This needs to be across the country

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Seriously? Under 32F? No.

Lots of LGDs are perfectly happy outside for hours in that temperature, and lots and lots of dogs have very safe unheated dog boxes that are appropriate in winter. I know a lot of people that use them for hunting dogs in kennels - they windproof, insulated and heavily bedded. Definitely more than appropriate for a lot of working breeds designed for cold climates.

Offering a heavily coated LGD a heated dog house might make them stay outside in the cold instead.

I’m pretty sure I’ve left my Brittanys outside in <32F by themselves for more than 30 minutes before and they are not considered heavily coated dogs. 32F is just not that cold for lots of northern climates. We’re thrilled when it’s 32F in February here in NY. It’s like summer!

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I’ve been owned by two Brits- one red and white, and the other liver and white. I adored them! Now, I am an ESS girl, but I have rescues. One is a tri-colored ESS, and the other is a cattle dog mix. Both have coats.

I would far rather err on the side of caution, and make people protect their pets from the weather, than not. Then again, I am no fan of anyone who thinks that it is OK to have a dog live their life tied out in a yard.

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That seems very poorly planned/written. I predict you’ll see owners adding dangerous heat sources like heat lamps so that the dogs can stay outside, huge fire risk.

Ontario is currently reaching out to citizens to reevaluate our provincial laws with regards to animals that live primarily outdoors. As of right now owners are required to provide an an insulated dog house, but no heat source is required.

I don’t personally know anyone who keeps their dogs outside 24/7. I have some friends who race sled dogs. They have their kennel set up so the dogs are in a garage with attached outdoor runs.

I have an Aussie x Bernese. It would be far more dangerous for me to leave her out when it’s +30C vs -30C. I put booties on her and we shorten the outside time when it’s colder than -20C (-5f), but she would be perfectly happy staying out far longer than I.
Saying that, obviously a dog that isn’t acclimated, or one with a shorter coat would struggle more in cold weather.

I would hope that whoever is enforcing these laws can use some common sense. Showing up to find a big floofy dog lounging in the snow is not the same as finding a little chi standing on three legs shivering.

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I am sorry but I can’t support this thinking. My dogs are in the house now but we had dogs that didn’t want to be inside no matter what the weather. They had a well bedded hay pile in the barn and were happy as can be.

Common sense is all you need, not laws that control owners who treat their dogs right.

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I guess I’d be in jail a lot of I lived there with my LGD. He can’t stand being in the house when the heat is on, and he’s absolutely jubilant when it’s cold and snowy :woman_shrugging:

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It’s too bad that common sense is so uncommon.

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So very true

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My old Aussie would hate it…he loved nothing more than lying in the snowbank watching ‘His’ horses, chickens, and road. Inside the house, he always found the spot farthest from the woods stove (house was solar/wood stove heat), which either meant the draft on the tile floor entry or the cold, cold, north wall under the piano. Like other posters, cruelty for him would have been leaving him outside on a sunny, 80 plus day, even with shade.
Never mind the guardian dogs, the sled dogs, etc.
I suppose the only good thing in that law is that you don’t have to confine the dog to the heated dog house!
Common sense cannot be created by laws…

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Yeah, this is a nope. I have a friend with 2 Huskies that came from Alaska. They spent 2 days outside in a snowbank and the neighbors called Animal Control. They had a dog door that was accessible, food, water, and a heated doghouse… they CHOSE to dig a hole in the snowbank and spend their time laying in there or running and jumping in the bank on the other side of the yard. Happy dogs.

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This is why animal welfare laws scare the crap out me. They are generally written by idiots. Well-meaning idiots, but still idiots. I blame Walt Disney.

Most dogs are not that fragile. My mother’s Chihuahua cross is quite happy to be outside for a half hour or more at 32F or colder. My Siamese cat will spend a half hour outside on a sunny 30 degree day with no issue.

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I blame PETA.

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When I was a kid, I thought PETA was great… then they got more and more radical and irrational. If it were up to them, I think they would have us all set every animal free and not have any rules, any barriers to keep them safe, just let them all go free and not have to have any contact with people. It’s nutty.

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They’re written for idiots, like the guy around the corner with his pittie chained up outside in temps much lower than 32. While we have a similar law here in NY.

Wanna blame someone for this, blame a$$hats like that for the need for this kind of law.

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Nah, I think they’d euthanize them all. They already do all the ones they get their hands on.

The only way laws like this would be fair is if you could get an exemption for true winter breeds/types. Which would be a pain.

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That’s the issue. The people who are on here aren’t the problem. But, there are too many people who just do not give a damn.

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Probably. I think PETA cares more about telling people what to do with their animals than they care about animals.

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There are already enough laws in place to help those animals, but no one does anything.
Yet go ahead & write up more asinine laws that will only punish those that don’t need it :face_with_symbols_over_mouth:

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