Let’s talk TB pedigrees… Anyone want to share thoughts on common stallions and what they tend to pass?
For example…
*Storm Cat–I’ve always heard/experienced the Cat horses can be on the difficult side temperament-wise.
Anyone else? Would love to hear your opinions! Could be fun!
Yes I guess you could term SC as difficult, more quirky and tricky. What made SC the sire he was is that those tricky difficult horses tried their hearts out. If they liked what they were doing you had a serious racehorse. And I will add athletic to that mix! Maybe not as required in sports but they had serious moves! Inherited wind issues as well. Again, they’d run through that if they had to. Mostly threw QH types but now and again you’d get a Sharp Cat type.
I loved the Gone West’s. They were always straight forward and quite a few had beautiful movement. Also loved Danzig’s as well.
I know everyone on here love’s Seattle Slew’s and I did get on some nice ones, but 2 of the meanest horse’s I ever saw were by SS. I saw one get a girl on the ground coming back from the track and proceed to savage her. Gelded the very next day. The other one was a very similar incident but it was at the farm in a round pen. That one was trying to get the rider off by reaching around with his mouth wide open. I liked Slew fillies because they had beautiful movement and were very straight forward. The colts could get very tough. But many of them had big huge strides so an easy gallop was quicker than a normal horse. The last one I galloped, Scorpion, you knew in the first stride how it was gonna go. And you just sat. You did not move a cm. He was a real easy gallop in the dark!
Deputy Minister line was pretty solid. But they aren’t known for sport. But there was never a clear cut type with them build wise. All over the map.
Terri
Would anyone comment on what Boundary has thrown ?
There’s talk of Halo throwing a bad temperament, he was a pretty bad a$$ horse of his own apparently. However, my guy (sire’s sire is Halo) is pretty easy going, anyone can handle type. Although, I do find a little bit of a 'tude when really pressured to do something new and you don’t ask for it nicely, nothing obscene, but we’ve had our fair share of “arguments” undersaddle!
I could say the same regarding my neighbor’s SC gelding, he is a warhorse with 77 races, now retired. Did have a bit of a spin when she started re-training him, but I wouldn’t consider that solely because of his pedigree. Total loveball on the ground once he had the winter off. The wind issue popped up in this guy, yet kept on winning/running. He had laser surgery this fall and is doing much better.
Some of my favorite lines are Seattle Slew, Mr Prospector, Star de Naskra, Pleasant Colony and Storm Cat. I could add Hail To Reason, Hoist The Flag, Private Account, Gone West and about a few dozen more!
Oh my Storm Cats have had tons of personality, Star de Naskra’s are tough as nails and thick skined but yet princess like all at the same time…My Seattle Slews are my FAVORITE…they tend to be graceful and beautiful, with a ton of heart…
I have a 2 year old 16 hand filly right now that is also double reg. as a paint…She is Seatle Slew on the bottom and Mr Prospector on top with Star de Naskra mixed in there as well…She has the brain of a much older, mature horse. She is large boned, a 10 mover, has a free jump form that give you goose bumps and is a QUIET sweetheart.
My 3 year old is by Bachelor Blues (Smoke Glacken sp?)…He is a TANK and moves like a HUGE warmblood. Again has a brain to die for and jumps and moves AMAZING!
And my yearling is out of a daughter of Star de Naskra by Safe In The USA…and she is a pistal! But she will work for you until she has no more to give and learns and remembers EVERYTHING.
I could go on and on about the show horses we have had in the past…my AO hunter was a Seatle Slew son, my daughters children’s hunters were either Storm Cat grandchildren or Seatle Slew bred, and her junior hunter was a grandson of Storm Cat on the top and Pleasant Colony on the bottom.
So many bloodlines and each of us has favorites 
I’m not a fan of inbreeding to Nasrullah
I’ve had several racehorse folk tell me that Nasrullah was big, good-looking and athletic, and he tended to pass that on, but he was also hot and had degenerative hock disease, which he also tended to pass on. His son Bold Ruler was arthritic and so were a lot of Bold Ruler foals. Nasrullah once in a pedigree is ok with me, but I don’t like to see 2 or more lines to him unless it’s waaay back there.
Well, lucky for you Sukey, you aren’t going to find Nasrullah up close these days.
I have to disagree with you however.
I love Nasrullah, and am happy to see him in the pedigrees of horses in my breeding program.
I’ve always heard that Sir Gaylord (or rather his sire Turn To) and Raja Baba threw very sensible babies, and I have to admit that my mare is very sensible.
But I don’t know much about it.
I love my A.P. Indys. They’ve got the temperment, brains, talent and they are joy to have around. I have a whole barn full of them
i personally bred the buck lines, silver buck,buckaroo,buckpasser. i just sold a storm cat grandson and a storm cat great grand son. one qh type,grey,sweet as they come,quiet,lazy. the other is 16.3 black beautiful mover but a little worried. nothing bad. w/t/c and jumping small jumps after about 3 weeks here. took right to it. there are certain lines people won’t touch, and everyone is different.
