point if you can’t get what you wanted or dreamed of growing up. We all hit this point, I think, it’s just how we deal with it that’s different or tells us what kind of horseman we actually are.

Maybe it’s best to take a break and wait, and finish your degree, and come back with the $ to pursue your current goal. Maybe it’s best to find some horses to exercise and practice dressage.

It’s just hard for me to read your complaints when here I sit, having not really ridden in a few years due to life, and I’d give just about anything for a couple lunge line lessons even though I started riding thirty years ago.

I’m sorry you’re feeling so frustrated. You’ll get through it, and maybe even find new ways to keep riding fun and exciting. If it’s in your bones and blood, you will, anyway.

[QUOTE=huntr_eq_blonde;7550244]
Just said that comments were welcome, etc. [/QUOTE]

But that hasn’t proven to be true. You only seem to welcome comments that commiserate with you. Maybe if you’d made that clear at the beginning… :wink:

Liz, who votes with those people who would rather ride anything (sound) that smelled like a horse than give up riding.

[QUOTE=IvyHall;7553021]
Well, I am finally as perplexed by the OP as everyone else.

And while I know I don’t need to defend OTTBs her comment regarding them pulling…just… well its just a bad generalization.

I have an OTTB. He shows 4+ jumpers. He takes me to the jumps (as I want him to) but doesn’t pull hard. I have graves disease, sjogrens and rheumatoid arthritis. The RA mostly affects my hands. Recently my horse has had some health issues and his work load has been drastically reduced. As a result I have been lessoning on my trainers jumpers and her sales horses, all of which are fancy imports… and there have been several times that my hands are throbbing the day after lessons. You won’t find too many 4+ jumpers that don’t take you to the jump and at least pull a little bit from time to time.

Here is my cheap OTTB (who you are apparently too good for) showing at 1.20 last weekend.

http://s1285.photobucket.com/user/ivyhall1/library/Mobile%20Uploads/OTTB

My new recommendation to the OP is to find herself a very rich husband as soon as possible.[/QUOTE]

Dude…doesn’t even look like your horse is trying yet at that height! Looks like as much effort as 2 ft for him :slight_smile: Awesome job on that one. Lovely!!!

The OP said that she was not interested in an OTTB because they all pull. So that solves that problem.

I think that many posters have given the OP very thoughtful advice, on their own medical problems, their own struggles, how riding makes them happy, and how there’s so much to learn besides fence height.

I think it’s time for the OP to quit riding and perhaps seek some form of counseling to help her with her feelings.

OP, you have already had a lot more opportunities than most people. My parents never leased me a horse, I never got to ride a 4 foot course ( okay, it was part I don’t have the horsepower and part I’m a big weenie!)

You got to ride sale horses at a high level, yes it sucks they would get sold out for under you, but you knew that had a high probability of happening, but you still got that experience! Which is way more than a lot of people in this industry get!

Anyone remember that Horsepower show? I think it was Maria who was riding one of Frank Madden’s sale horses in all the eq classes and finals and he got sold out from under her right before the Maclay final. She didn’t go on a public message board and whine, she bucked up and rode whatever Frank could find her for the finals. She didn’t win but she did well that year, and I believe she might have won or placed high in finals the following year, on whatever horse Frank had for her at the time.

I assure you had she had the same attitude as you’re displaying, she would not have been given any of the opportunities that she had come her way in her junior years and when she was just starting out as a professional. Don’t wallow in sorrow and keep your ears open for any opportunity that might come up for you to catch ride. If you’re jumping 4 foot, then you obviously have some skill. Figure out how to work what you do have, to your advantage, instead of always focusing on what you don’t have.

There have been some very good points made on this thread already (and Ivy Hall, your horse is stunning! Best of luck with his treatment!)

When it comes to rider skill, there is so much more to “progressing,” than jumping 4’+. Yes, if jumping is your thing, jumping “big” sticks is pretty fun. I get that. But the truth is, from a skill development perspective, the technical aspects of riding can be learned and practiced at any height. Control of pace, track, impulsion & balance are what is needed to be successful over a course - including a course of 4’+ jumps.

Are there some differences over big tracks compared to say, 3’ courses? Yes. And it is certainly an advantage to learning how to cope with a track of bigger jumps on a made horse with scope to spare. But it is certainly not the only way to get the job done.

Riders lucky/wealthy enough to afford some practice packers to introduce them to the bigger leagues are fortunate - but typically pay a not so small fortune for them. If you cannot - or choose not to - spend that fortune, the other way is to make up a horse that has the talent, but not (yet) the education.

OP, you say you cannot afford to buy/keep a horse right now, and thus do not want to take the approach of getting an inexpensive OTTB to train up. Fair enough; board and care are expensive. But I imagine that there might certainly be opportunities to ride such horses, perhaps by volunteering with one of the organizations who re-train OTTBs for other careers.

