The Triple Crown Races 2019

I saw a good interview about this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRu0x2hzSks

I’m kinda with Bob Baffert on this. While I don’t believe that the Kentucky Derby should be governed by different rules than any other race, I do believe that Country House’s people should have kept their mouths shut and been grown-ups. They got the money, but Country House will never get the glory. He got into the country club, but his connections did not deserve it. And I think he is a good horse, better than some people are saying. Anytime such a longshot can hang on for a mile and a quarter and come in second out of such a big field, that longshot is a good horse.

I think that the stewards’ decision has done history no favors, the Derby no favors, and, therefore, has done horse racing no good. Walter Farley said it decades ago, in one of his books, “Anything can happen in the Derby.” It is run in early May. It is a race for 3-year-old babies. It is a rough n’ tumble event. I think CH’s people should have just put their big-boy britches on and let it go. And the stewards could have been good cops and said “Let this be a warning to all. Try not to let it happen again.”

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I disagree about Omaha Beach. Country House, however, has gotten “a nice little rest” that has gotten him out of the Preakness and maybe the Belmont. I want the best for him as I do for any other horse. But I’m not buying the “cough” story. Too much like Omaha Beach’s all-too-believable (sadly) cough.

I read posts where people say that there was no hold for WoW to move into. I wonder about that. Because:

There is not a jocky in the race who is:

a) Suicidal
b) a slouch at their job
c) inexperienced

I believe that the riders were all pretty experienced and good at their game. I don’t accept any premise that Tyler was suicidal in attempting to move into a hole that wasn’t there. That would be the sort of mistake that wouldn’t be worthy of the skill and level of riding these people play at. I think there was a hole, and it closed just as quickly as a horse can spook. We all know how fast that can be.

I wish the blimp had been filming.

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Denali; he cant run in the Preakness or the Belmont because of his surgery. after the time off and the working back into fitness; he will not be able to race in either.

I don’t believe the story on Country House’s cough either. Mott loves telling stories these last 2 weeks. Hes afraid. And his horse “won the derby” by luck. Now that the derby is over I am willing to bet we don’t see much of Country House ever again. He is a nice looking horse and he’s well bred, and I like him on the gallop around the track. But lets be honest; he isn’t the second coming of the all time greats. I hope he proves me wrong. We shall see. I wouldn’t be surprised if he never steps foot on a track again. take the money and run.

I think Omaha Beach’s story is legit. I mean, they posted his surgery video online for the world to see. And I think he had the condition for some time; it just was at its worst last week.

Expect Omaha Beach to come back to the big races later this summer. Country House will disappear to a stud farm and if he doesn’t probably overseas like AK, and if he doesn’t; he will be a hard trier to hit the board.

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It will be interesting to see who sends out their horses to the Derby in 2020 if they think that their horse could be disqualified for being a horse at some point during the race.

I’m thinking also about the horses (particularly a couple I’ve seen recently at Ascot) that fought so long over going into the starting gate that it must have affected the others who were already loaded and waiting. There is an old expression about horses who “run their race in the starting gate” through nerves and impatience – don’t they have a right to claim foul against a horse who makes them wait so long?

Where does the foul-calling stop? (And yes, I know UK racing has different rules about this than the US races do.)

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Country House won the race by default and by protests, but he did not come in second by luck. I think he is a good horse and I would like to see him in the Belmont. For all I know, given another 440 yards, he might have caught Maximum Security, who might have run out of steam in that last quarter-mile if the Derby were the Belmont. That is what makes the Belmont, the older race, the true classic. The Derby was originally 1 1/2 miles, just like its namesake the Epsom Derby. I don’t remember why they later shortened it, maybe because it is run so much earlier in the year.

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Yes. This.

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I am aware it’s due to surgery. That’s why I disagree with you on it being a “nice rest.”

Your disdain for Mott and Country House is glaringly obvious. Who said he was the second coming? No one.

@Rackonteur brings up a good point about the length of the race, maybe he would have beat out MS on a longer track.

Maybe I am disagreeable because the correct call was made despite who pushed the issue. Does it suck? Sure. To demonize the jockeys and stewards for holding up the rules is just crazy. Especially from someone who demonizes racing and trainers in general. I mean, you want more enforcement for the rules in racing right? Or is it just the rules you agree with?

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Just talking horses and racing. No intentions of this being an argument.

https://www.horseracingnation.com/news/Watch_New_video_key_to_Maximum_Security_s_Kentucky_Derby_appeal_123

He’s not going to lose much fitness in 3 weeks, they don’t want him to compromise the surgery site. It has nothing to do with “building up strength.”

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This is the most bizarre post ever.

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They issued that warning before the race. And they are doing their jobs and upholding the rules and the integrity of the sport. There are no special rules for the Derby.

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Here is a timeline of what happened:

"Marc Guilfoil, executive director of the Kentucky Horse Racing Commission, when asked about the timeline of Prat’s objection, relayed a series of text messages to the Paulick Report from chief steward Barbara Borden.

They read:

“Outrider Lee Lockwood confirmed that he was the one who relayed the claim of foul to us by radio while the horses were still on the backside. He says that Prat pulled up and turned around, found him and said that (either the winner, or number 7—he wasn’t sure which he said) came out on the turn and that he wanted to claim foul.

“We had not yet started to review the video but rather were selecting the horses to send to the test barn when we got the radio transmission, and posted the objection on the board.” "

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/triple-crown/kentucky-steward-prat-foul-claim-came-after-horses-pulled-up-on-backside/

Quit complaining about what? West is who needs to pull on his big-boy britches. Country House’s jock did his job including lodging the objection.

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Umm… every race, every day, owners/trainers send out their horses to race with the possibility that the horse will be set down for ‘being a horse’. :rolleyes:

Owners/trainers/jockeys don’t get to write the rules about what may be a foul and what may not be a foul. There are fairly well defined, albeit subjective at times, guidelines for what constitutes a foul.

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I think they need to start that video earlier. He was inside the tire track and moved outside the tire track. And who measured the tire track to make sure it’s equidistant from the rail all the way around? It was made by the tractor driver, and going around a turn you routinely make small corrections.

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Count me in on those curious to see how Country House would have faired if the race was 1/4 mile longer and maybe a slightly smaller field. Could he have gotten by Maximum Security? We might never know as I suspect many of the better horses in the Derby will meet again in the summer racing season (Omaha Beach, Game Winner, Roadster, Improbable, etc)

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https://www.paulickreport.com/news/triple-crown/west-plans-lawsuit-war-of-will-actually-caused-the-infraction-not-our-horse/

This has an interesting frame by frame slo mo shot.

So MS connections now saying War of Will caused the whole problem?

Hmmm.

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One thing I have learned in the last few years is that I feel very sorry for owners. That’s plural. I’m not referring to the Wests or this specific situation. But it seems like if any owner has anything physical go wrong with their horse, cue up the whole string of internet strangers trying to figure out “the REAL story” and doubting it. You practically need to submit open vet records to every newspaper in America to be believed that your horse has a problem.

Most of us have horses and have worked around them a while. We know how easily, how quickly, how inconveniently, and how stupidly they can hurt themselves or develop an illness. Why is it that we are skeptical as default reaction when someone big’s horse does likewise?

Am I saying that no owners have ever inflated vet reports for ulterior motives? No. I’m just saying that unless we are in that barn and seeing the records, we don’t know. I at least prefer to give folks the benefit of the doubt on a physical equine issue unless and until proven otherwise, because horses really ARE fragile creatures, and they really DO seem to go wrong right before the big event/show/day with maddening frequency.

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