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I love my A.P. Indys. They’ve got the temperment, brains, talent and they are joy to have around. I have a whole barn full of them :)[/QUOTE]
lucky you CHSat! - I love A.P. Indy.
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I’ve always heard that Sir Gaylord (or rather his sire Turn To) and Raja Baba threw very sensible babies, and I have to admit that my mare is very sensible.
But I don’t know much about it.[/QUOTE]
I can’t claim where the good temperament comes from, but I have two full siblings, A Fine Romance and his sister - both with wonderful, sensible ‘spookless’ temperaments. Their granddam Gay Missile is by Sir Gaylord and is a 1/2 sister to Raja Baba.
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I love my A.P. Indys. They’ve got the temperment, brains, talent and they are joy to have around. I have a whole barn full of them :)[/QUOTE]
I just got a A.P Indy horse the other day from the track… Indys Spell, so far I love him, so easy to be around…
easy going hunters.
love that line.
Turn to is the reason I can’t seem to tear myself away from wanting to use Roc USA with Swain in 2012.
My other loves are A Fine Romance and Jaguar Mail.
A Fine Romance
Turn to in the mare side of his sire
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/a+fine+romance
Jagura Mail
Turn to in the top side of his sire
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/jaguar+mail
Roc USA
Turn to in the bottom side of his dam
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/roc+usa
My lovely TBs dam (sold him as a show hunter)
Turn to in top side of dam
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/marketing+mix
If I wasn’t looking for a hunter I’d go Jaguar Mail all the way. : )
I think there are some traits that are similar over generations and some that are flukes. I only say this based on my own personal experience.
I have a coming 24 year old from the Bold Ruler line. Never been unsound a day in his life, is boss of the herd and runs around still like a 2 year old. He tends to brain fart and bolt before thinking though when something unsettles him.
I had a multiple stakes placed racer from the Seattle Slew line. He was still racing and winning at the age of 10. They retired him to me before he broke down. He had the funniest personality and would groan when he got in trouble for something. I retrained him for dressage. He used to dote on my young daughter. He was never mean at all. - Now, my good friend was trampled and savaged by a Seattle Slew line stallion. His owners had him put down immediately after that. He was known for his nasty temperament.
For a short time I had a jumper by Storm Cat. HATED that horse. He is the first and only horse I ever truly hated. He was aggressive and mean towards people. He would bite and throw you down for no reason. The tension in my barn with that horse was horrible. I gave him a few months and sent him back to where I had gotten him from. Winning in the jumper ring wasn’t worth it.
I have a mare from the Halo line (ie my name here). She is the most easy going horse. She was the easiest to retrain from the track. She “thinks” about things, but doesn’t bolt or get stupid. She has passed that good mind on to her son as well.
A final OTTB I had was by Mangaki. AMAZING horse. He mentally couldn’t handle the track so they sold him from it and I bought him. Once he calmed down, he was the easiest horse with so much potential. He used to race my Bold Ruler boy up and down the pasture, and he’d slow down so the Bold Ruler guy could catch up, then take off again. So much character. Unfortunately he broke his shoulder in a pasture accident and was put down 2 weeks after competing at his first jumping show and bringing home his ribbons. He was my dream horse.
I think it’s time for a game of “Three races at random”… anyone wanna play?
Here we go… first roll of the dice, the 4th race at Aqueduct tomorrow (Friday, Dec30th). 3yo and up, going 6f on the inner dirt. Including the AEs there is a total of 16 horses entered. 14 of those horses are decended from Turn-To, many with multiple lines.
Let’s go out to the west coast. The last race on the card at sunny Santa Anita, for 2yos (almost 3!!) going a a little over a lap of the main track. 12 babies entered, and 10 of them descended from Turn-to.
How about a trip overseas? The 2:20 at Taunton, in jolly olde Englande, a 2mile novice hurdle. 14 runners entered. Of those 14, 10 are descended from Turn-to (interestingly, the French and German breds seem to be less likely to carry T-T, though the AQPS runner did have his daddy, RC).
Seeing as we are on a roll, let’s head on down to the Southern Hemisphere… to the city of good airs, Buenas Aires. The 5th race on the card at San Isidro, a race for 3yos going 1400 metres (that’s 7f for the metric disinclined) on the grass (or “Cesped” as the Argies call it). 14 runners, 12 of whom are descended from the big T-T.
We could go to Japan, but what would be the point? Thanks to Sunday Silence anything with four legs on that island is tail male to T-To
So, we have a random sampling of 56 TBs, from four race tracks, in three countries on three different continents, from 2yos to older horses, going from 6f to over two miles, on dirt, grass and over hurdles. Of that 56 horses, 46 (82%) are decended from Turn-to, many of them through multiple lines.
I have to chime in: it takes evaluating the horse unless you are looking for a broodmare. Why? because I have now the most delightful, wonderful, sweet, Storm Cat grandson. By “Tale of the Cat” - and he is grandson of Mr Prospector on dam side and dang if Mr P not also in Tale of the Cat.
Reading through multiple threads I almost said " foggeddah about it" I am so glad I didn’t do that!
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