If you are truly ready to take on a 4’ horse… you should easily be able to work with less accomplished animals, and improve them by leaps and bounds. Will they be sold before you get to compete them at that 4’ level? Probably, yes. Will they still teach you an incredible amount and make you way better prepared to jump around a big track when the opportunity presents itself? Without question. Just as learning some dressage or doing a bit of cross country riding or lots of other things - all of it can add tools to your toolkit and make you a better, more capable rider.

But if all you want at this point is a free/cheap MADE 4’ horse, or you just aren’t interested in riding anymore, I’d echo those who suggest taking up tennis.

I have to say that while the OP’s tone is off-putting and maybe there is an attitude problem manifesting itself, I think I understand where she’s coming from.

I currently pay an amount of money that would easily cover training board in 90% of the country to part board a horse that maxes out at much lower than 4 ft. Think, more than a foot lower. :smiley: Let’s be clear, though: there is absolutely no way on earth I could afford full board in my area, even if the horse itself was a free OTTB (per the suggestion of many on this thread.)

I work really hard. I do barn chores, I lunge, I pull manes, I wrap legs, I ride the aging and the schoolies and the silly ones and the ones just coming back into work that need 25 minutes of walk only. I do it all for free (for fun!) with a huge smile on my face. I don’t think of it as proving myself or bartering for better rides in the future. The barn is just where I like to spend my weekends.

But…I’m just not that great of a rider. I mean, I’m fine and I follow instructions like a champ (which makes 26 year old, won’t put a foot out of line me advantageous over a 15 year old big eq prodigy daredevil in a lot of cases!) and horses tend to go well for me and I have a decent eye, but I’ve literally never jumped higher than 3’3 - never had the opportunity. I was never a working student. I sometimes get nervous and choke in the show ring. Sometimes I forget my course.

I’m here to tell you, at least in my very, very pay to play area, people do not just give dedicated but thoroughly middling riders nice rides. It just doesn’t happen. I can’t even find a three foot horse without an enormous lease fee.

So some days (like today) I sit here and tally up how much I’m spending to kill myself getting to and from the barn (looooong commute!) and going to the little shows to jump the really little jumps and I get a bit down. Last year I showed enough to get a championship in one of our local B series and I pretty much killed my pocketbook. So this year I’m scaling back on the showing and accepting the disadvantages that come with that, namely that it’s hard for me to get in the showing groove without actually, you know, showing.

I constantly think about dropping my lease and going back to lessoning on schoolies. I love them all, but at the lesson price that I’m paying it’s still a lot of money to be spending just to keep my basic skills sharp.

So I eventually get to the point where I consider quitting for awhile, focusing on my career (that is totally outside of horses, BTW) and crossing my fingers that I can come back to this later with a lot more money to throw at it. But I realize I’d miss it so I commit to another month, at least, and somehow never end up dropping my lease. :lol:

First world problem it undoubtedly is, but it is hard to be spending a lot of money on this sport and being very firmly plateaued. I do feel for the OP, although I am extremely envious that she somehow got to the 4 ft!

French Fry, I could hug you right now. What an incredible response. OP - I am so sorry that you are going through pain right now, and I wish I could help. I have no words of wisdom, but I think some of the responses here are really helpful.

As someone who grew up in the Northern Illinois H/J world, I am not sure I agree with all of the opinions you present about the area, but I will leave that be as I don’t know if that is conducive to this thread to start a flamewar on that. There are so many that offered opinions and stories that, in my eyes, are very moving and helpful. I went through a very similar experience to you and would like to share how I got out of feeling disenfranchised and excluded from this sport.

Go remember why you started. We all generally came to this sport with a love for this amazing animal. When I felt at odds with the “H/J culture” two years ago, I quit riding huntseat and rode with an old cowboy-style western trainer who took me on trails and let me run reining patterns on his old horse. Imagine me, someone who has been riding huntseat for 10 years, mucking around on a scrawny buckskin quarter horse. Let me tell you, it was the best thing that I could have ever done.

After 6 months just having fun (and not worrying about A shows, progressing, year-end points, etc.) I was able to come back into the H/J world without the bitterness I had previously. I highly recommend finding the love for the animal that ignited your “love of the sport”, as it will help you realize that all the rest does not matter.

Ok, I am asking a serious question here—

have you really “bonded” with a horse? more then one? do you feel that joy? I ask because it sounds like a piece of the pie is missing. My concern is that with out that, yes, objective goals like showing X height and riding at Y barn seem “bigger”.

I do believe that one can be competitive AND ride the horse with a bond, in fact it makes it extra special. And the beauty of it, not to get all sappy here, is that the day to day enjoyment of THAT horse is payment enough… yes. I do love to show, I want a blue ribbon, and I want good scores. BUT if I could never show I’d still be happy with my horse and the journey.

