This poster is always focused on Tevis when an issue comes up in Eventing.
For the record, Tevis horses have more vet involvement then any other sport, there are many other 100 mile rides, and the trail was rerouted to prevent any issues in the future. Horses have ran that race for a long time without a major incident like this. It is an unfortunate incident but I don’t know why it gets brought up when there’s an issue in eventing.
@Heinz_57 but can you ride your way out of a paper bag? If you can’t produce video evidence of your world class awesomeness in the saddle, just hush.
/s/
I can’t stand Stubben for this reason. Their “certified” saddle fitters aren’t that, they’re salespeople. You basically go to a course for like a week and suddenly you’re “qualified” to fit saddles. 
Compare that with Society of Master Saddlers, where it’s a minimum of two years.
I mean that’s not just a Stubben issue though, Devoucoux and CWD do the same shit
2022 tevis killed 2, 2024 they killed 2. It was not an isolated incident. You can see their quoted statement about the trail dangers and “unfortunate” equine reactions.
Who knows how many will die this year. They don’t report the historical data accurately, so outside of deep-digging the information on fatalities is not available.
But while we plebs get to comment on eventing here, God forbid someone mention that a 100 mile ride on dicey trails is a bad idea, unless they’ve done it. I guess the vet presence provides guard rails or something? Not sure what their presence did the save the lives of the 4 horses lost.
Frankly, all top level horse sport is gross at this point, not just eventing It’s not about the animal- it never has been. The things done to the horses in show jumping, the poling, the pinch boots, the drugging of hunters, riding horses 100 miles straight, futurities using them up and spitting them out, western events legalizing the use of sedatives, blue tongues. I’m just done with upper level sport. It does not serve the horse.
True true. And Voltaire – a dad of a student at my barn became a rep literally overnight, despite not being a rider himself. 
good comment! And Phantom jumped SJ beautifully the next day.
Is there any one you can contact about the animals in their “care”?
Yes well that’s the coth way
Nope, I definitely can’t. 
Somebody keeps stapling the bag shut.
I was never destined for 5* greatness, like most I’m way too poor and un-connected for that.
In all seriousness, I think horse sports have come a long way in their prioritization of horse welfare over the last decade or so, but there is maybe still a ways to go.
It sure is. I pop on here periodically to see if anything has changed. Nope
https://www.chronofhorse.com/article/klugman-bockmann-receive-fei-sanctions-after-kentucky/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR6We__20qhim7vxAKDpWDo9kcVk1eTr2Id_w6pTBk165geblepkkYXbKTiy9A_aem_DibBcx44yBOAdh1-diLvuA Update: CB given “dangerous riding” penalty, Ema Klugman given yellow card for “excessive use of whip/spurs”.
Oh I get it, you’re equating having compassion with being uneducated. Noted.
Well, then, I pray I remain uneducated for the rest of my life.
I’ve already seen backlash saying the yellow card is a response to internet anger and not actual dangerous riding.
Which I don’t think is true at all, I am sure the officials were discussing these incidents as they happened. I imagine there was significant debate before the yellow card was issued.
So…which is it. Is internet backlash going to be what kills eventing and the official’s response to card these riders was totally wrong, or did we have a slow but necessary response that will keep our sport safe by issuing feedback to suspect incidents.
I feel like the penalty is kind of pointless this late after. The issue I see with his fall/not fall is the horse fell on its face. That horse could have been pretty seriously injured from that without it being obvious from a neck injury. Neck injuries can be a ticking time bomb… the horse could have jumped a few more jumps and then collapsed.
I’ve unfortunately known two horses who had neck/brain injuries who seemed fine for a bit after and then collapsed and died. One of them reared up and hit its head, made it another few minutes into the barn (seeming fine) and then died. The other essentially broke its neck running into a fence but because the spinal cord wasn’t severed it walked for a few seconds before death. It is possible the rider didn’t even know the horse had faceplanted. I don’t blame the rider, I blame the show staff for not pulling him up to check them.
I don’t disagree that the horse should have been stopped, but I think a penalty like this will make a rider with a similar incident think about it in the future and maybe take some trot steps.
Using horses poorly can happen at ANY level and at no level at all. There’s a completely unregulated bush-league horse track not a mile from me through the woods. God only knows what those horses are put through to win. That’s not top sport, not by a country mile. Think about the utter crap poorly trained ____horses and _____ horses and god forbid, ____ horses. See? There’s gross everywhere, why the blanket condemnation of just highest-level? Why is it even more gross than some gross jerk riding his fat, out of condition horse on a 20 mile road-ride in August only to have it colic and die that night?
So yesterday I went through and watched the replay of Calvin’s round. It was interesting to go back and get more of the full context of his ride. This is a phenomenally athletic horse and brave horse with an equally brave rider. Scope is not an issue. That said, he seemed to come to most of the fences out of balance and somewhat with no brakes, with Calvin yanking on his face. He would then take off from an awkward spot, throwing himself in the air, often pecking on landing or landing so hard that Calvin would be thrown forward out of the saddle on landing.
Sinead and Jon were gasping nearly the entire round. At one point they both agreed that the horse had such a big heart and was so bold that he needed to “be protected a little” out there. Toward the end, Sinead literally said the horse wasn’t adjustable and was ending up at a big gap or underneath the fences.
So given all that and the incident at the Hollow, not surprised at the warning he received at all and I think it has nothing to do with public outrage.
So very very true.
There has been some positive changes over my lifetime in the horse world, but by far and large, Ego continues to overshadow Ethics. Its very rare that I see a “horse first” mentality.
They are both wrong. And both need to be stopped.
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