The Triple Crown Races 2019

The whole situation is starting to feel like Coburn complaining about fresh horses being allowed in the Belmont to spoil TV tries. Lots of hot air to try to disguise pain. While I can’t blame West for that, the fact that he’s dragging it out on an international level when US racing in general is still smarting from the Santa Anita debacle is irking me more than a little.

The race is done. It’s official. The best way to avenge the loss is to come at Country House in every race he’s entered in and beat the pants off him. Or not. Let it be horse racing.

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I think my comment on “this TC” has been taken abit out of context. When I say this TC I simply mean the chance for one and the 5 weeks that encompasses the Derby, Preakness, and Belmont. That’s all. I know the long drought between Afformed and Pharoah and certainly don’t expect one every year (or awarded one to Omaha Beach??!!) I may not have been clear in my writing. I was simply stating that this TC SEASON has been an interesting one with one thing after another.

Good idea. I would like to see them together too – but, knowing racing, it would not be a match race between those two but perhaps Code of Honor or Omaha Beach or Long Range Toddy or – hopefully! – Tacitus would be up in the front and Country House and Maximum Security would be nowhere.

Because the stewards and objections aren’t JUST there to change the winning order of the race, they’re also to keep things running safely as per the rules of the track/state/organization/etc the race is run under? This is why intent isn’t relevant - if your horse is a horse and freaks out in some unsafe way and breaks the rules, you should get penalized. Otherwise people will just blame everything on the horse being a horse when really they’re not training properly, which leads to worse safety issues. Racing especially cannot afford more safety issues, PARTICULARLY in the big televised races. Sometimes that means you get DQ’d when the horse really WAS just being a horse. That’s the risk of a sport that depends on the cooperation of a critter with a mind of it’s own. Don’t like it, go race cars or motorcycles or something.

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I don’t think the weather was very conducive for the blimp.

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Again, my issue is with who did claim foul. Prat’s claim was frivolous from the get go. Court’s horse pretty much ran true to form, yet he took the opportunity to gain one spot in the finish order with no additional benefit. Gaffalione did get mugged but chose not to complain for the very reasons that I’ve been pushing. If he had then I would be more accepting. The stewards never posted an Inquiry, so would they have even looked at it if no one had objected? They made the call they felt they had to make, but again my issue is in regard as to who put them in that fix.

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Hardly. The horse is now a G1 winner. I would expect nothing less from any rider.

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Maximum Security is aiming for the Haskell next, July 20th. While I am sure some politics go into Mr. Wests decision with skipping the Belmont; I don’t blame them for going with the Haskell. Horse gets a break, and then gets to race in a respected G1 at his home track. I don’t think the Belmont is conducive to his front running style. Seems like a pretty smart decision to me.

I am willing to bet Omaha Beach shows up at the Haskell. Then he will head a little bit north to TOGA to run the Travers. It makes sense. He needs 3 weeks off for his surgery and then they will bring him back into training. He wont be ready for the Belmont in early July so will need an end of July race to set him up for the end of Aug Travers.

So while all the other 3 yr olds are getting burnt out in the TC races, Omaha Beach has found himself a nice little 3 week rest to start off an awesome summer campaign. But he will need to spend some time on the east coast.

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The Belmont is early June not early July so there is no way Omaha Beach will be ready for that.

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A nice 3 week rest? He’s recovering from surgery. You have got to be the person who gets their information from Facebook. There really is no other explanation as to how you arrive at your conclusions.

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Actually the recovery period from this surgery is about three weeks. Had it many times over the years. That doesn’t mean they are ready to race in 3 weeks though. He will probably start back with some tack walking then jog or pony for a bit before galloping.

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But Prat’s claim was disallowed as well it should have been. He’s a G1 winner because of Jon Court, not due to anything that happened to his horse.

Like always, Steve comes through with the best summation I have seen of this fiasco so far. Excellent piece.
http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/horse-racing-steve-haskin/archive/2019/05/07/derby-deprived-of-one-of-its-greatest-stories.aspx?fbclid=IwAR2WRiQc00usd_QhsEzXbetUdA1KLKaE6Qv5JROw-cWVywyF7cxtDAimvD8

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That’s what I meant. Re-reading my post I wasn’t clear. I wouldn’t call 3 week recovery time a nice rest.

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Maybe Pratt’s a quick thinker on his feet but in some of his post race interviews he said that County House wasn’t interfered with but that Maximum Security did interfere with others and he wanted the interference reviewed.

Wonder if Pratt would have objected if the inquiry sign had been lit??? :slight_smile: (yup, me again on inquiry vs objection :wink: ).

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I actually think the biggest issue with this whole thing is the lack of an inquiry. Sometimes the path you take to a destination does matter even if you end up in the same place. They owed it to everyone to take the onus off the jocks so I agree with you WMW although none of that matters now.

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Not sure why you are trying to turn this into an argument, Prat only needed the winner to come down, he did not need to have the stewards uphold his claim. He rode an excellent race, just got beat by a better horse.

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Thank you for that link, @Laurierace . I especially like this (from the Steve Haskin wrote and Laurie linked in post #550):

But what they should do is acknowledge that this was the Kentucky Derby, with its huge field and often becoming a bumper car race where far more egregious events have occurred with no action taken. With this decision they have turned the Derby, at least this year’s, into a race like any other that will have a profound effect on future Derbys, with a likely influx of foul claims for any kind of infraction, whether minor or major.

His statement about “far more egregious events have occurred with no action taken” is the point I was making citing Genuine Risk and Codex in the Preakness far upthread. Not that two (or more) wrongs make a right, as Laurie questioned (but after all who says any of those other decisions were right or wrong - that’s not the point, the point is that they were the precedents) – i.e., the precedent of how the rules of racing have been applied in the TC races in the past has been that, again as Steve Haskin put it, far more egregious things have occurred with no setdowns.

I also feel like the observation that WoW ran up MS’s butt – and that contributed to the situation, or perhaps was a separate foul of its own (???) has a lot of merit, but I understand that different people will look at the same things and interpret them very differently.

In questioning MS’s setdown I am not, as some have outright said in this thread, uncaring of safety for jockeys, horses, and all involved. My concern is that I DO worry this decision somehow seemed fundamentally to be in a different direction or spirit than such decisions have been in the past (again, reference the other incidents that have been given as examples in this thread). It feels to me like a bit of a sea change in interpretation of the rules, and the lack of inquiry and the source of the objection and so on all plays into this feeling.

And I could not agree more strongly with Haskin’s statement about influx of foul claims – that was also a point I was trying to make upthread, though I’m sure I was nowhere near as clear or eloquent. Carried to an extreme, racing could become more about adjudication than who crosses the finish line first.

Again, that doesn’t mean I’m blase about human and horse safety! I just hate how this race has left me feeling, at least for now, about the Derby, the other TC races, racing in general, just ugh. I hate that the almost-pileup occurred, I hate that MS’s efforts did not result in an official win, I admire WoW for staying on his feet – but overall, the whole situation just casts a pall imo. And that worries me for racing. But that’s just me.

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yes, in 3 weeks he can resume to start weaning back into work. As Laurie B noted, he will likely come back walking, then jogging, building up strength and ultimately a return to breezing and then race.

You equated recovering from surgery with randomly deciding not to run in the Preakness or Belmont. That was my issue. Laurierace explained the rehab process not Laurie B.

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