I fear that you haven’t had those special horses in your life. It didn’t sound like it. I realize that it can be hard with not owning, but as someone who formally leased 7 horses and ride probably 30 lesson type ride horses its still possible to bond short term.

I just saw the comment in the other thread that OTTBs are too strong for the OP. I guess my earlier post won’t be very helpful after all. 9 out of 10 OTTBs I’ve ridden have had the softest mouths of anything I’ve sat on. Taking out of consideration the fact that jumping around 4’ and riding the challenging horses requires a good bit of physical conditioning on the rider’s part, I don’t think the OP can really cut it as a working student with her medical issues. If riding an OTTB is too difficult, then the OP can’t lift hay bales, full water buckets, feed bags, tack trunks, hold a strong horse on the longe, etc. In that case, if you can’t work and can’t pay, then I’m not sure how you can earn the rides you can’t afford to pay for. It’s a demanding sport on the front lines and behind the scenes as many have said.

The end of my earlier post is still true, though. You still have to have the right attitude to earn respect and trust of the one who’d be giving you rides even if you can’t put in all the physical hard work. From the responses here, the attitude needs adjusting. I’m not saying I never felt frustrated or wished I could afford the push button horse when things weren’t going right with whatever mount I had, but the horse business is a political place, and there are many hungry riders, and you can’t let your peers, trainers, or horse owners see you crack. If your trainers are keeping you from progressing because they only accept people who can pay to play, then find someone anywhere else in the country who will give you a chance. And don’t expect to walk right into 4’. It will take time to grow the new relationship and for that person to evaluate your capabilities. And maybe they don’t even have any 4’ horses. That doesn’t mean it won’t be a good opportunity for your education and advancement in the horse world. Just know that it’s still going to be very demanding emotionally and physically if you want that person to continue giving you a chance. If you really want it, it’s hard, and if you come across as entitled to anyone in the real world as you have to several posters here, you aren’t going to make it.

[QUOTE=PaintedHunter;7553099]
As I just related in another thread, I too have had chronic health problems, for about 7 years. While it was frustrating, and anger-inducing, to go through the process to find out what was wrong with me- after not being able to keep food down, losing a lot of weight, joint pain, crazy fatigue, etc. - and then get me on a treatment plan, i’ve found that positive living is the best thing for my psyche and health. People still often shoot me dirty looks for using the handicap stall when there are others waiting for it (when I NEED the bars to hold onto because of joint issues) or taking the elevator for one flight of stairs, or thinking I’m dramatic for saying I can’t do things because of how tired I am… but you learn to let those things go, you know?

As much as chronic illness is awful and life-changing, wallowing in it gets you nowhere. I learned that the hard way. I agree with you that the enjoying horses for what they are is the best medicine, though. That’s why I started taking lessons again a few years ago. And I don’t need a fancy horse to have the therapeutic effects of being around the best therapists on this planet.[/QUOTE]

Is it weird if I feel like I could give you and LS the biggest hug right now? Anthing that is coming off as anger or bitterness in this post really stems from my chronic illnesses. I was angry and bitter when I knew I couldn’t attend a Big 10 school or have the normal college experience everyone else was having. It was devastating and depressing. I have tried to be strong for so long starting at such a young age. It wears you down mentally/emotionally. For people to say I would take my anger out on a horse is uncalled for. I baby every horse I ride and always put its needs before my own…which set me back about another year health wise when I completely DIY’d at a show…but I digress. I think it takes one with health problems, such as yourself as LS, to fully understand that mentality/psyche.

I hope I would be allowed to PM either of you when I need to talk. It would mean a lot. Also, I’m going to PM you with some doctor info that might help you. Always willing to share info I’ve acquirex the hard way with fellow chronic illness patients or others who have “odd conditions.”

I feel like I lost a part of me, as horses have always been my life, one way or another. Who knows…I might start up dressage. I might wait until I can afford a “made” 4’+ horse when I’m in my late 30s. But right now, I think it is best that I stick with the choice I made.

Hugs and healing to both you and LS.

:slight_smile: Of course you can PM me; if I have any advice that might be helpful I would be glad to share (or just listen).

IvyHally - your TB is gorgeous and looks like he’s barely trying over those fences. I hope his recovery progresses quickly and smoothly.

Another idea for the OP - if typical “working student” type chores are not physically do-able for you are there other useful services you might barter? For example, I’ve traded filming lessons, clinics or schooling shows or filming and editing sale videos for lessons, rides, coaching at shows, etc. Things like babysitting, updating website content, posting sale ads on website on behalf of non-tech savvy owners/trainers, creating advertising posters and flyers and posting them at local tack shops, etc. are all things either I or others have done in addition to or instead of typical working student type chores.