This Pedigree for Sport & Soundness (Can Unbridled's Song be outweighed?)

[weixiao]

http://www.pedigreequery.com/los+caobos2

By Even the Score who is by Unbridled’s Song. I know Unbridled’s Song is not necessarily know for soundness. I haven’t found a lot of information about foals by Even the Score for sport.

I know Blushing Groom is nice to see and is top and bottom. I’ve read good things about Capote, but haven’t found much on Awesome Again. He doesn’t have many starts, but was obviously very successful.

The dam never ran.

The horse has an odd 3 year break in his race history. I was told by someone who doesn’t have a stake in it that their understanding was that he came up from Florida and just never really did anything. Legs are clean and jogs sound right now. Not sure how concerned I should be.

[vineyridge]

Simkie has a young filly by Even The Score. You might PM her.

[beowulf]

It has as much to do with WHO Unbridled’s Song is paired with.

[CrowneDragon]

I have also heard a few people say that the Unbridled’s Songs are just late to mature, and seem to have issues if they are pushed when they are young.

[EventerAJ]

If he’s sound as a 6-year-old and passes a vet, UBS is irrelevant.

Most of the UBS “good ones” run too fast for their fragile growing bodies and suffer injuries at 2-3. UBS was a big-bodied horse on relatively smallish legs. Those that are proportional, show more dam’s influence, or prove their soundness at maturity should be considered just as any other OTTB.

[Simkie]

To expand on the response I sent via PM:

Even the Score was fairly durable himself and from a durable dam line.

My filly was very mature looking quite young and has always been very tractable. I can totally see how people could could push these horses too hard very young. I would not worry overly about US through Even the Score in a sound six year old horse with no glaring conformation faults.

There are several pictures of my filly here (she’s the dark grey): http://s155.photobucket.com/user/simkie/library/Oct%2026%202013%20Horse%20Pics?sort=6&page=1

And there’s video around here somewhere…ah, here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRLl05s_944

That’s her third ride or so.

[LaurieB]

Just an FYI: Even the Score made 29 starts (9 wins, 1 second, 9 thirds). He ran at ages 3-6, competing at the very highest levels. He was a sound horse.

I’m a big believer in judging the horse that’s standing in front of you rather than pulling famous names out of a pedigree several generations back and attributing traits that may or may not be present in the horse you actually see. But if pedigree is all-important to you, check out the sire, not the grand-sire. :yes:

[summerly]

For what it’s worth, I know ETS, saw him daily training as a racehorse, my BFF loves him to pieces and she worked for his first trainer before he went to Cali, he was then a very sound, loveable, gorgeous dude with a ton of personality and a great work/ race ethic! To this day she has him plastered on her Facebook cover!

[weixiao]

Thanks for the info guys. I don’t really worry that much about pedigree. The TB pedigree is very new to me as well, so some of it is as a learning thing. If I get this guy, it will likely be sight unseen so I was just curious to get some sort of baseline info. Obviously, the horse in front of you is what matters most, but I just have a photo and a short video in front of me.

Simkie, your mare is lovely!

[Laurierace]

If the dam was unraced with that pedigree it is safe to say she was unsound herself. I do agree that you just vet the horse in front of you and don’t worry about the pedigree at this point.

[Simkie]

Looking further at the dam and progeny: this gelding’s full sibling sister, Awe So Beautiful, was listed in the CANTER Suffolk listings. Perhaps they still have some pictures of her–I thought she was quite lovely. Not sure where she wound up.

summerly, love to hear about Even the Score! My filly is VERY easy, very willing and on the lazy side. Don’t think she would have made a racehorse, as she’s not even willing to “race” my other horses in the field!

[Lord_Helpus]

I agree that the horse in front of you is the important factor in determining soundness. That said, a vet is not hired to analyze confomation; he can only judge the horse’s soundness before him on that day.

If you are serious about pursuing this horse, I would ask someone who knows conformation well to give you an assessment of whether his legs have features which might cause him not to hold up to hard work.

US does not throw unsoundness. What he passes down are conformation defects which makes a horse prone to unsoundness. Keep in mind that the majority of US’s get remain sound. It is the talented ones who cannot withstand training which make the news.

[fire_911medic]

I have had several unbridled line horses including two by unbridled song. I will agree they are late to mature. All of mine hit growth spurts at four. They really shouldn’t be running at two but that is a personal opinion. That line generally had issues racing wise but I have found held up just they tend to stay sound for sport. Second stride has had many unbridled line and I’m sure would be happy to talk to you about them. In general in have found them to have strong work ethics. I have not had soundness issues with mine but also I have given them time to mature so I know they will hold up better. I agree strongly with the statement of who he is mated to. The dams have a strong influence. I crossed to several old style heavier thoroughbreds with that line and didn’t have much issue. The one horse that was injured was hurt due to someone’s stupidity fairly certain not due to the breeding. He came back fine and is a sound successful sport horse.

Awesome again is a nice minded guy. I looked at a couple babies by him and I haven’t heard much with soundness issues but most of my experience with his have been younger. Hope that helps.

[Simkie]

Saw on FB that he is on his way to Ohio–were you able to snatch him up, weixiao?

[crosscreeksh]

We now own a son of Unbridled’s Song out of an AP Indy mare. He has grown and developed a great deal from 3 to 5 and is now a stunning dark brown with sabino chrome markings, 16.3h and is VERY sound!! His first foals start arriving in mid April…then we will see what he can produce.

[Simkie]

I’m excited to hear about late bloomers. While my filly looked pretty grown up at 2, we expected about another hand of height out of her that hasn’t materialized. She’s still leggy, so I think she’ll wind up close to 17 hands, but it’s been a waiting game to see her actually GROW!

[weixiao]

No, not me. Trainer never called me back or answered any messages yesterday. Finally heard from him early afternoon after the trailer I had hoped to put this guy on had already left this morning. He said I could come and get him so I scrambled to try and find a trailer and told the trainer I’d get him tonight or tomorrow. Less than 20 minutes later I heard from someone else that he’d just put the horse on someone else’s trailer. Super bummed.